The impact of this idea will be determined by the individual person. It is simply to give everyone an opportunity and platform to provide feedback to the club on one day. If nobody takes part then so be it . Attempting to organise a protest or march is commendable but this idea is a simple, understated one that keeps in the best traditions of Charlton supporters.
'Could this be done in tandem with requesting our details be deleted from the database as someone asked yesterday ?'
I didn't see this suggestion but I'm assuming they would have to, by law, act upon such a request whereas an email saying you are not going to renew can be ignored?
I think this is an interesting proposal. If they are obliged (by law) to act upon these requests, I think it would be a powerful move. As season ticket holders, we have presumably entered in to a contract with the club, but who really understands the obligations that the club have with regard to our data? Airman perhaps.....
I posted something about this on the initial thread about unsubscribing.
The club hold your personal information and are therefore subject by law to compliance with the Data Protection Act. If the action against the club's database is co-ordinated properly it can cause them real problems.
Unsubscribing from Charlton emails is mostly automated but a separate written request to be removed from the club's marketing database would fall under Data Protection and has to be actioned. If you also demand that the club confirm your removal from the database by return they are obliged to reply under the terms of their Football League charter.
It should be possible to shoot many holes in their (already inaccurate) marketing database in time for the season ticket renewal campaign and also tie up admin staff with aggravating Data Protection compliance and emailing customers when they should be doing proper work. (Sorry, Charlton admin staff but you are working for the enemy!)
I would also assume (I can only assume as the club don't seem to show their terms and conditions on ticket purchase) that purchase of a ticket via the website also has implied permission to enter you on their database. Proper ticket merchants like Seetickets state this in their t&c's. So again, there is an opportunity for aggravation by requesting a deletion from the database and email confirmation after purchasing each ticket.
If you receive a marketing communication from the club after requesting removal from the database, they would be in breach of Data Protection legislation. If the campaign is super organised it could collate these unwanted emails/phone calls and use them in a formal Data Protection complaint against the club which may result in a fine. It would probably be dismissed as vexatious in the end but the club would be obliged to devote time and manpower to dealing with it.
That's my take on it anyway. Don't just send them a message - cause them actual pain and aggravation!
From what i can work out, simply all of us writing to the club means that they have to reply within 21 days or they are guilty of an offence, and they have to supply the information free of charge it seems.
' Duty of certain data controllers to make certain information available.
Subject to subsection (3), where personal data are processed in a case where— .(a)
by virtue of subsection (2) or (3) of section 17, subsection (1) of that section does not apply to the processing, and
(b) the data controller has not notified the relevant particulars in respect of that processing under section 18, . the data controller must, within twenty-one days of receiving a written request from any person, make the relevant particulars available to that person in writing free of charge.
(2) In this section “the relevant particulars” means the particulars referred to in paragraphs (a) to (f) of section 16(1). .
(3) This section has effect subject to any exemption conferred for the purposes of this section by notification regulations. .
(4) Any data controller who fails to comply with the duty imposed by subsection (1) is guilty of an offence. .
(5) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (4) to show that he exercised all due diligence to comply with the duty.'
Katrien is a lawyer, she can write on here and tell us if I've understood it wrongly if she likes.
Does anybody know the email of the 'data controller' at the club? Or if not it might be worth bombarding Katrien with this request as the place where the ultimate responsibility lies.
This is an action anybody can take and still let the club keep the data, and then there could be the second round of action where people can ask for the data to be amended or removed.
'Could this be done in tandem with requesting our details be deleted from the database as someone asked yesterday ?'
I didn't see this suggestion but I'm assuming they would have to, by law, act upon such a request whereas an email saying you are not going to renew can be ignored?
I think this is an interesting proposal. If they are obliged (by law) to act upon these requests, I think it would be a powerful move. As season ticket holders, we have presumably entered in to a contract with the club, but who really understands the obligations that the club have with regard to our data? Airman perhaps.....
