the last ten league games SCP managed us he gained 9 points he had to be sacked....
although I often wonder why he wasn't sacked the season before when he managed just 8 points from ten games and we slid down the table ......but the owners held on to him and in the next 8 games that followed we won 5 and drew 3 to finish the season off in 9th place, our highest finish in The Championship since we left the Prem
Powell he won a league title in his first full season in football management.
He didn't get the backing to improve on the squad he had - after finishing 9th.
We had like 3 or 4 games in hand when bottom along with FA cup run.
Turns out new owners had the money to keep us afloat but were even worse then the previous. Like being forced to sell your soul to the devil in order to stay alive. In the long term it's actually quite shit.
Can't say that if Powell didn't get sacked, just don't know, but the working relationship at that time between owner and manager was not very good and supportive at all....very evident on the pitch against Sheffield United. Though the players and management still must be blamed for that it was terrible.
Greenie in Powell is a crap manager shock! We get it, you don't rate him. You've posted more than anyone else in this thread so maybe time to 'move on' as you used to put it.
You dig out the game at daggers being woeful but when he actually put together his own team we won their 2-1 and it must have been some fluke as we managed to secure 101 points that season.
Things are so much better now though aren't they, performances have massively improved since he left. Bizarre.
It said it all to me the massive reception he got on his return to the valley and you could see that most fans appreciate and love this Charlton legend for what he has given to our club over the years. If you can't feel that then I genuinely feel sorry for you.
Greenie in Powell is a crap manager shock! We get it, you don't rate him. You've posted more than anyone else in this thread so maybe time to 'move on' as you used to put it.
You dig out the game at daggers being woeful but when he actually put together his own team we won their 2-1 and it must have been some fluke as we managed to secure 101 points that season.
Things are so much better now though aren't they, performances have massively improved since he left. Bizarre.
It said it all to me the massive reception he got on his return to the valley and you could see that most fans appreciate and love this Charlton legend for what he has given to our club over the years. If you can't feel that then I genuinely feel sorry for you.
You say I have posted more about Powell than anyone else but you obviously haven't read how I feel about Powell the man. Myopia is a terrible disease and you have my sympathy! Genuinely!
When I win the Euromillions and buy the club, he will be appointed manager with Curbs as director of football and I can get slagged off by a minority on here as we storm up the league!
Usually I say don't look back & don't re-employ an ex-manager (its like an ex-gf - never the same as the 1st time) BUT SCP knows the club inside out & like Stevie Brown bleeds red & white........probably the only person who COULD turn this mess around & he would be doing for all the right reasons.........to get OUR Charlton back.
At this point in time he is the only answer. Whoever is at the meeting on Friday with RM& KM MUST ask them to get him back.
Usually I say don't look back & don't re-employ an ex-manager (its like an ex-gf - never the same as the 1st time) BUT SCP knows the club inside out & like Stevie Brown bleeds red & white........probably the only person who COULD turn this mess around & he would be doing for all the right reasons.........to get OUR Charlton back.
At this point in time he is the only answer. Whoever is at the meeting on Friday with RM& KM MUST ask them to get him back.
I predict it will be a very quiet meeting on Friday .
And a huge surprise to KM & RM when no-one turns up.....
Usually I say don't look back & don't re-employ an ex-manager (its like an ex-gf - never the same as the 1st time) BUT SCP knows the club inside out & like Stevie Brown bleeds red & white........probably the only person who COULD turn this mess around & he would be doing for all the right reasons.........to get OUR Charlton back.
At this point in time he is the only answer. Whoever is at the meeting on Friday with RM& KM MUST ask them to get him back.
He's just been sacked for playing boring, non attacking football and not getting enough points......but we MUST get him back
Usually I say don't look back & don't re-employ an ex-manager (its like an ex-gf - never the same as the 1st time) BUT SCP knows the club inside out & like Stevie Brown bleeds red & white........probably the only person who COULD turn this mess around & he would be doing for all the right reasons.........to get OUR Charlton back.
At this point in time he is the only answer. Whoever is at the meeting on Friday with RM& KM MUST ask them to get him back.
