Bergdich is not Lionel Messi but is no way as bad as some are making out .. he has hardly had time to get used to English football AND, no-one knows what he cost .. we are in 'Francis territory' here, potentially scapegoating a player for no obvious reason that I can see .. he's presumably being loaned out as Fox is very much improved and Holmes-Dennis has proved to be just made for 1st team football .. as For Sarr .. the club signed him as POTENTIAL, which he undoubtedly has .. as with Bergdich, he's hardly had time to settle .. AND .. given the supposed state of the clubs finances, sending players out on loan SAVES MONEY and keeps said player match fit
My feeling based on a ten minute conversation with KF way back when we lost at home to Birmingham was that he is at least very involved with sourcing players. He without doubt said to me and I paraphrase " I look at some players, make some recommendations. I know a lot of players." He certainly gave me the impression that he was scouting for the network.
Yes he is a football man and knows a great deal. Yes he sees players and makes recommendations but some would say (hope that this does not wake the beast of Bromley) that this means he’s a 'head of recruitment'. There are, or have been 'unknown laptop' faces recruiting players but I think/hope that they or RD/JE will concentrate on a backbone of Championship type players now and ready to play. Realistically this can only happen to January window. Let's hope they/he chooses well and the evil one pays up! COYR
Bergdich is not Lionel Messi but is no way as bad as some are making out .. he has hardly had time to get used to English football AND, no-one knows what he cost .. we are in 'Francis territory' here, potentially scapegoating a player for no obvious reason that I can see .. he's presumably being loaned out as Fox is very much improved and Holmes-Dennis has proved to be just made for 1st team football .. as For Sarr .. the club signed him as POTENTIAL, which he undoubtedly has .. as with Bergdich, he's hardly had time to settle .. AND .. given the supposed state of the clubs finances, sending players out on loan SAVES MONEY and keeps said player match fit
The WAY you TYPE is REALLY annoying
And bergdich is absolute toilet.
well excuse me for breathing, and I guess you're TYPING as one who spends a lot of time with his head down the pan staring at the future .. fecking moron
Bergdich is not Lionel Messi but is no way as bad as some are making out .. he has hardly had time to get used to English football AND, no-one knows what he cost .. we are in 'Francis territory' here, potentially scapegoating a player for no obvious reason that I can see .. he's presumably being loaned out as Fox is very much improved and Holmes-Dennis has proved to be just made for 1st team football .. as For Sarr .. the club signed him as POTENTIAL, which he undoubtedly has .. as with Bergdich, he's hardly had time to settle .. AND .. given the supposed state of the clubs finances, sending players out on loan SAVES MONEY and keeps said player match fit
lets say you are right about bergadich and sarr and they are here for the potential they have and to be good in the future. but how does any of that help us in the here and now? the number 1 priority should be to have players who can be in starting 11 to try and help us stay in the division, then add youngsters on top of that. instead they sell or get rid of any defenders who were that and not look for any replacements. we are relying on our very own youngsters in lennon, fox, holmes dennis to step up. we bring in bergadich, sarr and bauer who are all young and untested in this league. it's such an amateur mistake it's laughable.
My feeling based on a ten minute conversation with KF way back when we lost at home to Birmingham was that he is at least very involved with sourcing players. He without doubt said to me and I paraphrase " I look at some players, make some recommendations. I know a lot of players." He certainly gave me the impression that he was scouting for the network.
Yes he is a football man and knows a great deal. Yes he sees players and makes recommendations but some would say (hope that this does not wake the beast of Bromley) that this means he’s a 'head of recruitment'. There are, or have been 'unknown laptop' faces recruiting players but I think/hope that they or RD/JE will concentrate on a backbone of Championship type players now and ready to play. Realistically this can only happen to January window. Let's hope they/he chooses well and the evil one pays up! COYR
Bergdich is not Lionel Messi but is no way as bad as some are making out .. he has hardly had time to get used to English football AND, no-one knows what he cost .. we are in 'Francis territory' here, potentially scapegoating a player for no obvious reason that I can see .. he's presumably being loaned out as Fox is very much improved and Holmes-Dennis has proved to be just made for 1st team football .. as For Sarr .. the club signed him as POTENTIAL, which he undoubtedly has .. as with Bergdich, he's hardly had time to settle .. AND .. given the supposed state of the clubs finances, sending players out on loan SAVES MONEY and keeps said player match fit
lets say you are right about bergadich and sarr and they are here for the potential they have and to be good in the future. but how does any of that help us in the here and now? the number 1 priority should be to have players who can be in starting 11 to try and help us stay in the division, then add youngsters on top of that. instead they sell or get rid of any defenders who were that and bring in youngsters. we are relying on our very own youngsters in lennon, fox, holmes dennis to step up. we bring in bergadich, sarr and bauer who are all young and untested in this league. it's such an amateur mistake it's laughable, it really is.