I posted something about this on the initial thread about unsubscribing.
The club hold your personal information and are therefore subject by law to compliance with the Data Protection Act. If the action against the club's database is co-ordinated properly it can cause them real problems.
Unsubscribing from Charlton emails is mostly automated but a separate written request to be removed from the club's marketing database would fall under Data Protection and has to be actioned. If you also demand that the club confirm your removal from the database by return they are obliged to reply under the terms of their Football League charter.
It should be possible to shoot many holes in their (already inaccurate) marketing database in time for the season ticket renewal campaign and also tie up admin staff with aggravating Data Protection compliance and emailing customers when they should be doing proper work. (Sorry, Charlton admin staff but you are working for the enemy!)
I would also assume (I can only assume as the club don't seem to show their terms and conditions on ticket purchase) that purchase of a ticket via the website also has implied permission to enter you on their database. Proper ticket merchants like Seetickets state this in their t&c's. So again, there is an opportunity for aggravation by requesting a deletion from the database and email confirmation after purchasing each ticket.
If you receive a marketing communication from the club after requesting removal from the database, they would be in breach of Data Protection legislation. If the campaign is super organised it could collate these unwanted emails/phone calls and use them in a formal Data Protection complaint against the club which may result in a fine. It would probably be dismissed as vexatious in the end but the club would be obliged to devote time and manpower to dealing with it.
That's my take on it anyway. Don't just send them a message - cause them actual pain and aggravation!
Very interesting. We have nothing to lose through this course of action - all forms of protest have their place.
With the email request, would that not just cause a member of staff a lot of hassle rather than affect KM herself?
Surely we want this aimed at RD and KM?
No, this would be effects based guerilla warfare if you like. You don't attack the enemy head on, you cut away at their ability to operate effectively. The idea is to attack one of the club's valuable assets, it's marketing database. This will in turn effect season ticket sales, hospitality sales and reduce the value of marketing leads for the club's selected partners/sponsors. It will also deny manpower to the club who are dealing with data compliance nonsense rather than actual productive work generating sales for the club. Ms Meire will soon get to hear about it if staff are complaining about processing 2,000+ requests to be removed from the marketing database.
This year's season ticket renewal campaign will be the most difficult ever. If you remember the 2013/14 campaign, they sent all the renewal forms to the wrong addresses. It was such a mess that the following year they didn't even bother to send out renewal forms, relying on customer pull rather than marketing push. They won't be able to get away that again this year and so will be dependent on the marketing database. It should be wrecked before they can get the renewal campaign under way.
The message must remain a simple one. The intention is to convey to the owner the number of season-ticket holders who intend not to renew. This platform already exists so why not use it? What the club does with the information is up to them. the message should say " I have a season ticket in the west/ east/north stand and I will not be renewing for the 2016/2017 season". Place the onus back on the club. We can choose a day where people could do this and leaflet the ground with the date. There is no rush as renewals won't be going out until early April. Imagine you have 2/3000 emails with that simple message.
It will be the funniest thing ever if the club say 'quick get the early bird deal, particularly if you want to secure your seat, and avoid the price hike as the new season approaches'.
Said it before. All adults £100 all areas all season. All concessions £50 all areas all season.
You don't need to tell the club if you are renewing or not just yet, keep them guessing and keep them crapping themselves they will only sell 30% of their target. We ought to be messing with them, not helpfully informing them of our intentions.
I will most likely be renewing my season ticket, but I would still send a request to be removed from the marketing database. Its not going to make any difference to me, I know where to get a season ticket from. But they will get the impression that a larger number will not renew just from the holes in the database.
From what i can work out, simply all of us writing to the club means that they have to reply within 21 days or they are guilty of an offence, and they have to supply the information free of charge it seems.
' Duty of certain data controllers to make certain information available.