He's just been sacked for playing boring, non attacking football and not getting enough points......but we MUST get him back
Would have taken 2 goals and a point at MK Dons last night.
Usually I say don't look back & don't re-employ an ex-manager (its like an ex-gf - never the same as the 1st time) BUT SCP knows the club inside out & like Stevie Brown bleeds red & white........probably the only person who COULD turn this mess around & he would be doing for all the right reasons.........to get OUR Charlton back.
At this point in time he is the only answer. Whoever is at the meeting on Friday with RM& KM MUST ask them to get him back.
He's just been sacked for playing boring, non attacking football and not getting enough points......but we MUST get him back
Would have taken 2 goals and a point at MK Dons last night.
I'd have preferred less salt on my chips but that's not important right now
When I win the Euromillions and buy the club, he will be appointed manager with Curbs as director of football and I can get slagged off by a minority on here as we storm up the league!
but as a new owner you immediately can do no wrong........ so even if you pulled the Sam Bartram statue down , re named the South Stand, reduced the portion of chips size down to 12 , changed the home kit to blue, moved our home games to 3am on a Thursday , opened the ticket office 24-7 , there will be the usual suspects on here ready to blow smoke up your arse and shout down anyone who dare be critical of your radical new approach to us
Powell bought in Stephens, Kermy, Morro, Dervite, Hamer and Wiggins for something like £1M I would guess and gave Poyet (and Cousins?) his first start.
Imagine if, instead of selling them and sacking him we had given him £8.9M to spend strengthening and complimenting that squad (isn't that what Mr Douch was claiming to have spent on players?).
Does anyone genuinely believe we would currently be in the same position we are now?
As for the job he has done at Huddersfield, I would be intrigued to know where their budget compares in the league... It would not surprise me in the least if he was over performing on that basis, especially having made money on transfer dealings during his time there.
Ultimately, in a purely selfish way I think his sacking is good for us. Brings another team (Huddersfield) straight back into the relegation fight IMO.
When we went up to the Championship Powell wanted Yannick Bolasie, Jason Shackell, Dean Hammond, Stephen Quinn and Sone Aluko. Every single one of them subsequently went on to play Premiership football with teams that got promoted and were central parts those squads. One of my biggest disappointments as a Charlton fan is that we lost that momentum going up with Cash pulling his funding out. We finished 3 points off the play-offs with Pritchard, Wagstaff and Obika in our team. Imagine what we could have done with the players Powell wanted.
Huddersfield Town chief exec on why Chris Powell had to go - and what they want in new boss 12:49, 4 NOV 2015 BY ROBERT SUTCLIFFE Powell's dismissal was confirmed at 10am this morning, just 12 hours after the team drew 2-2 at Reading in the Championship.
Huddersfield today admitted it had been a "tough" decision to sack manager Chris Powell.
But the club's chief executive Nigel Clibbens said there had been a number of concerns about the way the team was operating under the former Charlton man.
Powell's dismissal was confirmed at 10am this morning, just 12 hours after the team drew 2-2 at Reading in the Championship.
Mr Clibbens said: "We have thought long and hard about the decision.
"We think we need to go down a different path and that is why we have made the change now.
"There are concerns about the way we are developing players and the way we go about our business.
"I think Chris was very disappointed, and understandably so, but he understands why we have taken this action.
"Looking ahead to the Leeds game Mark Lillis will be in charge and him and there will be a bit of spice with him and Steve Evans on the touchline. Mark scored the winner against Leeds back in 1984".
He said there was a feeling the team ought to be prepared to take more of a risk on the field.
"We are looking for someone who is able to take us forward. We want to get a bit of excitement back".
When we went up to the Championship Powell wanted Yannick Bolasie, Jason Shackell, Dean Hammond, Stephen Quinn and Sone Aluko. Every single one of them subsequently went on to play Premiership football with teams that got promoted and were central parts those squads. One of my biggest disappointments as a Charlton fan is that we lost that momentum going up with Cash pulling his funding out. We finished 3 points off the play-offs with Pritchard, Wagstaff and Obika in our team. Imagine what we could have done with the players Powell wanted.