I would agree with much of what you type .. I TYPED a long way up the page that the 'regime' has made a lot of fuck ups over the past few months as well as some good decisions .. loaning out Harriott looks bad now because he's done so well at Colchester, the same may apply to Lennon who's come back more experienced and match fit (except he's now crocked of course) .. as to the here and now .. any business, be it a corner shop or a pro FC needs to look to the future, to sign 'staff' deemed to have potential .. Bergdich being loaned out is probably to allow funds to be freed up for an incoming player next month, let's hope so .. CAFC seems to be being run on pretty austere lines to save us from bankruptcy perhaps, I don't know .. BUT .. employing players is very expensive .. do the sums .. players hanging around doing nothing are a drag on resources I would hope that Harriott is recalled a s a p, that Lennon recovers from injury and proves to be the very good player I saw last season and that Bergdich, Sarr and whoever else prove in the longer term to be good investments .. if not, we will not be the first nor the last club to make mistakes when it comes to player purchases .. last point .. the new youngsters .. have you seen Holmes-Dennis and Lookman play ? .. they are terrific ..also we've blooded Kennedy this season .. this all augers VERY well for the future
Maybe @LouisMend can ask Carol at his next press junket..."Carol, just for clarity can you please state which players you've personally recommended the club should sign?" - and then just hold back the laughter....
Bergdich is not Lionel Messi but is no way as bad as some are making out .. he has hardly had time to get used to English football AND, no-one knows what he cost .. we are in 'Francis territory' here, potentially scapegoating a player for no obvious reason that I can see .. he's presumably being loaned out as Fox is very much improved and Holmes-Dennis has proved to be just made for 1st team football .. as For Sarr .. the club signed him as POTENTIAL, which he undoubtedly has .. as with Bergdich, he's hardly had time to settle .. AND .. given the supposed state of the clubs finances, sending players out on loan SAVES MONEY and keeps said player match fit
The WAY you TYPE is REALLY annoying
And bergdich is absolute toilet.
well excuse me for breathing, and I guess you're TYPING as one who spends a lot of time with his head down the pan staring at the future .. fecking moron
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
@Fortune 82nd Minutemate .. this post of yours, like mine is mere conjecture .. and I am always serious ((:>) .. anyway, players sold = cash in at the very worst, we hope
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
I'm not saying you're wrong but if you're right, what exactly is the point ? Why bother with all the hassle Roland. Club going nowhere. Unlikely to sell enough talent to ever break even. No fans.
Bergdich is not Lionel Messi but is no way as bad as some are making out .. he has hardly had time to get used to English football AND, no-one knows what he cost .. we are in 'Francis territory' here, potentially scapegoating a player for no obvious reason that I can see .. he's presumably being loaned out as Fox is very much improved and Holmes-Dennis has proved to be just made for 1st team football .. as For Sarr .. the club signed him as POTENTIAL, which he undoubtedly has .. as with Bergdich, he's hardly had time to settle .. AND .. given the supposed state of the clubs finances, sending players out on loan SAVES MONEY and keeps said player match fit
The WAY you TYPE is REALLY annoying
And bergdich is absolute toilet.
well excuse me for breathing, and I guess you're TYPING as one who spends a lot of time with his head down the pan staring at the future .. fecking moron
Now where's that argument alert thread
just my thought .. don't mind being hated, mistreated, abused and libelled on there cos I never read it ((:>)
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
I'm not saying you're wrong but if you're right, what exactly is the point ? Why bother with all the hassle Roland. Club going nowhere. Unlikely to sell enough talent to ever break even. No fans.
fair enough (what's happened to the blue highlighter?) .. enuf .. I can't go on .. I'm gonna commit hari kari (or whatever the feck it's called)
@Lincsaddick said 'fair enough (what's happened to the blue highlighter?) .. enuf .. I can't go on .. I'm gonna commit hari kari (or whatever the feck it's called)'
Don't do it Lincs it could be worse we could be up the creek without a paddle......Oh hang on a minute
@Lincsaddick said 'fair enough (what's happened to the blue highlighter?) .. enuf .. I can't go on .. I'm gonna commit hari kari (or whatever the feck it's called)'
Don't do it Lincs it could be worse we could be up the creek without a paddle......Oh hang on a minute
hahahahaha .. my paddling days are long gone ..nowadays I'm more of an outboard motor man f .. now where did that petrol can go ?
