At a club like ours, a player of the quality of Gomez comes through the ranks once in a blue moon. If they let him go for anything less than £5M up-front, they may as well close the club down.
The best announcement is to say Joe Gomez is staying.
I know what some will say, but consider for a moment what forces might be making him unsettled or unhappy at Charlton Athletic. If it is about wages Joe Gomez could probably command double what he is offered now in a years time. On a personal financial level staying looks like it would work out as money neutral in the short term if gratification can be delayed. If it is about footballing development, then he is somewhere that has brought him through and given him his chance, and done brilliantly in that respect, after all he has represented England at a number of levels, and looks to me the best of his particular generation judging by the tournament last summer. Joe is a South East London young man, remaining here would likely be a supportive background rather than the risk of a step into the unknown. Now it is possible hat the club itself is angling to get Joe Gomez away, we continue to make a loss after all. Then there are agents and those close to Joe who may be influencing things, then there are the other clubs who want a really good English qualified player who may be persuasive Then there is Joe himself. I will probably sound patronising, but he is a young man and coming to such an important decision would be better if he were a bit more experienced in life and football. From the outside, yes speculating, on balance it seems to me to be the best for Joe to stay for at least another season, and that is what I would like to see. However if it is going to be a saga purely about money, money that will excite Joe, his family, agents, Liverpool, Charlton Athletic and so on...if we are in that business I still say we ought to set the bar high, very high. Joe leaving means a spend on replacements, Liverpool are swimming in premiership largesse, they have splashed around Suarez money, hope themselves to get a good deal for Sterling, were prepared to punt £20million on Dejan Lovren (yeah, who is he exactly?) amongst others, so yes I have a different idea as to what is realistic money than some others.
Number one Joe continues at Charlton. Number two we hoover up as much existing or stupid money as is out there as we can, and if we can't... Number three Joe continues at Charlton.
At a club like ours, a player of the quality of Gomez comes through the ranks once in a blue moon. If they let him go for anything less than £5M up-front, they may as well close the club down.
cheer up .. it's the summer .. mind you from your chosen site name, I am guessing you don't have a particularly sunny outlook on life ((:>)
If Gomez goes, he's gone, done and dusted .. our season starts in but a few weeks .. I for one can hardly wait .. and what will we all have to moan and tear out our hair over twas not for CAFC ?
A club that has been homeless and broke as well as often relegated only to rise like the Phoenix can certainly stand the loss of a decent young player, especially as his leaving should mean a good few quid going into the kitty
PS only just seen SJH's post regarding Joes background, and it reads well. I am fully prepared to accept that Joes family are not hungry for him to move if it is wrong for him, and they are not about the money. I hope the family encourage Joe to stay once everything is taken into account.
If Sky's rumour that we value Gomez at £7m and Liverpool pay that both sides should be happy.
However, the question I would pose is whether we get £3m, £7m or £10m, where will the money actually go? As a VG member I accept that a prospect with aspirations will have to be sold at the right price but would be extremely disappointed if we didn't use a chunk of that money to strengthen the squad.
£3.5Million??? If that is what is on the table, and is purely speculation, I would tell Liverpool to go away and come back with a decent offer. The club have invested a lot of time and money on the boy, as well as are we really going to be able to replace his quality or even half as good as with that money. In terms of RD i think the club will reinvest, and not just use it to fund his own empire. Personally I would rather see Gomez go to a club that challenge for something as he as a player deserves it. However if i was his advisor and the club, I would suggest that he should sit tight till January or another season in which would benefit both the player and club.
I'm a VG member too and am seriously wondering whether to renew this year. Duchatelet has much more money to splash around on the Academy than I do and if he sells our youngsters like Gomez he's the one who gets the cash, so I'm subsidising a multi-millionaire! :-)
Does it really matte how much we get for Gomez ? I would imagine there's transfer budget already assigned to Charlton, as there will be for all clubs in the network and whether we get £1m or £10m I can't see that changing too much.
