Oasis, IMO they were shit after What's the story morning glory but so many people treat those fuckers like god. I went to knebworth years ago and they were great although I mainly went to see OCS support them. Living in Perth now there seems to be a new generation of fuckwit 20-25yo expats that are stuck on Oasis like jizz on a teenagers porno mag
Completely agree. Everything after what’s the story.. just sounds like a band doing their best oasis impression
Lenny - loved the Rossini quote. But agree it's all subjective with different influences and devolvement of instruments. It's a bit like trying to compare Mozart, Beethoven and Mahler against Purcell and Wagner to Sir Harry Birtwhistle.
Also I think I made this point before but overrated is simply not an appropriate word to use to describe something that is entirely subjective.
If you like a band you like them. If you don't like them you don't. Maybe you can call a footballer overrated because his price is much higher than other footballers who have better statistics. It simply doesn't work with bands. Overrated is simply a poncey and high-horse way of saying 'I dislike a band most other people like.'
Oasis, IMO they were shit after What's the story morning glory but so many people treat those fuckers like god. I went to knebworth years ago and they were great although I mainly went to see OCS support them. Living in Perth now there seems to be a new generation of fuckwit 20-25yo expats that are stuck on Oasis like jizz on a teenagers porno mag
Completely agree. Everything after what’s the story.. just sounds like a band doing their best oasis impression
You should check out Liam Gallaghers twitter account, so many dickheads still love to kiss his arse. It's hilarious
Lenny - loved the Rossini quote. But agree it's all subjective with different influences and devolvement of instruments. It's a bit like trying to compare Mozart, Beethoven and Mahler against Purcell and Wagner to Sir Harry Birtwhistle.
True... In a magnificent tribute song to all his Brazilian musicians colleagues, Caetano Veloso name every one of them followed by a word about his uniqueness. At the end he says : "better than this there is only silence" but then adds. .." and better than silence there's Joao (gilberto)" So even he couldn't help being subjective...
I suspect this will be controversial, but here we go: David Bowie. Not, I stress, early Bowie. Up until 1983 everything was Hunky Dory. In fact it's hard to find the superlatives strong enough for much of his early work. After that though there's a sharp decline which continued to its nadir with Blackstar. It's critically acclaimed, reached number 1 in over twenty countries and is well loved by muzac ponces everywhere. What an absolutely rotten dirge though. If anyone else had written that stuff, it wouldn't get past the most junior of a&r men, let alone find itself onto the international market. That's what you can do when you're overrated.
I suspect this will be controversial, but here we go: David Bowie. Not, I stress, early Bowie. Up until 1983 everything was Hunky Dory. In fact it's hard to find the superlatives strong enough for much of his early work. After that though there's a sharp decline which continued to its nadir with Blackstar. It's critically acclaimed, reached number 1 in over twenty countries and is well loved by muzac ponces everywhere. What an absolutely rotten dirge though. If anyone else had written that stuff, it wouldn't get past the most junior of a&r men, let alone find itself onto the international market. That's what you can do when you're overrated.
Oi Stig, get back to the dump
Yeh I sort of know where you are coming from with this. I suspect in the long-term that Blackstar (the album) will indeed be seen as overrated by comparison with his best work. Without meaning to sound glib, it has been said many times that the best thing a rock star can do for his career is die and I do think that Blackstar got the benefit of an outpouring of posthumous deification of it's creator. Having said all of that I disagree that it is any sort of nadir. It is in fact another pretty game attempt by Bowie to musically reinvent himself and I for one find it quite an enjoyable listen. Too early to judge where it stands in comparison to the rest of his catalogue. I do agree he went off the boil during the 80's - I am not even a fan of Let's Dance although I get it's mass appeal. The nadir came with Tin Machine. I thought Hours was a decent "comeback", Heathen even better and Reality a late period stunner - one of my favourites.
Find a Beatles album. Listen to it. Look at the year it was recorded. Come back to me with anything else made at that time that is better than it in originality.
This is the reason they were, and still are, so popular.
Right, just found one; (1964) The Beatles Second Album and I trump it with The Beach Boys Live in Concert
I think that you're referring to 'A Hard Day's Night' (1964), The Beatles' third album & 'Concert' by The Beach Boys of the same year.
Personally I think 'Fun Fun Fun' is a fantastic track. There are three or four other tracks I like on that album.
The first side of 'A Hard Day's Night features two great love songs in 'If I Fell' and 'And I Love Her'. These alone blow the Beach Boys album out of the water. Things we Said Today is very underrated. There are three or four other songs I really like that are on a par with the three or four good tracks on The Beach Boys album.
It's all a matter of opinion of course but I don't agree that 'Concert' makes the grade. Besides it's not a studio album.
I suspect this will be controversial, but here we go: David Bowie. Not, I stress, early Bowie. Up until 1983 everything was Hunky Dory. In fact it's hard to find the superlatives strong enough for much of his early work. After that though there's a sharp decline which continued to its nadir with Blackstar. It's critically acclaimed, reached number 1 in over twenty countries and is well loved by muzac ponces everywhere. What an absolutely rotten dirge though. If anyone else had written that stuff, it wouldn't get past the most junior of a&r men, let alone find itself onto the international market. That's what you can do when you're overrated.
Blackstar is a native/red Indian term for someone who knows they are dying, ie, they have seen the blackstar, Elvis’ cowboy song/film flamin star was originally called blackstar, there is a version of him singing the original lyrics available. IMO opinion that was Bowie’s reasoning for choice of title (not because of Elvis but the wording)
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In a magnificent tribute song to all his Brazilian musicians colleagues, Caetano Veloso name every one of them followed by a word about his uniqueness. At the end he says : "better than this there is only silence" but then adds. .." and better than silence there's Joao (gilberto)"
So even he couldn't help being subjective...
Oi Stig, get back to the dumpYeh I sort of know where you are coming from with this.
I suspect in the long-term that Blackstar (the album) will indeed be seen as overrated by comparison with his best work.
Without meaning to sound glib, it has been said many times that the best thing a rock star can do for his career is die and I do think that Blackstar got the benefit of an outpouring of posthumous deification of it's creator.
Having said all of that I disagree that it is any sort of nadir.
It is in fact another pretty game attempt by Bowie to musically reinvent himself and I for one find it quite an enjoyable listen.
Too early to judge where it stands in comparison to the rest of his catalogue.
I do agree he went off the boil during the 80's - I am not even a fan of Let's Dance although I get it's mass appeal.
The nadir came with Tin Machine.
I thought Hours was a decent "comeback", Heathen even better and Reality a late period stunner - one of my favourites.
Tracklisting
‘A Hard Day’s Night’
‘I Should Have Known Better’
‘If I Fell’
‘I’m Happy Just To Dance With You’
‘And I Love Her’
‘Tell Me Why’
‘Can’t Buy Me Love’
‘Any Time At All’
‘I’ll Cry Instead’
‘Things We Said Today’
‘When I Get Home’
‘You Can’t Do That’
‘I’ll Be Back’
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Personally I think 'Fun Fun Fun' is a fantastic track. There are three or four other tracks I like on that album.
The first side of 'A Hard Day's Night features two great love songs in 'If I Fell' and 'And I Love Her'. These alone blow the Beach Boys album out of the water. Things we Said Today is very underrated. There are three or four other songs I really like that are on a par with the three or four good tracks on The Beach Boys album.
It's all a matter of opinion of course but I don't agree that 'Concert' makes the grade. Besides it's not a studio album.
IMO opinion that was Bowie’s reasoning for choice of title (not because of Elvis but the wording)