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I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.0 -
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.The Red Robin said:
I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.
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Maybe he didnt want a long contract to begin withThe Red Robin said:
I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.8 -
It's not hindsight though is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.The Red Robin said:
I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.0 -
I don't think he was given a 2 year contract so much as that's what he would sign. Hedged his betsThe Red Robin said:
I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.7 -
The short answer is that we can't yet be sure. RD will decide how the money is to be allocated across his network of clubs. There's no reason to believe that all player sales income will be ring-fenced to the selling club, nor does it make sense to sell decent Charlton players and replace them with cheap donkeys. But then not everything RD does is logical....Kerm, Polish Pete, Morrison, No Point etc.ross1 said:Of course, if JC, JG and JBG were all sold for a good price, then I am sure RD will use the money to buy some very good players, and not keep the money or invest it in any of his other clubs. I am sure we can relax and depend on this, can't we? please agree with me, or it is very worrying.
I was always told not to worry about things you can't control or influence, so I'm not worrying. Nor am I rushing to renew my ST- I'll wait and see whether we have a competitive squad.2 -
Well perhaps. Firstly he might not sign a contract longer than 2 years. Secondly if we had offered him four and he had turned out to be not good enough ? The fact he has proved to be excellent makes the two year deal less than ideal. Hindsight.The Red Robin said:
It's not hindsight though is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.The Red Robin said:
I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.
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It's absolutely hindsight. It's just one of those things.
This time last year we were on the brink of losing Poyet without any signings and the same faces came out predicting our impending demise.
We're likely to lose Gomez for 5-6m plus and as yet there have been no concrete rumours re: Cousins or JBG.
We are in a stronger position this summer than we were last, believe it or not.15 -
Good post.Callumcafc said:It's absolutely hindsight. It's just one of those things.
This time last year we were on the brink of losing Poyet without any signings and the same faces came out predicting our impending demise.
We're likely to lose Gomez for 5-6m plus and as yet there have been no concrete rumours re: Cousins or JBG.
We are in a stronger position this summer than we were last, believe it or not.0 -
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And if he'd been tied to a 5 year deal and flopped people would probably be asking why he wasn't put on a 2 year deal to start with...The Red Robin said:
I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.
He was unproven in English football and as others have said was also probably the longest he wanted to sign for.5 -
And who knows in 12 months time we might be in an even stronger position with or without Gomez, JBG etcCallumcafc said:It's absolutely hindsight. It's just one of those things.
This time last year we were on the brink of losing Poyet without any signings and the same faces came out predicting our impending demise.
We're likely to lose Gomez for 5-6m plus and as yet there have been no concrete rumours re: Cousins or JBG.
We are in a stronger position this summer than we were last, believe it or not.2 -
That's the hope! My point was only that at this stage of the summer there is no easy way to tell what kind of season your team is going to have.MartinhoCAFC said:
And who knows in 12 months time we might be in an even stronger position with or without Gomez, JBG etcCallumcafc said:It's absolutely hindsight. It's just one of those things.
This time last year we were on the brink of losing Poyet without any signings and the same faces came out predicting our impending demise.
We're likely to lose Gomez for 5-6m plus and as yet there have been no concrete rumours re: Cousins or JBG.
We are in a stronger position this summer than we were last, believe it or not.
Sometimes you can only work it out by Christmas.0 -
Not saying who is right, but I strongly sense the powers that be, believe they have better goalkeeping options, so cash in Pope.0
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Spot on. We all need to relax and see what the next six weeks brings.Callumcafc said:It's absolutely hindsight. It's just one of those things.
This time last year we were on the brink of losing Poyet without any signings and the same faces came out predicting our impending demise.
We're likely to lose Gomez for 5-6m plus and as yet there have been no concrete rumours re: Cousins or JBG.
We are in a stronger position this summer than we were last, believe it or not.0 -
We've just got rid of Lepoint, what do you expect?ShootersHillGuru said:Jesus H Christ some of you lot have us relegated in the June before the season starts. A record even for CL.
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It's as if the older people get the more negative they become.Greenie said:
The amount of negative buggers on here is increasing as the years go by, its just draining.ShootersHillGuru said:Jesus H Christ some of you lot have us relegated in the June before the season starts. A record even for CL.