Subject to subsection (3), where personal data are processed in a case where— .(a)
by virtue of subsection (2) or (3) of section 17, subsection (1) of that section does not apply to the processing, and
(b) the data controller has not notified the relevant particulars in respect of that processing under section 18, . the data controller must, within twenty-one days of receiving a written request from any person, make the relevant particulars available to that person in writing free of charge.
(2) In this section “the relevant particulars” means the particulars referred to in paragraphs (a) to (f) of section 16(1). .
(3) This section has effect subject to any exemption conferred for the purposes of this section by notification regulations. .
(4) Any data controller who fails to comply with the duty imposed by subsection (1) is guilty of an offence. .
(5) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (4) to show that he exercised all due diligence to comply with the duty.'
Katrien is a lawyer, she can write on here and tell us if I've understood it wrongly if she likes.
Does anybody know the email of the 'data controller' at the club? Or if not it might be worth bombarding Katrien with this request as the place where the ultimate responsibility lies.
This is an action anybody can take and still let the club keep the data, and then there could be the second round of action where people can ask for the data to be amended or removed.
This makes a lot of sense. Does anybody know to whom it should be addressed?
Oh yeah there is obviously a tipping point, and I will admit I am a lot closer to it than I was 12 months ago when some supporters congregated in Woolwich Town Centre, but I am a lenient and patient person, and pretty laid back in life, and think that has helped me to give them time to redeem themselves. If there is no investment in January and we get relegated, then that may well be my breaking point, but I can't say for sure.
People can claim its blind faith and it is a weak or thin argument, but at the same time they will probably want Roland out even if he goes on to invest into the club and pulls us out of the relegation mire
We can go round in circles but the club should know people's intentions regarding whether they renew or not. The platform exists to do this so it could be organised for a future date. If people are made aware through leaflets, social media etc of the date then. We have to place the responsibility back on the owner. He has no idea what people think so we should help him.
Oh yeah there is obviously a tipping point, and I will admit I am a lot closer to it than I was 12 months ago when some supporters congregated in Woolwich Town Centre, but I am a lenient and patient person, and pretty laid back in life, and think that has helped me to give them time to redeem themselves. If there is no investment in January and we get relegated, then that may well be my breaking point, but I can't say for sure.
People can claim its blind faith and it is a weak or thin argument, but at the same time they will probably want Roland out even if he goes on to invest into the club and pulls us out of the relegation mire
Completely respect your thoughts Sam and certainly don't think you should be challenged to explain your views - regardless of them being right or wrong.
I'm guilty as charged with what you say about wanting Roly out even if he does invest and we move of the relegation places. But that would just mirror what happened last season. Where does it end? The bloke his making a habit of 'making things bearable' for a few months and then goes and kicks the fans in the teeth again and again and again.
The bloke is destroying out club. The thing is, he could well turn it around and we become successful, but he would only rip it apart. He had something heading in the right direction at Standard Liege, but he soon cocked that up. The man is a fool. It's no coincidence that the fans at SL hated him and it's the same here.
Have been offline and avoiding all things Charlton over Xmas as have been too depressed by it all recently and didn't want it to ruin the last few days...but at the same time i've been mulling over my personal reaction to what's going on...it's mainly been apathy, wanting them out but realising that for that to happen there has to be someone to come in etc, but now I'm of the opinion that I just want them out and am thinking that there is something that I should actually be doing about it...so here I am, reading ideas to see where I can contribute...
So, the thing that strikes me most is that we don't seem to actually know how many fans are fed up with it all...on here there is lots of 'let's do this/we're all fed up' etc but at the same time there are those who are not unhappy/who are apathetic to it all...we need to get as definitive a picture as possible of what all fans think (particularly those not on here), so we can then mobilise all those that want a change/something to happen.
