April Fans Forum - MINUTES ON PAGE 11
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Roland was reported to have met with fans who are 'partners'. That is now a couple of stand alone people who chatted for 90 minutes.
Both the concepts of 'partners' and 'stand alone' are concepts introduced by the club.
Simple lies.
Lies.
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2 easily confusable individuals!ElfsborgAddick said:
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Brilliant! I am pinching that...man_at_milletts said:You can't trust anything that comes out of KM's mouth.
I bet she has to get somebody else to whistle her dog.
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Thoroughly disappointing read, well done to the fans present - it does sound like some very difficult questions were posed to her.
- With regards to point 6, I personally find it quite offensive that the club fed myself (and others) complete nonsense over Target20K meeting with Roland. Upon challenging this I was then told that Roland had met with "partners". Now I'm expected to believe it was - or sounds as though - he met informally with some random partners?
- Katrien makes it sound as though the meeting with CAST has happened, I haven't been keeping completely up to date with the situation over the past few weeks (personal commitments) - but I totally missed that. Great to hear that it would appear that CAST stuck to their agenda and told Katrien the most viable future for the club involves Roland selling.
- Concerned around the answers about next season, not sure which successful season we're supposed to rebuilding on:KM: We don't want to build up expectations. Will have one of top six budgets in League 1. Hopefully on
the back of a successful season, we can rebuild.
Overall there are too many inaccuracies really to discuss, and too many complete contradictions. One cant help but wonder whether part of Katrien's game plan is flooding CARD with too much material to use..!8 -
We'll have one of the top six budgets in League One because a) most of these clubs aren't owned by multi-millionaires b) we are going to be selling every asset worth anything in the post-season, so we will be starting the race a hell of a lot further back than them in terms of preparation and quality and c) that's probably a lie anyway and we'll be batting around top ten but spending it on complete tosh and then undisclosing how much we paid for said tosh.6
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The board that keeps on giving. Pretty close to the original minutes too.3
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They're riding the season out knowing that a few thousand will be missing next year & hoping that there'll be no protesting.seth plum said:Apart from having a fans forum and clearly telling fans demonstrable lies, we have the notion that they can learn from mistakes in order to be 'competitive' in the third division.
They have destroyed this club, the decisions and actions they make in the future are still going to be made by these same morons. Arrogance and the abuse of power is what sings to me from what they're putting out. Very much the same stuff Belgiumbun and that other one was spouting a couple of weeks ago.
They are clearly intent on riding this season out and going again, still saying that a turn around in results will restore the feel good thing. Except we will only be back where we started.
The special offer Is 50p each or a two for a quid deal.2 -
How is it possible that they ran the free coaches without knowing the names of those onboard ? If someone is unwilling to give their name why would you allow them on in the first place ? And some didn't know ? What ?7
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What about the couple of attendees who said nothing.SDAddick said:Credit to those who were there. From the edited minutes it sounds like no punches were pulled.
From the last two FFs John Bennett hasn't actually uttered a word - what is the point of him being there and how on earth can he be representing the views of his respective supporters groups?2 -
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KM in minutes, re OS:
I’m obviously unhappy about the West Ham story because as a former lawyer specialized in that field it looks from the outset that there’s an argument for illegal state aid. But the harm is done, they’re moving in. So the only solution is try to make them pay a higher rental fee
On 16 May 2014, at Richard Murray's suggestion, CAST sent a document to KM outlining the full details of the State Aid complaint, which I initially raised out of curiosity, but became a full scale exercise supported by Wyn Grant and Chris Cheetham (@Mundell Fleming). All of the LLDC responses to the EC were included. Mindful both of her background, and of the nervousness of clubs to be seen to pick fights with each other, the document observes:
We believe this is an example of an action which the Trust can take, which supports the Club’s interests, but which the Club might hesitate to take.
