What right do the stewards have to take his season tkt. That's a club decision if they wish to ban a fan.
The season ticket belongs to the club. It's in the terms and conditions.
The stewards can ban him but they can take the ticket.
Physically search him and remove the season ticket from his pocket or wallet (possibly by force while being restrained) or just ask him to hand it over?
No one except ob can physically search you,
Unless they make you agree to it before entry perhaps, like going in to a nightclub? Not too sure - but could be part of the T&Cs on the ticket?
Either way, I personally hate it when I get some jobsworth trying to go through my stuff because he thinks he's really a police officer. Happened in a local supermarket a few years ago when someone asked to go through my shopping, a quick "No thanks, I'm alright cheers." seemed to throw him off until it was too late and I'd already walked out.
Richard Cawley tweeted he was being pushed by stewards as he was trying to film last night around 5 pm, I posted his tweet on the match thread, Page 18.
Even the press are being hassled, as I say, it sounds like they're shitting it at the moment.
Private prosecution is pointless. Call 101 explain you've been assaulted (numerous times) a theft (or two has been committed) and explain that you would support a prosecution and are willing to give a statement. Explain the whole thing is on cctv and they also assaulted your mother. The police are duty bound to investigate. It's really that simple
One would also expect it's quite an easy win for the police if they stepped in; everything is on CCTV and there's numerous witnesses - including other officers who intervened. It's been reported, so it's best to get it dealt with to tick off and get a cheap target covered.
Exactly. The police are all about numbers, this is a gimme
Let's face it, the Police have no time for jumped-up wannabe tough guy Stewards. It's policing on the cheap and one step down from Bouncers and Screws. Ironic then when some of our fans are made to feel like criminals for crimes like unfolding a harmless banner.
What right do the stewards have to take his season tkt. That's a club decision if they wish to ban a fan.
The season ticket belongs to the club. It's in the terms and conditions.
The stewards can ban him but they can take the ticket.
Physically search him and remove the season ticket from his pocket or wallet (possibly by force while being restrained) or just ask him to hand it over?
No one except ob can physically search you,
You haven'y been to games for a while i take it, Millwall and Palace away. when everyone had a quick frisk, from bog standard security guys or even to the BBC or Wimbledon or the Airport when after i, like others set the alarm off after walking through the Detector frame was frisked with the small metal detector. (i must of swallowed some money from a home made christmas pud which then took a wrong turning and then got wedged inside !))
Bizarrely at Wimbledon the guy was more hands on and was near the mark as he didn't have the small hand held detector.
If it got to be a more invasive search, like being told to drop your strides, bend over, and think of England, then make sure it's the old bill or a custom officer or else ! plus only in a darken room unless you want to go viral on social media. (or there pills you can take )
Yep I was given quite a search at Palarse, so I guess even inoffensive looking middleaged females are targetted. They found my house keys in my pocket and angrily asked 'what are THESE?!' I replied 'keys' and they looked baffled and let me in.
What right do the stewards have to take his season tkt. That's a club decision if they wish to ban a fan.
The season ticket belongs to the club. It's in the terms and conditions.
The stewards can ban him but they can take the ticket.
Physically search him and remove the season ticket from his pocket or wallet (possibly by force while being restrained) or just ask him to hand it over?
No one except ob can physically search you,
There's no way they're gonna search my pencil case, my sharpener is my business
Well, they employ bar staff who have no idea what they are doing, presumably because they're cheap, so guess they do the same with stewards? Should be investigated!
All the stewards will be qualified. They aren't employed by the catering firm but by people who know what they are doing and what the legal requirements are.
I agree they certainly should be qualified and be employed people who should know what they are doing and what the legal requirements are – but are we certain that's the case?
I've no direct knowledge but a poster earlier seemed to know that what's been referred to as the 'snatch squad' are provided by an agency run by a firefighter called John and that most of them are firefighters or prison officers.
As well as the suggested assault in removing the banner I'm concerned about the suggestion that these stewards confiscated season tickets. Does this mean that they searched people or that they asked them to hand over their season tickets and the individuals complied?
Personally I wouldn't give my name or hand over anything demanded by these people. If they wanted to do more than politely escort me off the premises I'd want them to go and get a police officer – particularly if what they were complaining of was just displaying a banner or dropping leaflets.
From my experience as part of the Safety Advisory Group at the Valley (albeit some years ago) they have to have the required training as part of the club's license to host matches. Since it is the same very competent people running that part of the operation then as now I doubt that has changed.
They all have the relevant certification, training and it is renewed and recorded each year.
By the way, there was representation at the post match demo from the football grounds safety authority yesterday.
Come on if we can get a useless manager the sack, surely we can get a two bob steward the sack, maybe not only from his Charlton job but his other bullying work as well.
What right do the stewards have to take his season tkt. That's a club decision if they wish to ban a fan.
The season ticket belongs to the club. It's in the terms and conditions.
The stewards can ban him but they can take the ticket.
Physically search him and remove the season ticket from his pocket or wallet (possibly by force while being restrained) or just ask him to hand it over?
No one except ob can physically search you,
So that old man in the palace shirt in the Bartram bogs was lying to me that time?! Ffs.