There was an excellent job done of producing and handing out flyers for the 2% protest...would it be possible to do this again, but with a simple question on the flyer: 'are you happy with the current regime at Charlton? Yes: thank you for reading this. No: if you would like to effect the change, then please sign up here' or words similar...with the idea of a) getting an idea of the numbers who support 'some form of action' and b) creating our own database (subject to all applicable laws) of people who would like to get involved...at least in that way we can then ensure that people who do want to be involved are aware of what is going on (I like the idea of creating disruption re: the club database, but we also need more 'visible' action that appeals to TV cameras/photographers etc..so protests/the funeral idea are good)..
I'm happy to help with wording on the flyer and to help distribute and pay for them...I'm also happy to help manage a database of fans (I've already set up a gmail account that can be used)...but is the above a good idea? Plausible? Happy to hear any thoughts... In the meantime, I'll be there on Saturday.... Cheers
Nice idea but if I go I will have the boy with me and not putting him through that
Good luck with it
What if we win 5-0 with goals from Sarr, Makienok (2), Ba and Ceballos
Result is irrelevant. Imagine a 5-0 win? Roly would sack Carol if that happened.
In actual fact, holding a big, noisy demo after a good win (any win) would be even more impressive. Too easy to write off protests after a defeat as all about the results. They just don't get that our concerns are about way, way, way more than the results.
Have been offline and avoiding all things Charlton over Xmas as have been too depressed by it all recently and didn't want it to ruin the last few days...but at the same time i've been mulling over my personal reaction to what's going on...it's mainly been apathy, wanting them out but realising that for that to happen there has to be someone to come in etc, but now I'm of the opinion that I just want them out and am thinking that there is something that I should actually be doing about it...so here I am, reading ideas to see where I can contribute...
So, the thing that strikes me most is that we don't seem to actually know how many fans are fed up with it all...on here there is lots of 'let's do this/we're all fed up' etc but at the same time there are those who are not unhappy/who are apathetic to it all...we need to get as definitive a picture as possible of what all fans think (particularly those not on here), so we can then mobilise all those that want a change/something to happen.
There was an excellent job done of producing and handing out flyers for the 2% protest...would it be possible to do this again, but with a simple question on the flyer: 'are you happy with the current regime at Charlton? Yes: thank you for reading this. No: if you would like to effect the change, then please sign up here' or words similar...with the idea of a) getting an idea of the numbers who support 'some form of action' and b) creating our own database (subject to all applicable laws) of people who would like to get involved...at least in that way we can then ensure that people who do want to be involved are aware of what is going on (I like the idea of creating disruption re: the club database, but we also need more 'visible' action that appeals to TV cameras/photographers etc..so protests/the funeral idea are good)..
I'm happy to help with wording on the flyer and to help distribute and pay for them...I'm also happy to help manage a database of fans (I've already set up a gmail account that can be used)...but is the above a good idea? Plausible? Happy to hear any thoughts... In the meantime, I'll be there on Saturday.... Cheers
Have been offline and avoiding all things Charlton over Xmas as have been too depressed by it all recently and didn't want it to ruin the last few days...but at the same time i've been mulling over my personal reaction to what's going on...it's mainly been apathy, wanting them out but realising that for that to happen there has to be someone to come in etc, but now I'm of the opinion that I just want them out and am thinking that there is something that I should actually be doing about it...so here I am, reading ideas to see where I can contribute...
So, the thing that strikes me most is that we don't seem to actually know how many fans are fed up with it all...on here there is lots of 'let's do this/we're all fed up' etc but at the same time there are those who are not unhappy/who are apathetic to it all...we need to get as definitive a picture as possible of what all fans think (particularly those not on here), so we can then mobilise all those that want a change/something to happen.
There was an excellent job done of producing and handing out flyers for the 2% protest...would it be possible to do this again, but with a simple question on the flyer: 'are you happy with the current regime at Charlton? Yes: thank you for reading this. No: if you would like to effect the change, then please sign up here' or words similar...with the idea of a) getting an idea of the numbers who support 'some form of action' and b) creating our own database (subject to all applicable laws) of people who would like to get involved...at least in that way we can then ensure that people who do want to be involved are aware of what is going on (I like the idea of creating disruption re: the club database, but we also need more 'visible' action that appeals to TV cameras/photographers etc..so protests/the funeral idea are good)..
