What this highlights is the shockingly poor state of our transport infrastructure. That closing a single road, in one direction, leads to absolute chaos, with people's livelihoods and even lives been put at risk.
There's bridges to the west of central London that have been closed for years for repairs, and not a single life has been put at risk, and there's not been a single call to start executing people. One bridge to the east of London is closed and we're plunged into the purge apparently.
There is a bit of a difference here though. That will be hammersmith Bridge you are talking about. Putney and Chiswick either side are the options you take when heading that way to cross the river.
What other options do you have when the Dartford bridge is closed? Blackwall is the next one along or the ferry so your first point is correct but the same people will be protesting about the Silvertown tunnel.
That's the whole point, we've been left drastically underserved by crossings here to the East to the point where a single point of failure is catastrophic for traffic miles in every direction.
What this highlights is the shockingly poor state of our transport infrastructure. That closing a single road, in one direction, leads to absolute chaos, with people's livelihoods and even lives been put at risk.
There's bridges to the west of central London that have been closed for years for repairs, and not a single life has been put at risk, and there's not been a single call to start executing people. One bridge to the east of London is closed and we're plunged into the purge apparently.
There is a bit of a difference here though. That will be hammersmith Bridge you are talking about. Putney and Chiswick either side are the options you take when heading that way to cross the river.
What other options do you have when the Dartford bridge is closed? Blackwall is the next one along or the ferry so your first point is correct but the same people will be protesting about the Silvertown tunnel.
That's the whole point, we've been left drastically underserved by crossings here to the East to the point where a single point of failure is catastrophic for traffic miles in every direction.
Yea sorry I completely agree. Anything wrong with the bridge with our without these helmets and the whole area is fcked.
What this highlights is the shockingly poor state of our transport infrastructure. That closing a single road, in one direction, leads to absolute chaos, with people's livelihoods and even lives been put at risk.
There's bridges to the west of central London that have been closed for years for repairs, and not a single life has been put at risk, and there's not been a single call to start executing people. One bridge to the east of London is closed and we're plunged into the purge apparently.
There is a bit of a difference here though. That will be hammersmith Bridge you are talking about. Putney and Chiswick either side are the options you take when heading that way to cross the river.
What other options do you have when the Dartford bridge is closed? Blackwall is the next one along or the ferry so your first point is correct but the same people will be protesting about the Silvertown tunnel.
That's the whole point, we've been left drastically underserved by crossings here to the East to the point where a single point of failure is catastrophic for traffic miles in every direction.
Yea sorry I completely agree. Anything wrong with the bridge with our without these helmets and the whole area is fcked.
Tell me about it. I used to work on Crossways, and if there was the slightest issue with the bridge or tunnels then the whole estate would simply become a car park. I remember it taking over an hour just to get out of the car park one day, so just dumped the car and retreated to The Wharf for a few hours.
Anyone know what laws the protesters are breaking and what will be there punishment if any, when they eventually come down, personally I’m also devastated to hear they didn’t have a very good night sleep.
I believe @Vincenzo has been shocked by the vicious suggestions by many on here, as have I. I don’t believe @Vincenzo has been saying the protests are a good thing. I believe @Vincenzo probably has a similar view to Samuel Beckett observing the 1968 Paris riots when he said ‘never was such rightness joined to such foolishness’, I certainly think that anyway.
absolute madness, when the prick finally comes down he'll probably get a £50 fine and be blocking another road 24 hours later
That will all be after he is given a warm cup of coffee, something to eat and a full check in the back of an ambulance for hyperthermia.
If there handing out warms cups of coffee, I’m all for joining in the protest, I hear it’s got some great views up there, trouble is I can get a bit queasy at heights, which could be unpleasant for anyone standing below ushering me down as I’ve had a big breakfast.
"I can't challenge this madness in my desk job, designing bridges [for cars and roads?], so I'm taking direct action, occupying the QEII bridge until the government stops all new oil."
They are also idiots for doing it at a time when the government is a little bit pre-occupied and sort of has other priorities. Unless this is what Truss was tending to yesterday.
It's only a matter of time before one of these eco warrior twunts gets a bloody good hiding. The annoying thing is that whoever resorts to thumping one of them will almost certainly go to prison while the idiots doing this will not.
You can't go around thumping people just because you don't agree with what they're doing. There'd be anarchy if you could. It's important to protect people's right to protest. These particular protesters have, I assume, gone beyond the bounds of the law and could we'll go to prison.
What the so called protesters are doing is anarchy. Send in the SAS, they can sort them out bunch of fucking twats.
You make anarchy sound like a totally bad thing. I believe there are good features to anarchy. When we protested Duchatelet at the Valley, sandwich man didn’t send in the SAS, but he had that surreal phalanx of City of London police (Burnley game) on hand. Probably has the same psychology towards our protests as many on here seem to have towards the Dartford Bridge people. I know the Dartford one is on a huge scale of disruption and impact compared to us sitting down at the entrances to the Valley car parks, but some of the underlying features of ‘anarchy’ are the same.