As impressive as that list is it is it's not the identifying of the players that is the most difficult, it's paying for them. As great as the League One season was, and I take nothing away from Chris Powell, it was identified before the season started, by the rivals for promotion, that we had signed all the best players in the division. It is a lot easier to be successful when you have a much better squad than the teams you are competing against. In fact there is an argument that with the same squad finishing 9th the season after anything other than walking League One would have been a failure.
I'm just putting a different slant on it as I don't believe that Powell was a fantastic manager or a rubbish one. He was somewhere in between and many of the posters on here seem to have one polar view or the other.
When we went up to the Championship Powell wanted Yannick Bolasie, Jason Shackell, Dean Hammond, Stephen Quinn and Sone Aluko. Every single one of them subsequently went on to play Premiership football with teams that got promoted and were central parts those squads. One of my biggest disappointments as a Charlton fan is that we lost that momentum going up with Cash pulling his funding out. We finished 3 points off the play-offs with Pritchard, Wagstaff and Obika in our team. Imagine what we could have done with the players Powell wanted.
As impressive as that list is it is it's not the identifying of the players that is the most difficult, it's paying for them. As great as the League One season was, and I take nothing away from Chris Powell, it was identified before the season started, by the rivals for promotion, that we had signed all the best players in the division. It is a lot easier to be successful when you have a much better squad than the teams you are competing against. In fact there is an argument that with the same squad finishing 9th the season after anything other than walking League One would have been a failure.
I'm just putting a different slant on it as I don't believe that Powell was a fantastic manager or a rubbish one. He was somewhere in between and many of the posters on here seem to have one polar view or the other.
But who identified those players? How many on here knew beforehand that Wiggins, Morrison, Kermorgant were some of the best out there? Seem to remember a bit of a "meh" feeling about the latter two at the point they signed? Easy to re-write history with the benefit of hindsight...
Surely our issue now is that whoever identifies the players (Fraeye?!) gets it wrong more often than right?
When we went up to the Championship Powell wanted Yannick Bolasie, Jason Shackell, Dean Hammond, Stephen Quinn and Sone Aluko. Every single one of them subsequently went on to play Premiership football with teams that got promoted and were central parts those squads. One of my biggest disappointments as a Charlton fan is that we lost that momentum going up with Cash pulling his funding out. We finished 3 points off the play-offs with Pritchard, Wagstaff and Obika in our team. Imagine what we could have done with the players Powell wanted.
As impressive as that list is it is it's not the identifying of the players that is the most difficult, it's paying for them. As great as the League One season was, and I take nothing away from Chris Powell, it was identified before the season started, by the rivals for promotion, that we had signed all the best players in the division. It is a lot easier to be successful when you have a much better squad than the teams you are competing against. In fact there is an argument that with the same squad finishing 9th the season after anything other than walking League One would have been a failure.
I'm just putting a different slant on it as I don't believe that Powell was a fantastic manager or a rubbish one. He was somewhere in between and many of the posters on here seem to have one polar view or the other.
But who identified those players? How many on here knew beforehand that Wiggins, Morrison, Kermorgant were some of the best out there? Seem to remember a bit of a "meh" feeling about the latter two at the point they signed? Easy to re-write history with the benefit of hindsight...
Surely our issue now is that whoever identifies the players (Fraeye?!) gets it wrong more often than right?
The transfer / signing on fees came from the compensation for Jenkinson, although most were free transfers. The football budget in 2011/12 was lower than in the previous seasons. Powell chose the players. If we had the best squad that was very much down to Chris and the impression he made on potential signings. It's just not true it was principally about the money.
When we went up to the Championship Powell wanted Yannick Bolasie, Jason Shackell, Dean Hammond, Stephen Quinn and Sone Aluko. Every single one of them subsequently went on to play Premiership football with teams that got promoted and were central parts those squads. One of my biggest disappointments as a Charlton fan is that we lost that momentum going up with Cash pulling his funding out. We finished 3 points off the play-offs with Pritchard, Wagstaff and Obika in our team. Imagine what we could have done with the players Powell wanted.
