It makes u wonder does RD know about the premier league lol so much potential to make the club bigger and better! And he calls himself a business man!!! Pffftttttt
The fact he is an excellent business man and not primarily a football nut, is, some might argue, part of the problem. From a business perspective a potenial 10m into the club for 17 year old is a good deal.
In one way it'll be good to get our selling done early, so we can focus on bringing in the new squad and not have potential big numbers for key players hanging over us. In another way having no centre backs (assuming Bikey leaves) when our defense was a key factor last season...
3.5m doesn't go a long way if you're buying proven
I think/fear that CAFC will soon be a kindergarten for young Europeans being tested out for the network .. until January that is when, as last season, we're possibly struggling and there will be moves to bring in experienced Brits as what occurred with the signings of Johnson and Eagles .. though to look on the brighter side, Watt, although a Scot, was a Euro import and he's not too shabby
And that appears to be the master plan which Powell and Dyer baulked at. Last season we had a midfield of Gudmundsson, Buyens, Cousins and Bulot. All under 25, most with two years left on their contracts last summer, now just 12 months.
But contrast that to Pritchard, Jackson, Stephens/Poyet and Harriott the season before.
For sure we are a shop window but the thing is we always were! Only this time the merchandise goes for a much higher price. We got peanuts for Palmer and compensation for Poyet whereas now Gomez (and others) will go for much bigger fees. Right now we have several players who could fetch decent fees and that covers our losses as well as paying for the next wave of recruitment.
As you say, when we're struggling, older reinforcements are brought in on short term deals but they are not part of the long term. I really hope if we are flying it one season then decent players are acquired in January to push us into the play-offs.
Personally I think this only works for the fans if the club squad improves every six or 12 months. If we, as a club, stand still in 12th then fans will rightly say that selling top talent is short sighted and completely ignores the prospects of FAPL revenues. But if we can sell talent, minimise losses AND improve every season then that's a model which works! Contrast that to many Championship clubs with aging squads and losses of 10M per annum
Lol so 1m a couple of weeks ago, then 3.5 then 4 then 6 then 8 now 9. The rate of inflation so far suggests when we eventually sell him we'll be getting ridiculous amounts of money!
It makes u wonder does RD know about the premier league lol so much potential to make the club bigger and better! And he calls himself a business man!!! Pffftttttt
The fact he is an excellent business man and not primarily a football nut, is, some might argue, part of the problem.
Why is this persistently mentioned.
The man owns more Clubs than Peter Stringfellow, or course he's a football nut.
Real shame. He was good last season and a player to build a defence for a play off push this season. Hardly do we see him play and then he has gone/going. Don't remember him getting a song? Still money talks to both player and club. Wonder who the club will use for their 'future is bright' banner this season. Not the best way to attract more fans to the club unless we invest the money wisely.
I assume that the Gomez deal will be part of that agreement we signed with Liverpool when Shelvey went. And that we will be getting Sterling in return.
Friend of mine in Derby has just texted saying we are in the hunt for Jason Shackell. He plays for Burnley but apparently Derby want to bring him back. Reckons the fee is around £1.5 million.
Just had a quick google on him and he is 31... Only 13 years older than Gomez....
Shackell is a left footed centre back .Last season after releasing Richard Wood we did not have one.
It appears Harry Lennon is not ready for the first team so it would fill a gap. Last season according to reports we tried to sign Danny Collins and Naby Sarr so clearly this had been identified as an area for recruitment.
hold on everyone didn't that nice Mr Murray say that one of the advantages of having RD as owner is that we don't have to sell our young players but can hang on to them for a while and get a better price eventually, after all Gomez is on a long contract and doesn't need to go anywhere
This. Selling the family silver to break even. Not impressed.
It pains me how much football transfer fees have become warped in today's day and age. Unless Roland pockets it, £4 million could do a hell of a lot for our club. Like bringing back the opera singer on the final day of the season.
I'm on my way home from a few drinks with an opera singer's girlfriend and I can tell you he'd do anything you liked for £4 let alone £4mn!
In one way it'll be good to get our selling done early, so we can focus on bringing in the new squad and not have potential big numbers for key players hanging over us. In another way having no centre backs (assuming Bikey leaves) when our defense was a key factor last season...