I'm happy to help with wording on the flyer and to help distribute and pay for them...I'm also happy to help manage a database of fans (I've already set up a gmail account that can be used)...but is the above a good idea? Plausible? Happy to hear any thoughts... In the meantime, I'll be there on Saturday.... Cheers
Do we have time to get this together, will be end of Jan before anything comes to fruition and that could be too late at least for this season. After Saturday there is no home game for 3 weeks.
By the way, it's so important that we use all possible media for communicating the protest next week. I was surprised yesterday when queueing at the East Stand turnstiles to have a group of blokes behind me and Davo Junior asking why we had black and white scarves on. No aggression or piss taking, in fact they seemed quite supportive when i explained what it was about and told them where they could buy one - but they just hadn't been aware.
Can we have a separate topic for emailing the club? Any planning for protests gets convoluted with other people suggesting different ideas to the point where the original plan is lost.
So if I email the club and request all my personal details are removed from the system, how will I know if it has actually been done or whether my email has been simply deleted?
So if I email the club and request all my personal details are removed from the system, how will I know if it has actually been done or whether my email has been simply deleted?
You probably won't know, the acid test will be whether the email shots continue or not I'm afraid
So if I email the club and request all my personal details are removed from the system, how will I know if it has actually been done or whether my email has been simply deleted?
You probably won't know, the acid test will be whether the email shots continue or not I'm afraid
So I email the club today and request my details are deleted and over the course of the next 2-3 months I continue to receive correspondence from them; invitations to the Vista Lounge, Curry Night, Season ticket renewal etc.
What action can I then take against the club for disregarding my request.
Not trying to pick holes in this suggestion (if it helps reinforce the level of discontent I'm in) but I'd like to understand the impact it can have.
Whose gunna get all you old gits off the floor after an hour?
I assumed everyone was bringing deckchairs?
The deskchairs will be rearranged by Katrien Meire, As the band plays on and the Ship goes down.
That's why we need to jettison the rubbish Cargo before we end up as Flotsam.
"Peter Varney's Red and White army"
"answer your emails,answer your emails,answer your emails."
"Stand up if you want them out"
Don't score an own goal by chanting sexist rubbish, give her no excuse to be the victim. that's the only card she has left. Don't leave your brains at home.
My son, when he not traveling Europe watching football or working, stands on the upper north at the very top, has sent a text to a guy that starts a lots of the chants, so the Peter Varney chant should be added to the Stand up chant which worked great on Monday.
So if I email the club and request all my personal details are removed from the system, how will I know if it has actually been done or whether my email has been simply deleted?
Do it in two stages. stage one is to demand to see, within 21 days, the information they have on you personally. this will avoid any generic cut and paste reply. if you then demand your details are removed you will have to wait to see if they have really done it. A good tactic is to demand to see your details, amend something like adding or removing your middle name, and then demand to see the amended details at a later date. My reading of the data protection act is that such a procedure will cost you nothing, but failure to comply will be an offence by the club. I don't know how an offence would be processed, or by whom, or what the sanctions would be.
So if I email the club and request all my personal details are removed from the system, how will I know if it has actually been done or whether my email has been simply deleted?
You probably won't know, the acid test will be whether the email shots continue or not I'm afraid
So I email the club today and request my details are deleted and over the course of the next 2-3 months I continue to receive correspondence from them; invitations to the Vista Lounge, Curry Night, Season ticket renewal etc.
What action can I then take against the club for disregarding my request.
Not trying to pick holes in this suggestion (if it helps reinforce the level of discontent I'm in) but I'd like to understand the impact it can have.
