Over the 4 games I've seen Nick has stepped up to the plate, as has the whole team, his coach will work on cutting out errors in his game, namely shot spilling, but I love his confidence on catch crosses , he's miles ahead already for me of Thuram!
I can't make my mind up over this fella. Two great saves against Rotherham last Saturday earned us a point. Tonight he didn't have much to do. At fault for first goal. Tried to parry when he should have dived. Stuck in between. Then lined up a wall with the three tallest fellas in the team plus Tony Watt. Guess what ? Ball gets curled over watts head and in the back of net. Don't think the free kick was that special. He is too inconsistent. How long can he keep making errors ? Our best keeper is currently at Cheltenham.
I think he has potential, however he needs to be somewhere that his potential can be slowly nurtured and that's got to be on loan at a lower league club for the next year or two. Nick Pope being our number one choice (right now) is helping neither party.
I can't make my mind up over this fella. Two great saves against Rotherham last Saturday earned us a point. Tonight he didn't have much to do. At fault for first goal. Tried to parry when he should have dived. Stuck in between. Then lined up a wall with the three tallest fellas in the team plus Tony Watt. Guess what ? Ball gets curled over watts head and in the back of net. Don't think the free kick was that special. He is too inconsistent. How long can he keep making errors ? Our best keeper is currently at Cheltenham.
I'd suggest he's in the treatment room. Not for much longer, I hope. The question is whether the second best one isn't the one helping Alcorcon to an excellent start.
Had his best game for us on Saturday but have said it before and will say it again - he will cost us points. I don't get a kick out of it because he is one of our own, but he isn't good enough to play week in and week out in the Championship as he has been during Henderson's injury.
People seem to forget and forgive the striker that misses the sitter. And amnesia strikes too with regards to the world class saves that this keeper made in the last match to save us a point.
I would also encourage all those who blame Pope for tonight's defeat to watch the goals again. Then tell me whether Fox should have made the tackle and whether Solly should have tracked the goalscorer for the first and also whether the wall jumped out of the way of the ball for the second.
It's a shame. I'm sure he will be a good goalkeeper one day. But until that day comes we can't keep putting him through this. We offered Brad Jones a grand a week. No wonder he went to Bradford.
He's a keeper, so every error he makes will cost us, unfortunately he makes errors far too often. The first goal was a huge cock up, not seen the 2nd one again so i'll reserve judgement. He also nearly threw away the 3 points against Hull with a stupid mistake, that's 2 goal costing errors in 8 league matches, without thinking of any others he may have gotten away with! He made a good few last year aswell, so it's not like he's just having a bad run.
Forget about the 'world class' saves he's made, they're not, they're good, solid saves but it's not as though he has 9 worldy games and then 1 poor game out of 10. He's simply not good enough, while he's in the side we'll struggle to make play offs. I'm not sure how the board didn't get another keeper done as a priority once Hendo was confirmed out for a while.
People seem to forget and forgive the striker that misses the sitter. And amnesia strikes too with regards to the world class saves that this keeper made in the last match to save us a point.
I would also encourage all those who blame Pope for tonight's defeat to watch the goals again. Then tell me whether Fox should have made the tackle and whether Solly should have tracked the goalscorer for the first and also whether the wall jumped out of the way of the ball for the second.
Keepers are judged differently though and it's not particularly unfair to do so. Every goalkeeper who makes it professional is a good shot stopper as that is the one skill that gets them put in goal, the good ones can organise defenses, keep concentration for the whole game, strong in the air etc. Henderson can do those things and Pope can't (except good in the air), but basic concentration errors aren't acceptable. Maybe with time/games they will improve but whilst we are flirting with the playoffs we can't afford to deal with his growing pains.
Weaver made the odd great save, Elliot did, Hamer did, it's what most goalkeepers do.
Had his best game for us on Saturday but have said it before and will say it again - he will cost us points. I don't get a kick out of it because he is one of our own, but he isn't good enough to play week in and week out in the Championship as he has been during Henderson's injury.