Heres a number just in case:- 08457 90 90 902 -
Or crystal balls.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well perhaps. Firstly he might not sign a contract longer than 2 years. Secondly if we had offered him four and he had turned out to be not good enough ? The fact he has proved to be excellent makes the two year deal less than ideal. Hindsight.The Red Robin said:
It's not hindsight though is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.The Red Robin said:
I just don't get why Gudmundson was only given a two-year contract.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think he will if they don't match his valuations. If they do or exceed what we have as a price then it's decent enough business.The Red Robin said:
Both have a year left on their contract. Unless they sign new deals, they'll be sold this summer or in January. Gudmundson has already spoken about leaving and Cousins is being linked with a few Premier League clubs. Do you think Duchatelet will turn any bids down for either of them?ValleyGary said:
And on the other hand, at the moment, JBG & Cousins are likely to stay. So it will have been avoided.The Red Robin said:
Right, but had we sold the core of our team as well? Let's face it, Gomez is going, Gudmundson will probably go too and if a half-decent offer comes in for Cousins he'll be sold as well. Somehow, when all Roland and Katrien had to do this summer was keep our players and build on last season, they're going to have another transfer window of rebuilding. It could and should have been avoided.killerandflash said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers
Looking at this list of our transfers last season, NONE of them had arrived by this point of the summer, Igor being the first permanent on the 24th June, and Yoni the first loan signing on the 21st June
Can't we just chill,out and see what happens.
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To be fair- if we lose Gomez for X millions and get him back on loan, we are in a stronger position than last season. If we lose Cousins and JBG, they wont be easy to replace. If the objective of the club is to sell and rebuild every year, I can’t honestly see any way other than it catching up with us at some point. If it is to build and strengthen, I don’t see how we can have a much better platform than we currently have. The club has not been good at building on platforms in recent years – irrespective of owners – and it would be disappointing if this continues ad infinitum. Not saying it will – we have to see how all this pans out – no evidence yet to show it will go one way or the other, but I don’t feel confident I can say which way it will go.2
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Once again the loan back talk is coming back. Can people name examples of when this has actually happened?1
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Yes Col I agree and I am an old bugger......but I still don't get it?colthe3rd said:
It's as if the older people get the more negative they become.Greenie said:
The amount of negative buggers on here is increasing as the years go by, its just draining.ShootersHillGuru said:Jesus H Christ some of you lot have us relegated in the June before the season starts. A record even for CL.
Heres a number just in case:- 08457 90 90 900 -
I knew that was going to be mentioned but that was a transfer in January so it was more that it was arranged then but to actually go through in the summer.stonemuse said:
Zahacolthe3rd said:Once again the loan back talk is coming back. Can people name examples of when this has actually happened?
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I think the loan back is peculiar to a relatively small number of cases and this is one. Gomez doesn’t realistically stand much chance of featuring for Liverpool and they are clearly buying him for what he promises to be. So they would most likely want to loan him. This would give us the opportunity to make this a condition of a deal as it probably won’t be too big an issue for Liverpool whether he goes to us or Derby. In fact, there may be an argument that he is developing well with us and so it is best not to mess around with that. We benefit because it is likely he will be useful for us – everybody benefits. If I was negotiating I wouldn’t link this to a price discount, it is a no brainer.1
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colthe3rd said:
Once again the loan back talk is coming back. Can people name examples of when this has actually happened?
The two players Forest sold to Newcastle.colthe3rd said:Once again the loan back talk is coming back. Can people name examples of when this has actually happened?
http://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk//news/article/magpies-swoop-for-jamaal-and-karl-1802814.aspx?site=desktop1 -
Yeah it sounds good to us and why wouldn't it? We'll give you £x and you can have him back for a year. I don't really see what Liverpool would gain from that. If they are willing to buy him now and not to let his value decrease by letting him stay then they'll want to look at him close up. Perhaps he would be loaned out in Jan at best a bit earlier but I'd say there is practically no chance we'll see him in a Charlton shirt again if he goes. There's no precedence for it and it really just isn't in Liverpool's interest to do so.0
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Deleted this one - got it wrong!0
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People might not like this perspective but I've noticed a few saying that Gudmundsson won't like the supposed lack of ambition being shown by selling Gomez; I think it might be the opposite. Imagine if Johann went to Katrien to discuss whether he'd sign a new contract and she said that we'd just sold a player who played 24 times for us for over £6 million and that was all going back into the playing squad. I'd see that as more ambitious than holding on to Gomez and bringing hardly any new players in2
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And examples of when Charlton managed to negotiate a loan back?0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJBPfQv1wQ