3.5m doesn't go a long way if you're buying proven
I think/fear that CAFC will soon be a kindergarten for young Europeans being tested out for the network .. until January that is when, as last season, we're possibly struggling and there will be moves to bring in experienced Brits as what occurred with the signings of Johnson and Eagles .. though to look on the brighter side, Watt, although a Scot, was a Euro import and he's not too shabby
And that appears to be the master plan which Powell and Dyer baulked at. Last season we had a midfield of Gudmundsson, Buyens, Cousins and Bulot. All under 25, most with two years left on their contracts last summer, now just 12 months.
But contrast that to Pritchard, Jackson, Stephens/Poyet and Harriott the season before.
For sure we are a shop window but the thing is we always were! Only this time the merchandise goes for a much higher price. We got peanuts for Palmer and compensation for Poyet whereas now Gomez (and others) will go for much bigger fees. Right now we have several players who could fetch decent fees and that covers our losses as well as paying for the next wave of recruitment.
As you say, when we're struggling, older reinforcements are brought in on short term deals but they are not part of the long term. I really hope if we are flying it one season then decent players are acquired in January to push us into the play-offs.
Personally I think this only works for the fans if the club squad improves every six or 12 months. If we, as a club, stand still in 12th then fans will rightly say that selling top talent is short sighted and completely ignores the prospects of FAPL revenues. But if we can sell talent, minimise losses AND improve every season then that's a model which works! Contrast that to many Championship clubs with aging squads and losses of 10M per annum
@seriously_red, I am pretty sure you could find something positive to say about drowning in a vat of merde / stront.
Thought that one of the virtues of RD was keeping hold of our young players and be able to see them develop. Apparently not. A team full of cheap players who if any of them are proven to be any good, they will be sold off at the first best opportunity. Now, I understand the Bauer link.
Yeah... cos we never sold any of our youth prospects til RD came along. Not saying it's not irritating but it's not an RD problem, it's a football problem.
If the sale of a talented and highly potential player allows us to progress like we it the last season in league one - then that's surely the option we all want!
Charlton have had to sell decent young players, but that's because we had to. Shelvey had to be sold to keep the club going. Same with Jenkinson. RD was spun as an owner who would keep hold of the best young players, apparently nothing has changed.
Charlton have had to sell decent young players, but that's because we had to. Shelvey had to be sold to keep the club going. Same with Jenkinson. RD was spun as an owner who would keep hold of the best young players, apparently nothing has changed.
What's changed is with RD we look likely to see a huge fee up front, £7m being spoken about now? Then add ons to take it upto £10m?
Under the last regime his contract would have expired by now and Murray would have provably got £2.5m + add ons at most.
Regardless of who the owner is its highly likely Gomez would still be leaving now if he hadn't done already.
Am disappointed by the sale of Gomez however positively its spun. I can't help be disappointed whatever Charlton's history as a selling club, or the state of British football. It is always disappointing as I want players such as Gomez do well in a Charlton shirt and for Charlton to be in the premiership. Its watching players who are our own do well, its something special and it is one of the reasons that makes the trek down to the Valley worthwhile.
In addition, Southampton got to the Premiership with a young talented squad with a bit of experience and quality added in. They got many more millions for the young players for the players produced by selling in the premiership.
Charlton in the Championship get much less for its youth products and although it meets the running costs being met by Roland it means a gamble on new unproven players and a yearly gamble on survival in the championships. Not seeing a plan to get to the Premiership which will have big TV money and big competition from our state aided neighbours. It may be too little, too slow and Charlton risk getting overrun.
Like always its wait and see to see if any of the new players brought in or of sufficient quality in sufficient number to do anything but scrape a mid table finish at best.
Gutted tbh , gutted the season he broke through was the season I decided to change my work life, but that's my own decision,
If Joe really doesn't see his future with us then it's right to allow him to leave , the length of time remaining on his contract is the issue I take annoyance to but I don't know who to blame for that really,
Anywhere between 5-8 Mil is great business if add ons that increase that even better , tbh I'd rather he goes scouse than Manchester citeh or goonershite
Good luck Joe don't be like many others and forget your past and who got you to where you are now
As much as I'd like to keep Gomez selling him is not the end of the world fgs. Yes we would all want more money for him and yes we'd like to keep our best young players but every player has his price and tbh I wish him all the luck because he didn't reject a contract and not going for tribunal fee which are generally crap.