A classic example of why you can't choose players from stats.
A judgement has to be made as to whether the player is suited to the level of football he's going into; whether he's suited to the physical nature of the football at that level; whether he fits into the system and pattern of play you are trying to establish; whether he can cope with two games a week. Only experienced managers/ coaches and scouts can do that. You won't get that from stats or metrics.
Potential signings should also be watched at home and away, to see how they cope in adversity. Bottle is another characteristic that shouldn't be under-estimated.
The Belgians are still not getting the English Championship is above the level of the second level in Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, etc.
"He may well NOW want Yann back but I never questioned that".
Oh Lord, don't tell me that now another demonstration is planned for Saturday, the club are going to float a rumour on the morning of the game that they want to re-sign Yann on loan?
Only so many times that is believable. (Actually there aren't any).
Probably try and get Yann back to quieten people down and kick start Target 20k
Good point. Curbs always reckoned that he watched a player in at least two home and two away games before he made a decision. Some players do disappear when the pressures on, that won't be featured in their Youtube video I suspect.
Doubt if we will sell Bergdich as he is a bit of a headless chicken. He is quite skilful, energetic and speedy so he may re-emerge after a long loan spell. Maybe Orient will take him on... Sarr also needs to be loaned out so that he can get the hang of the English game, although I think his problem is having quick players run straight at him.
"He may well NOW want Yann back but I never questioned that".
Oh Lord, don't tell me that now another demonstration is planned for Saturday, the club are going to float a rumour on the morning of the game that they want to re-sign Yann on loan?
Only so many times that is believable. (Actually there aren't any).
Probably try and get Yann back to quieten people down and kick start Target 20k
At the moment we don't especially need Yann back.
It's experienced centre backs like Morrison, TBH and Roger Johnson that we desperately need
I've said it before, If I was Duchatelet I'd be grilling the geniuses who keep recruiting substandard players. It's costing him a lot more than free coffee in Crossbars which Katrien pinpointed as one of the drains on resources.
I was lead to believe that the head of recruitment was Karel Fraeye.
Henry, yet again you repeat the claim that Karel Fraeye you "believe" was head of recruitment. In another post ( http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/2306364/#Comment_2306364) you said that this was a 'fact' but you never replied, so here is your opportunity to do so (with respect). I believe this not to be true and I do not think that it helps to spread unsubstantiated 'facts' which may result in the growing not very pleasant atmosphere at the valley deteriating further when the team needs more support rather than less or muted support.
That's your right.
I believe he was the person responsible for scouting the Charlton team on behalf of RD before Chris Powell had left, was the person who said that Polish Pete was more than adequate replacement for Yann and who remained the head of the data analysis recruitment team all through the time Roland has owned the club.
I have been told this by multiple sources, his statements to fans and his continued employment by the network back this up.
You can choose not to believe me or you may wish to draw a different conclusion. I stick with my belief that that was, and possibly still is, his role.
I'd heard he was one of the two but not the main protagonist - but I can't name the one who I was told was (nothing sinister, I just can't remember).
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
@Fortune 82nd Minutemate .. this post of yours, like mine is mere conjecture .. and I am always serious ((:>) .. anyway, players sold = cash in at the very worst, we hope
Bergdich is not Lionel Messi but is no way as bad as some are making out .. he has hardly had time to get used to English football AND, no-one knows what he cost .. we are in 'Francis territory' here, potentially scapegoating a player for no obvious reason that I can see .. he's presumably being loaned out as Fox is very much improved and Holmes-Dennis has proved to be just made for 1st team football .. as For Sarr .. the club signed him as POTENTIAL, which he undoubtedly has .. as with Bergdich, he's hardly had time to settle .. AND .. given the supposed state of the clubs finances, sending players out on loan SAVES MONEY and keeps said player match fit
The WAY you TYPE is REALLY annoying
And bergdich is absolute toilet.
well excuse me for breathing, and I guess you're TYPING as one who spends a lot of time with his head down the pan staring at the future .. fecking moron
Now where's that argument alert thread
just my thought .. don't mind being hated, mistreated, abused and libelled on there cos I never read it ((:>)
I've said it before, If I was Duchatelet I'd be grilling the geniuses who keep recruiting substandard players. It's costing him a lot more than free coffee in Crossbars which Katrien pinpointed as one of the drains on resources.
I was lead to believe that the head of recruitment was Karel Fraeye.