One thing's for sure, Joe has done well by the club in signing a longer deal and getting us a decent fee, repaying the club for the effort and time in development. The fee itself is down to the club to negotiate and has nothing to do with the player.
Have no issue with Joe himself if he does go. Hasnt done a Diego Judas Poyet so I wish him the best and will look out for him when he breaks through.
SJH's comments were also echoed by Chris Parkes on the one occasion I met him - Joe clearly has an incredibly sensible and supportive family, who have encouraged him to take a medium and longer term view of his career.
Like Seth, I desperately hope that he stays with us a bit longer. Another season in the Championship with us would certainly develop his game and, from our perspective, the very strong probability is that his value will substantially increase. If Joe isn't pushing for a move, I don't understand why RD isn't prepared to sit tight and take a chance - indeed, the ability to realise the full value of young players was heralded as one of the big benefits of his acquisition of the club. Fifteen or so more games than Carl jenkinson (back in our League 1 days) doesn't much feel like progress to me.
It is all if and buts at the moment, but if a deal goes through and the fee turns out to be £3.5 million plus future add-ons, I would regard that as pretty risible in today's inflated market.
The fee anyway will be undisclosed so if and when he goes, we will be none the wiser.
You think that will stop this lot telling you that their mates, half brothers, sisters dog walker met a bloke in the park who works in the West Stand kitchens and he overheard Katrien saying that we got £24m, a complete refurb of the ladies loos in the East Stand and a years worth of pulled pork in return for Gomez.
Why do I always expect to hear a teenager giggle whenever I read "pulled pork"?
Does it really matte how much we get for Gomez ? I would imagine there's transfer budget already assigned to Charlton, as there will be for all clubs in the network and whether we get £1m or £10m I can't see that changing too much.
But KM said herself that she has a target for player sales.
She said that they weren't planning to sell any of the first team as well though.
Does it really matte how much we get for Gomez ? I would imagine there's transfer budget already assigned to Charlton, as there will be for all clubs in the network and whether we get £1m or £10m I can't see that changing too much.
But KM said herself that she has a target for player sales.
She said that they weren't planning to sell any of the first team as well though.
My stance with all Charlton sales from now is that it doesn't really matter if he is sold for £10 or £10m, there is no evidence that it will all be invested back into Charlton. Liege have sold players for 64m EUR and have paid out for 24m EUR since Roland bought them. We will sometimes benefit from the group aspect, other times others may benefit.
I just wanted to see him play for us and develop for another season, was one of the things I was looking forward to most.
12 months ago I thought we had two real potential rising stars, class acts coming through on our books in Poyet and Gomez. Now for whatever reason, it doesn't look like we'll have either.
My stance with all Charlton sales from now is that it doesn't really matter if he is sold for £10 or £10m, there is no evidence that it will all be invested back into Charlton. Liege have sold players for 64m EUR and have paid out for 24m EUR since Roland bought them. We will sometimes benefit from the group aspect, other times others may benefit.
I just wanted to see him play for us and develop for another season, was one of the things I was looking forward to most.
12 months ago I thought we had two real potential rising stars, class acts coming through on our books in Poyet and Gomez. Now for whatever reason, it doesn't look like we'll have either.
Couldn't put it any better. Just sat here at work and had a similar discussion. There's no motivation to go and watch next season if we sell our best assets. JBG will go I am now sure because he will see no ambition to keep our best players, to give us the best chance of challenging.
Does it really matte how much we get for Gomez ? I would imagine there's transfer budget already assigned to Charlton, as there will be for all clubs in the network and whether we get £1m or £10m I can't see that changing too much.
But KM said herself that she has a target for player sales.
She said that they weren't planning to sell any of the first team as well though.
Does it really matte how much we get for Gomez ? I would imagine there's transfer budget already assigned to Charlton, as there will be for all clubs in the network and whether we get £1m or £10m I can't see that changing too much.
But KM said herself that she has a target for player sales.
She said that they weren't planning to sell any of the first team as well though.