Highly effective protest really. We simply cannot keep burning fossil fuels and mostly that comes from industry and cars. It leads global warming through carbon release and to particulates in the air. It is a big deal. Bigger than your commute to work or leisure trip across the thames. I'd be pissed off too if I was caught in it but I mostly travel by train. But this is just a very effective protest in a much bigger picture. Many more to come I expect. Simply has to be.
let's list the achievements of these wonderful people 1. Disruption to thousands of people's lives 2. Loss of earnings for thousands for of people 3. Enormous pollution through conjestion and diversion. (I don't know if this is momitored daily around Dartford) 4. Total loss of sympathy for their cause. Even those who are anti oil are now having second thoughts!
Highly effective protest really. We simply cannot keep burning fossil fuels and mostly that comes from industry and cars. It leads global warming through carbon release and to particulates in the air. It is a big deal. Bigger than your commute to work or leisure trip across the thames. I'd be pissed off too if I was caught in it but I mostly travel by train. But this is just a very effective protest in a much bigger picture. Many more to come I expect. Simply has to be.
Yes you are correct, it is a highly effective protest, it might be bigger than your / our commute to work, but is the bigger than life, people will die because of this protest, it blocks access to the biggest emergency hospital in a large area, fire engines cannot cross Dartford from east to west, traffic is gridlock causing more pollution (and the possibility of additional deaths) to an area that is already one, if not the highest polluted areas in Europe, cars and lorries are stationary and using more fossils than if they are moving. As you say a highly effective protest, but one without any thought of the consequences for the local environment or population.
I don't agree with their methods, but Climate Change is ruining people's lives and people are dying all over the world as a result of it.
I watched Frozen Planet II on Sunday and it is heartbreaking to see the dramatic effect of Climate Change on many species. The melting of ice is going to cause flooding all over the world and much of London and the UK will be affected.
Giving licences for new fossil fuels is madness, we need to move away quickly if we are to stop further damage.
Highly effective protest really. We simply cannot keep burning fossil fuels and mostly that comes from industry and cars. It leads global warming through carbon release and to particulates in the air. It is a big deal. Bigger than your commute to work or leisure trip across the thames. I'd be pissed off too if I was caught in it but I mostly travel by train. But this is just a very effective protest in a much bigger picture. Many more to come I expect. Simply has to be.
Do you seriously think that what we do in our tiny insignificant island is going to have much effect? We're pissing in the wind while China, India, US etc etc ride roughshod over any attempts to change. Cars are so much cleaner than they used to be and the government here have set goals which are most likely undeliverable, but at least they're trying to do something. It's just not realistic to stop using oil immediately, the country would be ruined, and for what? The aforementioned countries will just continue to pollute unchallenged anyway. I'm all for the right of protest but to do it to the detriment of the normal citizens is simply unjust. If they want to hang off buildings or glue themselves to the floor, go do it at the Houses of Parliament, Downing Street, or outside the Chinese Embassy. The biggest irony is that the very ropes they're hanging from, keeping them alive, are made from coal and oil....
Why is the bridge closed? The protesters are not in the road. I presume they could fall on a car but they haven't got bombs so close a lane within a falling zone and carry on using the bridge.
Highly effective protest really. We simply cannot keep burning fossil fuels and mostly that comes from industry and cars. It leads global warming through carbon release and to particulates in the air. It is a big deal. Bigger than your commute to work or leisure trip across the thames. I'd be pissed off too if I was caught in it but I mostly travel by train. But this is just a very effective protest in a much bigger picture. Many more to come I expect. Simply has to be.
Do you seriously think that what we do in our tiny insignificant island is going to have much effect? We're pissing in the wind while China, India, US etc etc ride roughshod over any attempts to change. Cars are so much cleaner than they used to be and the government here have set goals which are most likely undeliverable, but at least they're trying to do something. It's just not realistic to stop using oil immediately, the country would be ruined, and for what? The aforementioned countries will just continue to pollute unchallenged anyway. I'm all for the right of protest but to do it to the detriment of the normal citizens is simply unjust. If they want to hang off buildings or glue themselves to the floor, go do it at the Houses of Parliament, Downing Street, or outside the Chinese Embassy. The biggest irony is that the very ropes they're hanging from, keeping them alive, are made from coal and oil....
I wouldnt have expected these protestors to go equipped with the latest in environmentally friendly ropes and other gear. It was a protest not an exhibition of the possible.
At a social level, this tiny insignificant island as you call it was at the forefront of the last industrial revolution, has had a good living from fossil fuels, yes, but needs to be at the forefront of the next revolution. These protests are at least a helpful reminder of that.
I don't agree with their methods, but Climate Change is ruining people's lives and people are dying all over the world as a result of it.