People seem to forget and forgive the striker that misses the sitter. And amnesia strikes too with regards to the world class saves that this keeper made in the last match to save us a point.
I would also encourage all those who blame Pope for tonight's defeat to watch the goals again. Then tell me whether Fox should have made the tackle and whether Solly should have tracked the goalscorer for the first and also whether the wall jumped out of the way of the ball for the second.
Keepers are judged differently though and it's not particularly unfair to do so. Every goalkeeper who makes it professional is a good shot stopper as that is the one skill that gets them put in goal, the good ones can organise defenses, keep concentration for the whole game, strong in the air etc. Henderson can do those things and Pope can't (except good in the air), but basic concentration errors aren't acceptable. Maybe with time/games they will improve but whilst we are flirting with the playoffs we can't afford to deal with his growing pains.
Weaver made the odd great save, Elliot did, Hamer did, it's what most goalkeepers do.
I don't disagree with anything you say and Pope does need replacing before his confidence is totally shot to pieces.
However, the first goal was only one third his fault. Plenty of people have pointed out that Fox missed the tackle (but then they would because he is another favourite crowd target - again he needs to be rested) but I haven't seen one other person slate Solly for his role in the goal. Perhaps because he is a "favoured" one.
Who were the two who jumped out of the way of the ball in the wall because surely they should be dropped too.
Equally Mak and Ba both failed to miss the target by a country mile when it should have been easier to score. That is their job isn't it?
I lost count the number of times Watt lost possession and in one or two cases that meant that not only did we lose the chance to create a meaningful opportunity to score but could have resulted in a goal on the counter to them.
Kashi several times made poor passes resulting in a "turnover".
JBG did an incredible reprise of the invisible man in the second half.
Cousins was frequently caught out of position leaving Fox on his own on the left.
Sarr and Bauer stupidly gave away free kicks in dangerous areas because they allowed themselves to be bullied by Miller.
All those players made mistakes. The trouble with fans is that they are more forgiving of the ones they like and less the ones they don't. But the former are rarely as good as they are portrayed and the latter never as bad.
So, in summary, Pope and Fox need to be rested before they do totally implode. But let's not pretend that they were the only culpable ones last night because they weren't. And who exactly from our current squad is going to play in their positions because it isn't their fault that we don't have obvious replacements. Or do we blame them for that too and we vent our spleen on them because we are trying to send a message to GL/RD?
Everyone makes mistakes in games it's just that some players keep making mistakes in most games if not every game......that's why certain players get singled out over others.......that's my theory anyway
Its easy to have a pop at Pope, but the first goal has hammered downward, I doubt many keepers in our league would have done much better. as for the free kick some go in some dont. What does worry me is that in the second half they had another free kick, Pope was trying to organise the wall and not one of the 3 in the wall listened to him, he doesn't seem to have the authority required as a keep, he kinda shrugged his shoulders and waited for the shot. That said and done, he is still a Championship keeper.
Its easy to have a pop at Pope, but the first goal has hammered downward, I doubt many keepers in our league would have done much better. as for the ferric some go in some dont. What does worry me is that in the second half they had another free kick, Pope was trying to organise the wall and not one of the 3 in the wall listened to him, he doesn't seem to have the authority required as a keep, he kinda shrugged his shoulders and waited for the shot. That said and done, he is still a Championship keeper.
The shot that lead to the game was hit into the ground so bounced up, yes Pope should have been stronger but at the same time, it wasnt too dissimilar from the shot the Sheffield Wednesday player had in the Cup against us, although that shot deflected off of Morrison, Hamer was still going down and had to adjust to leap and palm it away which was one of the best saves I've ever seem
Had Pope kept the shot out last night it wouldnt have been much different to Hamer's save albeit without the deflection.