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This summer will tell as a lot about RD plans/ambition. Bumpy ride (trademark HI)
I know what some will say, but consider for a moment what forces might be making him unsettled or unhappy at Charlton Athletic. If it is about wages Joe Gomez could probably command double what he is offered now in a years time. On a personal financial level staying looks like it would work out as money neutral in the short term if gratification can be delayed.
If it is about footballing development, then he is somewhere that has brought him through and given him his chance, and done brilliantly in that respect, after all he has represented England at a number of levels, and looks to me the best of his particular generation judging by the tournament last summer.
Joe is a South East London young man, remaining here would likely be a supportive background rather than the risk of a step into the unknown.
Now it is possible hat the club itself is angling to get Joe Gomez away, we continue to make a loss after all. Then there are agents and those close to Joe who may be influencing things, then there are the other clubs who want a really good English qualified player who may be persuasive
Then there is Joe himself. I will probably sound patronising, but he is a young man and coming to such an important decision would be better if he were a bit more experienced in life and football.
From the outside, yes speculating, on balance it seems to me to be the best for Joe to stay for at least another season, and that is what I would like to see.
However if it is going to be a saga purely about money, money that will excite Joe, his family, agents, Liverpool, Charlton Athletic and so on...if we are in that business I still say we ought to set the bar high, very high.
Joe leaving means a spend on replacements, Liverpool are swimming in premiership largesse, they have splashed around Suarez money, hope themselves to get a good deal for Sterling, were prepared to punt £20million on Dejan Lovren (yeah, who is he exactly?) amongst others, so yes I have a different idea as to what is realistic money than some others.
Number one Joe continues at Charlton.
Number two we hoover up as much existing or stupid money as is out there as we can, and if we can't...
Number three Joe continues at Charlton.
If Gomez goes, he's gone, done and dusted .. our season starts in but a few weeks .. I for one can hardly wait .. and what will we all have to moan and tear out our hair over twas not for CAFC ?
A club that has been homeless and broke as well as often relegated only to rise like the Phoenix can certainly stand the loss of a decent young player, especially as his leaving should mean a good few quid going into the kitty
I hope the family encourage Joe to stay once everything is taken into account.
However, the question I would pose is whether we get £3m, £7m or £10m, where will the money actually go? As a VG member I accept that a prospect with aspirations will have to be sold at the right price but would be extremely disappointed if we didn't use a chunk of that money to strengthen the squad.
Personally I would rather see Gomez go to a club that challenge for something as he as a player deserves it. However if i was his advisor and the club, I would suggest that he should sit tight till January or another season in which would benefit both the player and club.
Have no issue with Joe himself if he does go. Hasnt done a Diego Judas Poyet so I wish him the best and will look out for him when he breaks through.
Like Seth, I desperately hope that he stays with us a bit longer. Another season in the Championship with us would certainly develop his game and, from our perspective, the very strong probability is that his value will substantially increase. If Joe isn't pushing for a move, I don't understand why RD isn't prepared to sit tight and take a chance - indeed, the ability to realise the full value of young players was heralded as one of the big benefits of his acquisition of the club. Fifteen or so more games than Carl jenkinson (back in our League 1 days) doesn't much feel like progress to me.
It is all if and buts at the moment, but if a deal goes through and the fee turns out to be £3.5 million plus future add-ons, I would regard that as pretty risible in today's inflated market.
She said that they weren't planning to sell any of the first team as well though.
My stance with all Charlton sales from now is that it doesn't really matter if he is sold for £10 or £10m, there is no evidence that it will all be invested back into Charlton. Liege have sold players for 64m EUR and have paid out for 24m EUR since Roland bought them. We will sometimes benefit from the group aspect, other times others may benefit.
I just wanted to see him play for us and develop for another season, was one of the things I was looking forward to most.
12 months ago I thought we had two real potential rising stars, class acts coming through on our books in Poyet and Gomez. Now for whatever reason, it doesn't look like we'll have either.
Just sat here at work and had a similar discussion. There's no motivation to go and watch next season if we sell our best assets. JBG will go I am now sure because he will see no ambition to keep our best players, to give us the best chance of challenging.