As impressive as that list is it is it's not the identifying of the players that is the most difficult, it's paying for them. As great as the League One season was, and I take nothing away from Chris Powell, it was identified before the season started, by the rivals for promotion, that we had signed all the best players in the division.
Sheffield Wednesday were one of our rivals for promotion. They thought they had got much the better deal when we swapped Semedo for Morrison.
Huddersfield Town were one of our rivals for promotion. They took a team that hadn't been beaten in 42 years (excluding a 0-3 draw against Peterborough) and added some players.
Amazes me that people put down some of the football played towards the end of Powell's tenure, whilst completely ignoring the fact that he was being forced to play the likes of Thuram...
When we went up to the Championship Powell wanted Yannick Bolasie, Jason Shackell, Dean Hammond, Stephen Quinn and Sone Aluko. Every single one of them subsequently went on to play Premiership football with teams that got promoted and were central parts those squads. One of my biggest disappointments as a Charlton fan is that we lost that momentum going up with Cash pulling his funding out. We finished 3 points off the play-offs with Pritchard, Wagstaff and Obika in our team. Imagine what we could have done with the players Powell wanted.
As impressive as that list is it is it's not the identifying of the players that is the most difficult, it's paying for them. As great as the League One season was, and I take nothing away from Chris Powell, it was identified before the season started, by the rivals for promotion, that we had signed all the best players in the division. It is a lot easier to be successful when you have a much better squad than the teams you are competing against. In fact there is an argument that with the same squad finishing 9th the season after anything other than walking League One would have been a failure.
I'm just putting a different slant on it as I don't believe that Powell was a fantastic manager or a rubbish one. He was somewhere in between and many of the posters on here seem to have one polar view or the other.
I think you'll find it's the exact opposite. Paying for players is easy; need money, pay money. You can either do it or you can't, and you cut your cloth accordingly. If it's so easy to buy your way to success then why are Chelsea currently 15th? Manchester United have been the big spenders recently, why haven't they won the league? Real Madrid spend insane money every season, Barce has still finished above them. Chelsea paid £50m for Fernando Torres, £30m for Andriy Shevchenko. Utd paid £7m for Bebe without even seeing him play! I can't think of a more perfect example of the disparity in significance and ease between paying for a player and identifying the right attributes.
When you say that it was identified by our rivals that we had signed the best players in the division, you do know that's nonsense right? We got Michael Morrison for next to nothing from Sheffield Wednesday because they just didn't want him. We picked up Yann Kermorgant on a free, whose only public exposure as a player was his penalty miss. He was a laughing stock. We got Matt Taylor on a free from Exeter, got unwanted Leon Cort on loan from fellow Championship side Burnley, signed Reading's reserve goalkeeper and picked up Bradley Pritchard from non-league Hayes & Yeading. The only players we really stole a march on were Rhoys Wiggins, and Watford were in for him so we were hardly flexing our financial muscle before a tiny club, and Danny Green, who we were always going to get ahead of Sheffield Wednesday as he wanted to come back and prove himself at Charlton.
So many teams live and die by their recruitment process, it's a hugely, hugely difficult job. We slipped out of the Premier League because we let an ogre sign Djimi Traore, Amdy Faye and what was left of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink instead of decent players to improve our squad. We slipped even further down because we let an ego with a nose sign Therry Racon, Luke Varney, Dean Sinclair, Stuart Fleetwood, Yassin Mouatouakil and Andy Gray. While we're on the subject of Andy Gray, Parky told Pardew that instead of Gray he should go for Sylvan Ebanks-Blake. Pardew ignored him. Ebanks-Blake went on to play in the Premier League and Andy Gray went on to score on his 13th Charlton appearance. Which was tougher there? Chucking £1.5m at a player or picking the right one? This season we're suffering because we have identified players who we can get on the cheap with no Championship experience and no thought as to their fitness. I think if you added up all the games Kashi, Ba, Makienok, Ceballos and Bergdich played last year, between them it wouldn't make up a full season. That's why they're cheap and that's why they're all getting injured. Identifying players is the hard part.