Had his best game for us on Saturday but have said it before and will say it again - he will cost us points. I don't get a kick out of it because he is one of our own, but he isn't good enough to play week in and week out in the Championship as he has been during Henderson's injury.
Had his best game for us on Saturday but have said it before and will say it again - he will cost us points. I don't get a kick out of it because he is one of our own, but he isn't good enough to play week in and week out in the Championship as he has been during Henderson's injury.
People seem to forget and forgive the striker that misses the sitter. And amnesia strikes too with regards to the world class saves that this keeper made in the last match to save us a point.
I would also encourage all those who blame Pope for tonight's defeat to watch the goals again. Then tell me whether Fox should have made the tackle and whether Solly should have tracked the goalscorer for the first and also whether the wall jumped out of the way of the ball for the second.
I'm sorry but I can't agree with any of this. to describe Pope's saves on Saturday as "world class" is ridiculous hyperbole. To describe something as world class there is an implication that only a very few keepers on the globe could have made the save: Gordon Bank's save against Pele in 1970 probably falls into that category. Pope's saves were good and nearly everyone has acknowledged that but most keepers throughout the football league will make equally good saves on quite a few occasions in any given season.
To try and excuse Pope by saying that defenders were also at fault in the build up to the goals misses the point. The goalkeeper is meant to be the last line of defence and he is allowed to use his hands. Almost by definition a goalkeeper is meant to do his job when the rest of the defence has failed to prevent the opposition getting a shot on target. Both of the goals last night were eminently saveable and I believe that a good confident Championship keeper such as Henderson would've saved both of them.
I have no wish to denigrate Pope and I hope both for Charlton's and his own sake that he makes the grade but at the moment he is not good enough.
Still think he perhaps could have claimed that corner against Rotherham (although I know most disagree). He is so unsure of himself now and that must be seeping its way into the back four and beyond. On numerous occasions last night he seemed to be in two minds when crosses came in. Not saying that it's all his fault or that he played worse than anyone else, but if we had a more assured stopper in there over these last two matches we'd probably be three points better off. The first goal is so important in so many of these league fixtures and one way or another we have to work to eradicate basic individual errors as one mistake means we are chasing the game and we completely lack the guile, know-how and creativity to break down stubborn teams once they're in the lead.
Didn't see that he was totally at fault for the first goal.
Having said that with Henderson playing I would have expected 5 more points.
Pope's record so far:
clean sheet against QPR =0 1 goal against Derby=0 bottom left no chance Forest clean sheet=0 Hull spilled close range shot we won so points cost=0 Wolves 1st goal pin ball in front by defenders not clear cut 2nd goal put in corner by le fondre, no chance=0 Rotherham corner to blame with rest of defense=-1 2 worldy save in same match= +1 Huddersfield i would say he may of cost us a point=-1
Result is -1 point at worst because the Rotherham game and Huddersfield game should cancel each other out.
His record as a number 2 goalkeeper is decent. I must of missed the goals Henderson scored for us ? I hope Stephen Henderson is fit for selection soon and can stay injury free this time.
Unless you watch every other champ keeper by what standards are you Judging ? Nick pope has made less mistakes than Rob Green this season and he's still rated in the top 5 English Keepers.
Its easy to have a pop at Pope, but the first goal has hammered downward, I doubt many keepers in our league would have done much better. as for the free kick some go in some dont.
You doubt many of the Championship goalkeepers would be able to stop this from being a goal (which is better)!? David de Gea or a League Two keeper in goal, that's very poor goalkeeping.
He tries to catch it, that in itself is an error as he wasn't in line with the shot, MOST Championship goalkeepers would be saving that I can say very confidently
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I would also encourage all those who blame Pope for tonight's defeat to watch the goals again. Then tell me whether Fox should have made the tackle and whether Solly should have tracked the goalscorer for the first and also whether the wall jumped out of the way of the ball for the second.
Having said that with Henderson playing I would have expected 5 more points.