We are not going to be able to afford to turn down every offer for all of our young prospects. Not a fan of RD , far from it, but are you all serious in thinking he still wouldn't have been sold if jimenez/slater or even Murray/Varney were still in charge ? Yes RD and KM said they wanted to develop our youth and hold onto the best, of course they did. What else would they say?. Also said we don't have to sell our best players. No we don't have to but championship clubs sell to premiership clubs. That's how it works until you are in the premiership. You can't keep everyone especially in the position we are in, which is at best a mid table championship team. One player doesn't make a team and no-one is irreplaceable. As it stands only Gomez is being linked with actually leaving and the money generated could go into building us a strong team, same as what happened with Jenkinson. Speculation that the money won't go back into us is just that. Cousins not going anywhere to my knowledge, neither are henderson, watt, vetokele or JBG, who are all very important players for the coming season.
As said I'm no fan of RD, but I can't see how any previous board would not also cash in on any player if decent money was offered. If SLP report is correct fee wise I'd be happy with that. Not ecstatic but happy enough.
I.just hope we start bringing in players soon so panicking can start to decline a bit.
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Could not care about the money, just want to see one of our excellent young prospects play more than a few games for us.
Jenks, JGomez, Poyet, Palmer, Shelvey....add all of their appearances together and it is less than the amount of games we got out of Therry Racon!
But contrast that to Pritchard, Jackson, Stephens/Poyet and Harriott the season before.
For sure we are a shop window but the thing is we always were! Only this time the merchandise goes for a much higher price. We got peanuts for Palmer and compensation for Poyet whereas now Gomez (and others) will go for much bigger fees. Right now we have several players who could fetch decent fees and that covers our losses as well as paying for the next wave of recruitment.
As you say, when we're struggling, older reinforcements are brought in on short term deals but they are not part of the long term. I really hope if we are flying it one season then decent players are acquired in January to push us into the play-offs.
Personally I think this only works for the fans if the club squad improves every six or 12 months. If we, as a club, stand still in 12th then fans will rightly say that selling top talent is short sighted and completely ignores the prospects of FAPL revenues. But if we can sell talent, minimise losses AND improve every season then that's a model which works! Contrast that to many Championship clubs with aging squads and losses of 10M per annum
The man owns more Clubs than Peter Stringfellow, or course he's a football nut.
;-)
Just had a quick google on him and he is 31... Only 13 years older than Gomez....
It appears Harry Lennon is not ready for the first team so it would fill a gap. Last season according to reports we tried to sign Danny Collins and Naby Sarr so clearly this had been identified as an area for recruitment.
Under the last regime his contract would have expired by now and Murray would have provably got £2.5m + add ons at most.
Regardless of who the owner is its highly likely Gomez would still be leaving now if he hadn't done already.
Charlton in the Championship get much less for its youth products and although it meets the running costs being met by Roland it means a gamble on new unproven players and a yearly gamble on survival in the championships. Not seeing a plan to get to the Premiership which will have big TV money and big competition from our state aided neighbours. It may be too little, too slow and Charlton risk getting overrun.
Like always its wait and see to see if any of the new players brought in or of sufficient quality in sufficient number to do anything but scrape a mid table finish at best.
If Joe really doesn't see his future with us then it's right to allow him to leave , the length of time remaining on his contract is the issue I take annoyance to but I don't know who to blame for that really,
Anywhere between 5-8 Mil is great business if add ons that increase that even better , tbh I'd rather he goes scouse than Manchester citeh or goonershite
Good luck Joe don't be like many others and forget your past and who got you to where you are now
We are not going to be able to afford to turn down every offer for all of our young prospects. Not a fan of RD , far from it, but are you all serious in thinking he still wouldn't have been sold if jimenez/slater or even Murray/Varney were still in charge ? Yes RD and KM said they wanted to develop our youth and hold onto the best, of course they did. What else would they say?. Also said we don't have to sell our best players. No we don't have to but championship clubs sell to premiership clubs. That's how it works until you are in the premiership. You can't keep everyone especially in the position we are in, which is at best a mid table championship team. One player doesn't make a team and no-one is irreplaceable. As it stands only Gomez is being linked with actually leaving and the money generated could go into building us a strong team, same as what happened with Jenkinson. Speculation that the money won't go back into us is just that. Cousins not going anywhere to my knowledge, neither are henderson, watt, vetokele or JBG, who are all very important players for the coming season.
As said I'm no fan of RD, but I can't see how any previous board would not also cash in on any player if decent money was offered. If SLP report is correct fee wise I'd be happy with that. Not ecstatic but happy enough.
I.just hope we start bringing in players soon so panicking can start to decline a bit.