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  • This is better than we could have hoped for.
  • Seems like the best outcome possible.

    What a tragic few days.
  • edited January 2015
    Shame the brothers couldnt have lived... Going to "Paradise" is exactly what they'd have wanted most like.

    Should have captured them alive and should have made their lives hell
  • Still not sure if there are any casualties in the supermarket. But the paramedics appear to be helping someone.
  • red_murph said:

    Seems like the best outcome possible.

    What a tragic few days.

    Sky reporting that 4 hostages have died.

    RIP
  • Sorry but the bible was not "updated" with the new testament.

    It was added to.

    The old testament is still there and as much a part of the bible as the old testament which is why you know the story of David and Goliath and most likely lots of other old testament stories and phrases such as moses, parting the red sea, genesis, sodom and gomorrah, etc etc.

    The definitive answer you are looking for it that the bible as we have it today ie old and new was agreed at the council of Nicaea in AD 325.

    So centuries before the Koran which was put together in AD 653-656. The Koran drew on the bible and some of its teachings

    Jesus, who lived and died a devout Jew remember and was seen as a fulfilment of prophesies linked to the old testament ie he came from the house of King David, is a prophet of Islam and a divine figure for Christians. Hence some attempts to bring the three religions closer as the "Children of Abraham".

    It is true that many modern Christians now look more to the peace and love of the teachings of Jesus than to
    the fire and brimstone of the old testament but old book is still there, still part of the cannon of the bible as a whole.

    in my opinion more of Christianity is now more liberal (certainly in the UK and I would guess Oz) and has a less literal and dogmatic approach to its holy book than do many Muslims. But in both religions (and others such as Judaism) there are both liberal and fundamentalist arms. ISIS v the Lords Resistance army would be a close fight for most depraved and barbaric group hiding behind religious belief IMO

    I'm no more defending the Koran than I am the Bible. I believe neither has any divine inspiration or any unique perspective not available in other religions or those of no religion. Both contain ideas that I find abhorrent. The justification of slavery in the bible is one, the 2nd class status of women in both is another (ask Gavin Peacock),

    I just don't think we can say "here's proof that the Koran encourages terrorism" and then dismiss similar calls for death and destruction in the Bible currently used, and often abused, by the vast majority of the major Christian churches.

    Interesting, and thanks for taking the time. But if a Christian kid were to study the New Testament (Christian Bible) in school today, would he/she be subjected to the extreme quotes taken from the Old Testament that you posted earlier? I think that is the relevant point here, because a kid studying the Koran would certainly be exposed to the quotes from the Koran that I posted.

  • Polite request to not quote massively long posts as when you are on your iphone its a right pain to have to scroll throught repeated stuff.

    RIP to the poor hostages.
  • All for what, some stupid prophet who didn't exist. Wtf

    this is ignorant on so, so many levels.

    1) Muhammed did actually exist, in fact there's for more evidence to suggest he did exist than there are of jesus, buddha and moses.

    2) whether he actually was a prophet is open to personal belief, but to belittle some one because of their religious beliefs is like me or anyone else belittling you for supporting Charlton. It's stupid and, frankly, arrogant.

    please go back to trimming your neckbeard, dusting your fedora and go back to /r/atheism or whatever circle jerk atheist message board you frequent.
    What's ratheism? I'm confused
  • Curb_It said:

    Polite request to not quote massively long posts as when you are on your iphone its a right pain to have to scroll throught repeated stuff.

    RIP to the poor hostages.

    Curb_It said:

    Polite request to not quote massively long posts as when you are on your iphone its a right pain to have to scroll throught repeated stuff.

    RIP to the poor hostages.

    Sorry!!! Yes RIP to all the poor innocent people and their families.
  • Dazzler21 said:

    Coulibaly confirmed dead too.

    Along with his 57 agents
    Not the time or place. Very infantile.

    RIP any hostages that have lost their lives today.

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  • edited January 2015
    Dazzler21 said:

    CAFCTrev said:

    All for what, some stupid prophet who didn't exist. Wtf

    One of the most stupid comments I've ever seen on here.

    Insulting their religion is not exactly going to help is it.
    So people shouldnt be allowed to criticise religion?
    criticism and insult are different.
    So its a case of "free speech but only if it doesnt upset someone"??
  • RIP to the hostages
  • RIP to those innocents.
  • edited January 2015
    Second gunman in supermarket has escaped.

    Sadly I think this isn't then end.
  • edited January 2015

    Second gunman in supermarket has escaped.

    Sadly I think this isn't then end.

    Sounds like there was only one gunman in the supermarket. The 2nd person they're looking for is the woman believed to be with him the other day when the female officer was murdered. No info that she was in the supermarket.


    Edit - mentioned on Sky it seems but nothing of 2nd gunman on BBC yet.
  • Update - French media report second gunman in kosher grocery in eastern #Paris was unknown male and has escaped as hostage situation ends

    — Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) January 9, 2015
  • edited January 2015

    Second gunman in supermarket has escaped.

    Sadly I think this isn't then end.

    I've just seen that reported. Also that the gunmans girlfriend is still on the run.

    Surely it can't be true that anyone can get away from that scene.

    I've been following this whole sad story over the past two days on Sky and the BBC. There has been so much rumour reported as news it's untrue.

    All afternoon the BBC have been saying that two people were killed this morning whilst Sky said this was untrue. How can two major news channels report on this (one must be correct) without substantiation?

    The media also reporting that due to the media that the police raids couldn't happen simultaneously.

    Questions will be asked on the coverage of this down the line and if it compromised the operations.

    Don't even get me started on Kay Burley.
  • red_murph said:

    Second gunman in supermarket has escaped.

    Sadly I think this isn't then end.