Amazes me that people put down some of the football played towards the end of Powell's tenure, whilst completely ignoring the fact that he was being forced to play the likes of Thuram...
I'm amazed anyone even questions whether he OVERALL did do a good job for Charlton.
Everyone's 100% entitled to that opinion of course and have a few valid reasons absolutely fair enough...and
Chris Powell having the Charlton legend status does perhaps make people want to stick up for him more then not but what he did at Charlton was pure merit based whether the fans would naturally be on his side or not.
Powell was no genius of a football manager (don't understand why that's expected) but who would be on there 1st tenure of the trade? Was Fergie?
Powell was a very good solid manager for Charlton I really appreciate his efforts and success. I will not and can't be bothered to repeat and add on why that is. It's just bloody stupid extremely glass half empty stuff.
I'd imagine that's the end of his managerial career. He tried but failed at 2 clubs now. A good man and a nice guy but hasn't got what it takes to be a manager.
I mean I don't want to sound like a broken record, but how exactly did he fail at Charlton?
Errr, we were bottom of the league playing shite football. Do you really need an explanation?
I'm not going to argue with your comment on the football we played, as we never played the most attractive football under Powell. But yeah if a 40% win record over his tenure, winning a league title with record points, finishing 9th in the league above the following year is counted as a failure then you have some pretty ridiculous high standards for a manager to be counted as a success.
Also, once again, yes we were bottom of the table, but we had 4 games in hand.... FOUR games.
Great grasp of reality that........we were losing games hand over fist we were only heading one way, and thats not up..........if you cant see that then theres no point in having this debate (again)
Hilarious. I think a more accurate statement would be that if you reckon you can state exactly how a season would have turned out 4 months later then there's no point in having the debate with you. There is absolutely no way of telling how things would have worked out. We might have won every single game, we might have lost every single game. Stating as fact that the only way we were going was down is just silly.
What is factual about Powell is he's been a manager for five years and in that time has won a title, which most managers go their whole careers without doing, and did it with a record points total. He also took that same squad to 9th a league up the next year. He kept an under-funded squad competitive - more competitive than this one is right now - and kept Huddersfield up despite having his best players sold out from under him. He's also not been relegated as manager yet. It could all get much better or much worse for him but that CV is not one of a manager who isn't very good.
That's given me a great laugh Powell oversaw the worst game I've ever seen Daggers away! Christ it was woeful. He then gets a hat full of dough buys some quality players and wins the league. Gets into the champ and is 'successful' cos he gets us 9th. He then nearly relegates us but the owner sees whats happening outs him and Riga plays attacking football and keeps us up. Have I missed anything. We do some right delusional pilchards supporting us!
A conclusion I draw virtually every time I read your posts.
Yep. Ember that boring, defensive, passionless 5 4 victory against league leaders Cardiff. Thank goodness we won't have to watch that sort of garbage again
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although I often wonder why he wasn't sacked the season before when he managed just 8 points from ten games and we slid down the table ......but the owners held on to him and in the next 8 games that followed we won 5 and drew 3 to finish the season off in 9th place, our highest finish in The Championship since we left the Prem
He didn't get the backing to improve on the squad he had - after finishing 9th.
We had like 3 or 4 games in hand when bottom along with FA cup run.
Turns out new owners had the money to keep us afloat but were even worse then the previous. Like being forced to sell your soul to the devil in order to stay alive. In the long term it's actually quite shit.
Can't say that if Powell didn't get sacked, just don't know, but the working relationship at that time between owner and manager was not very good and supportive at all....very evident on the pitch against Sheffield United. Though the players and management still must be blamed for that it was terrible.
Really hate Dutchatelet
I want stability, other fans claim to want stability but seem to want managers sacked at the same frequency as Roland.
You dig out the game at daggers being woeful but when he actually put together his own team we won their 2-1 and it must have been some fluke as we managed to secure 101 points that season.
Things are so much better now though aren't they, performances have massively improved since he left. Bizarre.