I watched Frozen Planet II on Sunday and it is heartbreaking to see the dramatic effect of Climate Change on many species. The melting of ice is going to cause flooding all over the world and much of London and the UK will be affected.
Giving licences for new fossil fuels is madness, we need to move away quickly if we are to stop further damage.
Why is the bridge closed? The protesters are not in the road. I presume they could fall on a car but they haven't got bombs so close a lane within a falling zone and carry on using the bridge.
You can calculate a ‘falling zone’ of a human body at great height can you? Offer your services if I were you.
Highly effective protest really. We simply cannot keep burning fossil fuels and mostly that comes from industry and cars. It leads global warming through carbon release and to particulates in the air. It is a big deal. Bigger than your commute to work or leisure trip across the thames. I'd be pissed off too if I was caught in it but I mostly travel by train. But this is just a very effective protest in a much bigger picture. Many more to come I expect. Simply has to be.
Do you seriously think that what we do in our tiny insignificant island is going to have much effect? We're pissing in the wind while China, India, US etc etc ride roughshod over any attempts to change. Cars are so much cleaner than they used to be and the government here have set goals which are most likely undeliverable, but at least they're trying to do something. It's just not realistic to stop using oil immediately, the country would be ruined, and for what? The aforementioned countries will just continue to pollute unchallenged anyway. I'm all for the right of protest but to do it to the detriment of the normal citizens is simply unjust. If they want to hang off buildings or glue themselves to the floor, go do it at the Houses of Parliament, Downing Street, or outside the Chinese Embassy. The biggest irony is that the very ropes they're hanging from, keeping them alive, are made from coal and oil....
This is a massive red herring/ avoidance of responsibility on climate change. How are we expected to influence these countries (the US are actually making huge leaps with the tech on this and will soon be world leaders on this) without showing the way. We have influence through our supply chains we are seeing changes in demand patterns (particularly at large scale big businesses and governments) away from suppliers that don't meet environmental commitments to those that do which influences emissions massively in the countries where they are based. It also misses the point that if we do this first and develop the tech it will be a massive driver of economic growth as we sell green energy and green tech abroad. If we wait for others to lead the way it'll never happen and we will miss the opportunity for massive green economic growth.
I know people can't fly. Seriously, I would not want them to fall and it seems they have the skills not to fall but I think it could possibly be managed to keep cars running.
I know people can't fly. Seriously, I would not want them to fall and it seems they have the skills not to fall but I think it could possibly be managed to keep cars running.
There is no senior officer going to sanction that. If it goes tits up, that’s their job & pension gone. And I don’t blame them tbh.
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I don’t believe @Vincenzo has been saying the protests are a good thing.
I believe @Vincenzo probably has a similar view to Samuel Beckett observing the 1968 Paris riots when he said ‘never was such rightness joined to such foolishness’, I certainly think that anyway.
They are also idiots for doing it at a time when the government is a little bit pre-occupied and sort of has other priorities. Unless this is what Truss was tending to yesterday.
Not sure how to embed from my phone, but someone fired fireworks at them!!
When we protested Duchatelet at the Valley, sandwich man didn’t send in the SAS, but he had that surreal phalanx of City of London police (Burnley game) on hand. Probably has the same psychology towards our protests as many on here seem to have towards the Dartford Bridge people.
I know the Dartford one is on a huge scale of disruption and impact compared to us sitting down at the entrances to the Valley car parks, but some of the underlying features of ‘anarchy’ are the same.
1. Disruption to thousands of people's lives
2. Loss of earnings for thousands for of people
3. Enormous pollution through conjestion and diversion. (I don't know if this is momitored daily around Dartford)
4. Total loss of sympathy for their cause. Even those who are anti oil are now having second thoughts!
saw the aftermath of this yesterday afternoon. Happened passed the Swanley junction heading towards the Wrotham Junction.
RIP
I watched Frozen Planet II on Sunday and it is heartbreaking to see the dramatic effect of Climate Change on many species. The melting of ice is going to cause flooding all over the world and much of London and the UK will be affected.
Giving licences for new fossil fuels is madness, we need to move away quickly if we are to stop further damage.
Cars are so much cleaner than they used to be and the government here have set goals which are most likely undeliverable, but at least they're trying to do something.
It's just not realistic to stop using oil immediately, the country would be ruined, and for what? The aforementioned countries will just continue to pollute unchallenged anyway.
I'm all for the right of protest but to do it to the detriment of the normal citizens is simply unjust. If they want to hang off buildings or glue themselves to the floor, go do it at the Houses of Parliament, Downing Street, or outside the Chinese Embassy.
The biggest irony is that the very ropes they're hanging from, keeping them alive, are made from coal and oil....
At a social level, this tiny insignificant island as you call it was at the forefront of the last industrial revolution, has had a good living from fossil fuels, yes, but needs to be at the forefront of the next revolution. These protests are at least a helpful reminder of that.
Offer your services if I were you.
If it goes tits up, that’s their job & pension gone.
And I don’t blame them tbh.