Henry, yet again you repeat the claim that Karel Fraeye you "believe" was head of recruitment. In another post ( http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/2306364/#Comment_2306364) you said that this was a 'fact' but you never replied, so here is your opportunity to do so (with respect). I believe this not to be true and I do not think that it helps to spread unsubstantiated 'facts' which may result in the growing not very pleasant atmosphere at the valley deteriating further when the team needs more support rather than less or muted support.
That's your right.
I believe he was the person responsible for scouting the Charlton team on behalf of RD before Chris Powell had left, was the person who said that Polish Pete was more than adequate replacement for Yann and who remained the head of the data analysis recruitment team all through the time Roland has owned the club.
I have been told this by multiple sources, his statements to fans and his continued employment by the network back this up.
You can choose not to believe me or you may wish to draw a different conclusion. I stick with my belief that that was, and possibly still is, his role.
I'd heard he was one of the two but not the main protagonist - but I can't name the one who I was told was (nothing sinister, I just can't remember).
If Naby Sarr is worth 1.8m then there's hope for every lower league player out there.
Tbf to Sarr, who is quite obviously error prone, he's still young and learning. It's a difficult league to come into, especially as a young central defender chucked into a circus of a club, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. From what I've seen there is a potentially good player in a few years. Learning from a class act like Diarra will help him. It's just a shame we don't really have a stable atmosphere to bring on players like him at the moment.
Maybe true, but the player you describe should never have cost £1.8m.
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And bergdich is absolute toilet.
i've just had this fecking tribal tattoo done which translates as 'Bergdich rules'.
Let's hope they/he chooses well and the evil one pays up!
COYR
instead they sell or get rid of any defenders who were that and not look for any replacements. we are relying on our very own youngsters in lennon, fox, holmes dennis to step up. we bring in bergadich, sarr and bauer who are all young and untested in this league. it's such an amateur mistake it's laughable.
.. as to the here and now .. any business, be it a corner shop or a pro FC needs to look to the future, to sign 'staff' deemed to have potential .. Bergdich being loaned out is probably to allow funds to be freed up for an incoming player next month, let's hope so .. CAFC seems to be being run on pretty austere lines to save us from bankruptcy perhaps, I don't know .. BUT .. employing players is very expensive .. do the sums .. players hanging around doing nothing are a drag on resources
I would hope that Harriott is recalled a s a p, that Lennon recovers from injury and proves to be the very good player I saw last season and that Bergdich, Sarr and whoever else prove in the longer term to be good investments .. if not, we will not be the first nor the last club to make mistakes when it comes to player purchases ..
last point .. the new youngsters .. have you seen Holmes-Dennis and Lookman play ? .. they are terrific ..also we've blooded Kennedy this season .. this all augers VERY well for the future
You're surely not serious?
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
You're surely not serious?
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
@Fortune 82nd Minute mate .. this post of yours, like mine is mere conjecture .. and I am always serious ((:>) .. anyway, players sold = cash in at the very worst, we hope
You're surely not serious?
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan. @Lincsaddick
You're surely not serious?
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
I'm not saying you're wrong but if you're right, what exactly is the point ? Why bother with all the hassle Roland. Club going nowhere. Unlikely to sell enough talent to ever break even. No fans.
You're surely not serious?
Lookman will be gone in January (or if we hang on to him then, then in the summer) and Holmes-Dennis will follow him out the door soon after.
Kennedy is a long way from being a serious first-teamer at the moment.
No point pinning your hopes on emerging talent. RD will sell them off at the first opportunity to recover some of his losses - all part of the plan.
I'm not saying you're wrong but if you're right, what exactly is the point ? Why bother with all the hassle Roland. Club going nowhere. Unlikely to sell enough talent to ever break even. No fans.
fair enough (what's happened to the blue highlighter?) .. enuf .. I can't go on .. I'm gonna commit hari kari (or whatever the feck it's called)
Don't do it Lincs it could be worse we could be up the creek without a paddle......Oh hang on a minute
A judgement has to be made as to whether the player is suited to the level of football he's going into; whether he's suited to the physical nature of the football at that level; whether he fits into the system and pattern of play you are trying to establish; whether he can cope with two games a week. Only experienced managers/ coaches and scouts can do that. You won't get that from stats or metrics.
Potential signings should also be watched at home and away, to see how they cope in adversity. Bottle is another characteristic that shouldn't be under-estimated.
The Belgians are still not getting the English Championship is above the level of the second level in Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, etc.
Sarr also needs to be loaned out so that he can get the hang of the English game, although I think his problem is having quick players run straight at him.
It's experienced centre backs like Morrison, TBH and Roger Johnson that we desperately need
But is what we do with the money that worries me.
We were all saying this about Bulot this time last year and now we all wish he was here!