It said it all to me the massive reception he got on his return to the valley and you could see that most fans appreciate and love this Charlton legend for what he has given to our club over the years. If you can't feel that then I genuinely feel sorry for you.
Myopia is a terrible disease and you have my sympathy! Genuinely!
At this point in time he is the only answer. Whoever is at the meeting on Friday with RM& KM MUST ask them to get him back.
And a huge surprise to KM & RM when no-one turns up.....
so even if you pulled the Sam Bartram statue down , re named the South Stand, reduced the portion of chips size down to 12 , changed the home kit to blue, moved our home games to 3am on a Thursday , opened the ticket office 24-7 , there will be the usual suspects on here ready to blow smoke up your arse and shout down anyone who dare be critical of your radical new approach to us
Imagine if, instead of selling them and sacking him we had given him £8.9M to spend strengthening and complimenting that squad (isn't that what Mr Douch was claiming to have spent on players?).
Does anyone genuinely believe we would currently be in the same position we are now?
As for the job he has done at Huddersfield, I would be intrigued to know where their budget compares in the league... It would not surprise me in the least if he was over performing on that basis, especially having made money on transfer dealings during his time there.
Ultimately, in a purely selfish way I think his sacking is good for us. Brings another team (Huddersfield) straight back into the relegation fight IMO.
I'm just putting a different slant on it as I don't believe that Powell was a fantastic manager or a rubbish one. He was somewhere in between and many of the posters on here seem to have one polar view or the other.
Surely our issue now is that whoever identifies the players (Fraeye?!) gets it wrong more often than right?
Huddersfield Town were one of our rivals for promotion. They took a team that hadn't been beaten in 42 years (excluding a 0-3 draw against Peterborough) and added some players.
Sheffield United were...
A really shit argument, but yes, it exists.
When you say that it was identified by our rivals that we had signed the best players in the division, you do know that's nonsense right? We got Michael Morrison for next to nothing from Sheffield Wednesday because they just didn't want him. We picked up Yann Kermorgant on a free, whose only public exposure as a player was his penalty miss. He was a laughing stock. We got Matt Taylor on a free from Exeter, got unwanted Leon Cort on loan from fellow Championship side Burnley, signed Reading's reserve goalkeeper and picked up Bradley Pritchard from non-league Hayes & Yeading. The only players we really stole a march on were Rhoys Wiggins, and Watford were in for him so we were hardly flexing our financial muscle before a tiny club, and Danny Green, who we were always going to get ahead of Sheffield Wednesday as he wanted to come back and prove himself at Charlton.
So many teams live and die by their recruitment process, it's a hugely, hugely difficult job. We slipped out of the Premier League because we let an ogre sign Djimi Traore, Amdy Faye and what was left of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink instead of decent players to improve our squad. We slipped even further down because we let an ego with a nose sign Therry Racon, Luke Varney, Dean Sinclair, Stuart Fleetwood, Yassin Mouatouakil and Andy Gray. While we're on the subject of Andy Gray, Parky told Pardew that instead of Gray he should go for Sylvan Ebanks-Blake. Pardew ignored him. Ebanks-Blake went on to play in the Premier League and Andy Gray went on to score on his 13th Charlton appearance. Which was tougher there? Chucking £1.5m at a player or picking the right one? This season we're suffering because we have identified players who we can get on the cheap with no Championship experience and no thought as to their fitness. I think if you added up all the games Kashi, Ba, Makienok, Ceballos and Bergdich played last year, between them it wouldn't make up a full season. That's why they're cheap and that's why they're all getting injured. Identifying players is the hard part.
Everyone's 100% entitled to that opinion of course and have a few valid reasons absolutely fair enough...and
Chris Powell having the Charlton legend status does perhaps make people want to stick up for him more then not but what he did at Charlton was pure merit based whether the fans would naturally be on his side or not.
Powell was no genius of a football manager (don't understand why that's expected) but who would be on there 1st tenure of the trade? Was Fergie?
Powell was a very good solid manager for Charlton I really appreciate his efforts and success. I will not and can't be bothered to repeat and add on why that is. It's just bloody stupid extremely glass half empty stuff.