    I've just seen that reported. Also that the gunmans girlfriend is still on the run.

    Surely it can't be true that anyone can get away from that scene.

    I've been following this whole sad story over the past two days on Sky and the BBC. There has been so much rumour reported as news it's untrue.

    All afternoon the BBC have been saying that two people were killed this morning whilst Sky said this was untrue. The media also reporting that due to the media that the police raids couldn't happen simultaneously.

    Questions will be asked on the coverage of this down the line and if it compromised the operations.

    Don't even get me started on Kay Burley.
    I don't think that's right. I've been listening to the BBC on and off all day. At which location and by which gunman did you understand that happened. You sure it wasn't the other way round? I know which of the two I'd trust more
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  • red_murph said:

    red_murph said:

    Second gunman in supermarket has escaped.

    Sadly I think this isn't then end.

    I've just seen that reported. Also that the gunmans girlfriend is still on the run.

    Surely it can't be true that anyone can get away from that scene.

    I've been following this whole sad story over the past two days on Sky and the BBC. There has been so much rumour reported as news it's untrue.

    All afternoon the BBC have been saying that two people were killed this morning whilst Sky said this was untrue. The media also reporting that due to the media that the police raids couldn't happen simultaneously.

    Questions will be asked on the coverage of this down the line and if it compromised the operations.

    Don't even get me started on Kay Burley.
    I don't think that's right. I've been listening to the BBC on and off all day. At which location and by which gunman did you understand that happened. You sure it wasn't the other way round? I know which of the two I'd trust more
    I can guarantee it was Prague. It was on the BBC ticker on BBC News HD for a long time today.

    I was surprised by it as well as I'd always trust them over the more sensationalist Sky News every day of the week.

    It was reported regarding the Paris hostage situation.
  • Meanwhile around 2000 people have been slaughtered by Islamic Extremists Boko Haram in Baga, Nigeria. Mainly Children, women and the elderly who couldn't run away.
  • Anonymous vow 'cyberwar'

    Posted at 17:58
    "Hacktivist" group Anonymous have released a video statement saying they will take revenge for the terrorist attacks by shutting down jihadist websites.

    - Good for them I say!

    RIP to the innocents who died today.
  • red_murph said:

    red_murph said:

    red_murph said:

    Second gunman in supermarket has escaped.

    Sadly I think this isn't then end.

    I've just seen that reported. Also that the gunmans girlfriend is still on the run.

    Surely it can't be true that anyone can get away from that scene.

    I've been following this whole sad story over the past two days on Sky and the BBC. There has been so much rumour reported as news it's untrue.

    All afternoon the BBC have been saying that two people were killed this morning whilst Sky said this was untrue. The media also reporting that due to the media that the police raids couldn't happen simultaneously.

    Questions will be asked on the coverage of this down the line and if it compromised the operations.

    Don't even get me started on Kay Burley.
    I don't think that's right. I've been listening to the BBC on and off all day. At which location and by which gunman did you understand that happened. You sure it wasn't the other way round? I know which of the two I'd trust more
    I can guarantee it was Prague. It was on the BBC ticker on BBC News HD for a long time today.

    I was surprised by it as well as I'd always trust them over the more sensationalist Sky News every day of the week.

    It was reported regarding the Paris hostage situation.
    Did they perhaps qualify it by saying "there are reports that..." ?

    It's true that the News channel have sometimes not always kept the usual BBC standards. Tickers encourage sloppiness, because they don't easily allow for qualifying words like that.
  • edited January 2015

    red_murph said:

    red_murph said:

    red_murph said:

    Second gunman in supermarket has escaped.

    Sadly I think this isn't then end.

    I've just seen that reported. Also that the gunmans girlfriend is still on the run.

    Surely it can't be true that anyone can get away from that scene.

    I've been following this whole sad story over the past two days on Sky and the BBC. There has been so much rumour reported as news it's untrue.

    All afternoon the BBC have been saying that two people were killed this morning whilst Sky said this was untrue. The media also reporting that due to the media that the police raids couldn't happen simultaneously.

    Questions will be asked on the coverage of this down the line and if it compromised the operations.

    Don't even get me started on Kay Burley.
    I don't think that's right. I've been listening to the BBC on and off all day. At which location and by which gunman did you understand that happened. You sure it wasn't the other way round? I know which of the two I'd trust more
    I can guarantee it was Prague. It was on the BBC ticker on BBC News HD for a long time today.

    I was surprised by it as well as I'd always trust them over the more sensationalist Sky News every day of the week.

    It was reported regarding the Paris hostage situation.
    Did they perhaps qualify it by saying "there are reports that..." ?

    It's true that the News channel have sometimes not always kept the usual BBC standards. Tickers encourage sloppiness, because they don't easily allow for qualifying words like that.
    I genuinely don't believe they did Prague, I'm 99% sure it was more certain than that.

    Agree with you on the sloppiness thing and it was on there quite a while, so maybe someone dropped the ball for a bit.

    Not that it matters in this whole sorry saga.

    Probably a discussion for when this whole horrible thing is finally over to be honest.
  • One bit of good news at least.

    Abu Hamza has been sentenced to life in the US.
  • The murdering scum will tonight be burning in hell hopefully and the realisation there is no paradise waiting for them will horrify their soul
  • Apprently BBC are now reporting another hostage situation in a jewellery shop in France. You couldn't make it up. Wonder if this one is the woman that they are after?
  • edited January 2015
    Ffs now being reported that a gunman has taken 2 hostages at a shop in Montpellier.

    Edit. It appears that isn't terrorism related, and in fact a jewellery robbery
  • probably thought this is my best chance to rob a jewellers since there will be no police about as they are all in another part of france !!
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