I don't know the full extent of information collected in the database, but as it would most likely contain information that can identify you as an individual it would be covered under Data Protection law rather than anti-spam legislation. A complaint could be made to the Information Commissioner but as I said before, a concerted campaign would most likely be dismissed as vexatious.
The main point is to bugger the club about, demonstrate again that more than 2% have got the hump with them and disrupt and devalue their marketing operation.
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So far the plan for protest is before the game, during the game and after the game.
It's going to take some coordination and energy from someone or it might seem just a little disorganised.
Edit - and an opt out and a boycott.
The club hold your personal information and are therefore subject by law to compliance with the Data Protection Act. If the action against the club's database is co-ordinated properly it can cause them real problems.
Unsubscribing from Charlton emails is mostly automated but a separate written request to be removed from the club's marketing database would fall under Data Protection and has to be actioned. If you also demand that the club confirm your removal from the database by return they are obliged to reply under the terms of their Football League charter.
It should be possible to shoot many holes in their (already inaccurate) marketing database in time for the season ticket renewal campaign and also tie up admin staff with aggravating Data Protection compliance and emailing customers when they should be doing proper work. (Sorry, Charlton admin staff but you are working for the enemy!)
I would also assume (I can only assume as the club don't seem to show their terms and conditions on ticket purchase) that purchase of a ticket via the website also has implied permission to enter you on their database. Proper ticket merchants like Seetickets state this in their t&c's. So again, there is an opportunity for aggravation by requesting a deletion from the database and email confirmation after purchasing each ticket.
If you receive a marketing communication from the club after requesting removal from the database, they would be in breach of Data Protection legislation. If the campaign is super organised it could collate these unwanted emails/phone calls and use them in a formal Data Protection complaint against the club which may result in a fine. It would probably be dismissed as vexatious in the end but the club would be obliged to devote time and manpower to dealing with it.
That's my take on it anyway. Don't just send them a message - cause them actual pain and aggravation!
Surely we want this aimed at RD and KM?
' Duty of certain data controllers to make certain information available.
Subject to subsection (3), where personal data are processed in a case where—
.(a)
by virtue of subsection (2) or (3) of section 17, subsection (1) of that section does not apply to the processing, and
(b) the data controller has not notified the relevant particulars in respect of that processing under section 18,
.
the data controller must, within twenty-one days of receiving a written request from any person, make the relevant particulars available to that person in writing free of charge.
(2) In this section “the relevant particulars” means the particulars referred to in paragraphs (a) to (f) of section 16(1).
.
(3) This section has effect subject to any exemption conferred for the purposes of this section by notification regulations.
.
(4) Any data controller who fails to comply with the duty imposed by subsection (1) is guilty of an offence.
.
(5) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (4) to show that he exercised all due diligence to comply with the duty.'
Katrien is a lawyer, she can write on here and tell us if I've understood it wrongly if she likes.
Does anybody know the email of the 'data controller' at the club? Or if not it might be worth bombarding Katrien with this request as the place where the ultimate responsibility lies.
This is an action anybody can take and still let the club keep the data, and then there could be the second round of action where people can ask for the data to be amended or removed.
We have nothing to lose through this course of action - all forms of protest have their place.
No, this would be effects based guerilla warfare if you like. You don't attack the enemy head on, you cut away at their ability to operate effectively. The idea is to attack one of the club's valuable assets, it's marketing database. This will in turn effect season ticket sales, hospitality sales and reduce the value of marketing leads for the club's selected partners/sponsors. It will also deny manpower to the club who are dealing with data compliance nonsense rather than actual productive work generating sales for the club. Ms Meire will soon get to hear about it if staff are complaining about processing 2,000+ requests to be removed from the marketing database.
This year's season ticket renewal campaign will be the most difficult ever. If you remember the 2013/14 campaign, they sent all the renewal forms to the wrong addresses. It was such a mess that the following year they didn't even bother to send out renewal forms, relying on customer pull rather than marketing push. They won't be able to get away that again this year and so will be dependent on the marketing database. It should be wrecked before they can get the renewal campaign under way.