Hi, I am the mum in question and Josh my son is 25. I also take a young lad who is in residential care to the games who was sitting right next to my son. The first steward grabbed the banner - did not ask for it, and when my son reacted that he was a jobsworth he went off and then came the reinforcements. at the time it seemed like there were loads, they grabbed my son by the neck and tried to haul him out over me and consequently one of the stewards hit me in the face. They were trying to get my son done on an assault charge as one of the stewards claimed that he had assaulted him but the resulting cctv showed that my son had done no wrong, no lifting of hands to ward them off etc and the police said that as he had clearly done nothing wrong why couldnt he be let back in - stewards said no! they said it was because it had been covering advertising but if you look at the photos it barely covers the A of Andrews. but that was not the real reason it was because a certain person had told the club security that if any banners were shown that the owners had to be ejected. I wasnt ejected due to the fact that I had to go back to the young lad I was looking after - the police intervened in that. I will definitely be taking this further no doubt about that - they dont know me once I am riled, as i will not leave it be. At no time until we were in the foyer did they say it was about covering advertising
Thanks Gwen for such a clear well-stated account of your awful experiences yesterday. I can only offer sympathy and support but as others have said sure there are some who can and will give you expert advice and assistance in getting justice.
They all have the relevant certification, training and it is renewed and recorded each year.
By the way, there was representation at the post match demo from the football grounds safety authority yesterday.
I would suggest that from their behaviour yesterday either the club has been had or they didn't attend the training sessions.
More seriously for the club their actions have made matters worse since the response on here will be for a lot of people to challenge the stupid decision to take on a supporter and his mother by bringing more banners next home game. Obviously Ivana hasn't learned that you don't put petrol on a fire.
Private prosecution is pointless. Call 101 explain you've been assaulted (numerous times) a theft (or two has been committed) and explain that you would support a prosecution and are willing to give a statement. Explain the whole thing is on cctv and they also assaulted your mother. The police are duty bound to investigate. It's really that simple
What's the betting the CCTV has accidentally been erased
IMHO the `Banner` and subsequent publicity both for itself,( and also Andrew`s heating!) has already achieved some of its objectives. WELL DONE that lad.
This is really quite unbelievable - the bully boy tactics will not work in the long run rest assured . A Mother with her son and a lad in care == honestly words fail me but what it has done is galvanise the fanbase even more. yippee i aye +++
@Gwen what was said of the first steward who grabbed your son, before the group came down?
He just grabbed the flag and when we said why he said he had a right to take it and when Josh called him a jobsworth he said we were to go with him and we said no, we were not going anywhere and he just went and then he came back with the other stewards. At no time did he give a relevant reason. If he had said it was covering advertising which it clearly wasn't we would have just held it up, I am definitely not a violent person and if someone asks politely with a reason we would have complied - but he was aggressive from the start
Gwen if your son wants to talk to me about what happened I could advise him on his legal options. Send me a message if he does and I'll give you my phone number and he can call me and we can properly talk through it. Another option would be to meet at the bristol city game and have a chat, common assault has a six month time limit
I am willing to take one for the team. I am a small guy, look about 15 (although I am actually 20). I am willing to hold a nice big banner and if they approach me will stand between them and it, in an unprovocative way hands behind my back but unmoving. Then at the first sign of contact I am falling down the stairs/ over the seats. Serious injuries may follow!
I am looking forward to seeing the Valley filled with banners. Ban a banner day, that'll keep 'em busy and they will be forced to either up the punishment regime or ignore it altogether. Either way you will have succeeded.
I am willing to take one for the team. I am a small guy, look about 15 (although I am actually 20). I am willing to hold a nice big banner and if they approach me will stand between them and it, in an unprovocative way hands behind my back but unmoving. Then at the first sign of contact I am falling down the stairs/ over the seats. Serious injuries may follow!
I'm guessing you don't sit in the front row, Upper North, canters !
I am willing to take one for the team. I am a small guy, look about 15 (although I am actually 20). I am willing to hold a nice big banner and if they approach me will stand between them and it, in an unprovocative way hands behind my back but unmoving. Then at the first sign of contact I am falling down the stairs/ over the seats. Serious injuries may follow!
You need to have a word with Costa about falling in the most dramatic way without actually getting touched.
There must be somebody on this board who knows a steward. If we could get an anonymous quote on what they've been told to do (e.g., to aggressively remove any and all banners critical of the board and eject from the stadium), the media would eat it up.
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Yep I was given quite a search at Palarse, so I guess even inoffensive looking middleaged females are targetted. They found my house keys in my pocket and angrily asked 'what are THESE?!' I replied 'keys' and they looked baffled and let me in.
By the way, there was representation at the post match demo from the football grounds safety authority yesterday.
fsf.org.uk
Amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk
@FSF_FairCop
Amanda seems to be the person to help.
If I wanted to gain entry somewhere and the conditions on entry were that I had to accept a frisk search then thats one thing,
The suggestion was that the stewards could once coming down to ask you to move on can touch you or search you and that is not the case
They all have the relevant certification, training and it is renewed and recorded each year.
By the way, there was representation at the post match demo from the football grounds safety authority yesterday.
I would suggest that from their behaviour yesterday either the club has been had or they didn't attend the training sessions.
More seriously for the club their actions have made matters worse since the response on here will be for a lot of people to challenge the stupid decision to take on a supporter and his mother by bringing more banners next home game. Obviously Ivana hasn't learned that you don't put petrol on a fire.
WELL DONE that lad.
I am willing to take one for the team. I am a small guy, look about 15 (although I am actually 20). I am willing to hold a nice big banner and if they approach me will stand between them and it, in an unprovocative way hands behind my back but unmoving. Then at the first sign of contact I am falling down the stairs/ over the seats. Serious injuries may follow!