Forget about the 'world class' saves he's made, they're not, they're good, solid saves but it's not as though he has 9 worldy games and then 1 poor game out of 10. He's simply not good enough, while he's in the side we'll struggle to make play offs. I'm not sure how the board didn't get another keeper done as a priority once Hendo was confirmed out for a while.
Weaver made the odd great save, Elliot did, Hamer did, it's what most goalkeepers do.
However, the first goal was only one third his fault. Plenty of people have pointed out that Fox missed the tackle (but then they would because he is another favourite crowd target - again he needs to be rested) but I haven't seen one other person slate Solly for his role in the goal. Perhaps because he is a "favoured" one.
Who were the two who jumped out of the way of the ball in the wall because surely they should be dropped too.
Equally Mak and Ba both failed to miss the target by a country mile when it should have been easier to score. That is their job isn't it?
I lost count the number of times Watt lost possession and in one or two cases that meant that not only did we lose the chance to create a meaningful opportunity to score but could have resulted in a goal on the counter to them.
Kashi several times made poor passes resulting in a "turnover".
JBG did an incredible reprise of the invisible man in the second half.
Cousins was frequently caught out of position leaving Fox on his own on the left.
Sarr and Bauer stupidly gave away free kicks in dangerous areas because they allowed themselves to be bullied by Miller.
All those players made mistakes. The trouble with fans is that they are more forgiving of the ones they like and less the ones they don't. But the former are rarely as good as they are portrayed and the latter never as bad.
So, in summary, Pope and Fox need to be rested before they do totally implode. But let's not pretend that they were the only culpable ones last night because they weren't. And who exactly from our current squad is going to play in their positions because it isn't their fault that we don't have obvious replacements. Or do we blame them for that too and we vent our spleen on them because we are trying to send a message to GL/RD?
What does worry me is that in the second half they had another free kick, Pope was trying to organise the wall and not one of the 3 in the wall listened to him, he doesn't seem to have the authority required as a keep, he kinda shrugged his shoulders and waited for the shot.
That said and done, he is still a Championship keeper.
Had Pope kept the shot out last night it wouldnt have been much different to Hamer's save albeit without the deflection.
All I was saying that I don't get a good feeling out of criticizing one of our own players. Not sure what the point is you're getting at?
To try and excuse Pope by saying that defenders were also at fault in the build up to the goals misses the point. The goalkeeper is meant to be the last line of defence and he is allowed to use his hands. Almost by definition a goalkeeper is meant to do his job when the rest of the defence has failed to prevent the opposition getting a shot on target. Both of the goals last night were eminently saveable and I believe that a good confident Championship keeper such as Henderson would've saved both of them.
I have no wish to denigrate Pope and I hope both for Charlton's and his own sake that he makes the grade but at the moment he is not good enough.
However, the save from the header on Saturday was, IMO, top, top notch.
clean sheet against QPR =0
1 goal against Derby=0
bottom left no chance
Forest clean sheet=0
Hull spilled close range shot
we won so points cost=0
Wolves 1st goal pin ball in front by defenders
not clear cut
2nd goal put in corner by le fondre, no chance=0
Rotherham corner to blame with rest of defense=-1
2 worldy save in same match= +1
Huddersfield i would say he may of cost us a point=-1
Result is -1 point at worst because the Rotherham game and Huddersfield game
should cancel each other out.
His record as a number 2 goalkeeper is decent.
I must of missed the goals Henderson scored for us ?
I hope Stephen Henderson is fit for selection soon and can stay injury free this time.
Yes he has made errors (costly)...but honestly would anyone say he isn't a Championship quality keeper.
Nick pope has made less mistakes than Rob Green this season and he's still rated
in the top 5 English Keepers.
You doubt many of the Championship goalkeepers would be able to stop this from being a goal (which is better)!? David de Gea or a League Two keeper in goal, that's very poor goalkeeping.
He tries to catch it, that in itself is an error as he wasn't in line with the shot, MOST Championship goalkeepers would be saving that I can say very confidently