Said it before. All adults £100 all areas all season.
All concessions £50 all areas all season.
I say make protesting affordable!
I will most likely be renewing my season ticket, but I would still send a request to be removed from the marketing database. Its not going to make any difference to me, I know where to get a season ticket from. But they will get the impression that a larger number will not renew just from the holes in the database.
People can claim its blind faith and it is a weak or thin argument, but at the same time they will probably want Roland out even if he goes on to invest into the club and pulls us out of the relegation mire
Even happier that there is no home game for 3 weeks after the game, woohoo!!!
I'm guilty as charged with what you say about wanting Roly out even if he does invest and we move of the relegation places. But that would just mirror what happened last season. Where does it end? The bloke his making a habit of 'making things bearable' for a few months and then goes and kicks the fans in the teeth again and again and again.
The bloke is destroying out club. The thing is, he could well turn it around and we become successful, but he would only rip it apart. He had something heading in the right direction at Standard Liege, but he soon cocked that up. The man is a fool. It's no coincidence that the fans at SL hated him and it's the same here.
So, the thing that strikes me most is that we don't seem to actually know how many fans are fed up with it all...on here there is lots of 'let's do this/we're all fed up' etc but at the same time there are those who are not unhappy/who are apathetic to it all...we need to get as definitive a picture as possible of what all fans think (particularly those not on here), so we can then mobilise all those that want a change/something to happen.
There was an excellent job done of producing and handing out flyers for the 2% protest...would it be possible to do this again, but with a simple question on the flyer: 'are you happy with the current regime at Charlton? Yes: thank you for reading this. No: if you would like to effect the change, then please sign up here' or words similar...with the idea of a) getting an idea of the numbers who support 'some form of action' and b) creating our own database (subject to all applicable laws) of people who would like to get involved...at least in that way we can then ensure that people who do want to be involved are aware of what is going on (I like the idea of creating disruption re: the club database, but we also need more 'visible' action that appeals to TV cameras/photographers etc..so protests/the funeral idea are good)..
I'm happy to help with wording on the flyer and to help distribute and pay for them...I'm also happy to help manage a database of fans (I've already set up a gmail account that can be used)...but is the above a good idea? Plausible? Happy to hear any thoughts... In the meantime, I'll be there on Saturday.... Cheers
I'm in.
What action can I then take against the club for disregarding my request.
Not trying to pick holes in this suggestion (if it helps reinforce the level of discontent I'm in) but I'd like to understand the impact it can have.
There's still time for you to join us on any of the above
As the band plays on and the Ship goes down.
That's why we need to jettison the rubbish Cargo before we end up as Flotsam.
"Peter Varney's Red and White army"
"answer your emails,answer your emails,answer your emails."
"Stand up if you want them out"
Don't score an own goal by chanting sexist rubbish,
give her no excuse to be the victim.
that's the only card she has left.
Don't leave your brains at home.
My son, when he not traveling Europe watching football or working, stands on the upper north at the very top, has sent a text to a guy that starts a lots of the chants, so the Peter Varney chant should be added to the Stand up chant which worked great on Monday.
A good tactic is to demand to see your details, amend something like adding or removing your middle name, and then demand to see the amended details at a later date.
My reading of the data protection act is that such a procedure will cost you nothing, but failure to comply will be an offence by the club.
I don't know how an offence would be processed, or by whom, or what the sanctions would be.
I don't know the full extent of information collected in the database, but as it would most likely contain information that can identify you as an individual it would be covered under Data Protection law rather than anti-spam legislation. A complaint could be made to the Information Commissioner but as I said before, a concerted campaign would most likely be dismissed as vexatious.
https://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/rights/2f.htm&CatID=21&m=r
The main point is to bugger the club about, demonstrate again that more than 2% have got the hump with them and disrupt and devalue their marketing operation.