No reply was ever received from her to this document
On 28th September 2014, again at Richard Murray's suggestion we sent a further document which outlined the final verdict of the EC regarding our complaint. In the Executive Summary we wrote
Having carefully considered the responses, we have to reluctantly conclude that the Trust cannot respond further in a way which is likely to impress the EC, for two reasons:
2.1 It is likely that a lawyer experienced in EC competition law would be needed to review the response, and we do not have access to such a person
No reply was ever received from her to this document , either.
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I fail to see any point whatsoever in these meetings. We know that the higher echelons of the club are staffed by lying incompents. Neither Katrien or, more importantly, Roland are going to change or be swayed by reason. These meetings allow them to say them to say that the club meets fans and listens to them. We should operate a policy of no cooperation and no discussion at all with this bunch of scum.
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If only she had got Mandy to help out.0
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Straight out of the Bob Monkhouse book of gags. :-)Algarveaddick said:
Brilliant! I am pinching that...man_at_milletts said:You can't trust anything that comes out of KM's mouth.
I bet she has to get somebody else to whistle her dog.
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Cant really say as Im surprised.....we know she is imcompetent and unprofessional and as far as her being a lawyer, she couldnt have been practising for very long before her 3 month stint at Standard Leige, so no experience either.PragueAddick said:KM in minutes, re OS:
I’m obviously unhappy about the West Ham story because as a former lawyer specialized in that field it looks from the outset that there’s an argument for illegal state aid. But the harm is done, they’re moving in. So the only solution is try to make them pay a higher rental fee
On 16 May 2014, at Richard Murray's suggestion, CAST sent a document to KM outlining the full details of the State Aid complaint, which I initially raised out of curiosity, but became a full scale exercise supported by Wyn Grant and Chris Cheetham (@Mundell Fleming). All of the LLDC responses to the EC were included. Mindful both of her background, and of the nervousness of clubs to be seen to pick fights with each other, the document observes:
We believe this is an example of an action which the Trust can take, which supports the Club’s interests, but which the Club might hesitate to take.
No reply was ever received from her to this document
On 28th September 2014, again at Richard Murray's suggestion we sent a further document which outlined the final verdict of the EC regarding our complaint. In the Executive Summary we wrote
Having carefully considered the responses, we have to reluctantly conclude that the Trust cannot respond further in a way which is likely to impress the EC, for two reasons:
2.1 It is likely that a lawyer experienced in EC competition law would be needed to review the response, and we do not have access to such a person
No reply was ever received from her to this document , either.0 -
She's a disgrace to the legal profession, not easy.5
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That is the SMT from hell - inept to the core.
Never has the saying "You can't make a silk purse from a pigs ear" been more relevant.3 -
Why did no one ask her if she would be attending the POTY dinner? Then the next plan of attack could have been worked out!0
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What !!! This has been one of the most entertaining threads for ages. I can't wait for The July instalment.Mametz said:I fail to see any point whatsoever in these meetings. We know that the higher echelons of the club are staffed by lying incompents. Neither Katrien or, more importantly, Roland are going to change or be swayed by reason. These meetings allow them to say them to say that the club meets fans and listens to them. We should operate a policy of no cooperation and no discussion at all with this bunch of scum.
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A few things jump out. If Target 20k are on the sofa case, it is going to be a massive sofa - might need to knock a stand down to get it in. If we have a top 6 league one budget that is us buggered as we have no ability or intelligence to spend it, we need the highest budget to have any chance of success. The West Ham bit was confusing - if she is an expert in this area and only now realises the implications, it pretty much tells us what we need to know. Prague has pretty much explained their lack of awareness/interest up to now on the relevant thread. Lastly, if season tickets were above expectations, they would be telling us what they are, unless expectations are incredibly low - like zero!!!2
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Bloody livid!!!.
So Paul Elliot is a Liar. Chris Solly is a Liar. Previous Managers are Liars.
I think we know who the real Liar is. These minutes have obviously been sanitised and confirms that it is perfectly right now not to have any dialogue with this shameful regime.
The protests so far have been great but I fear that come the close season more damage to the structure and stability of our club will become evident which will be pushed under the carpet due to the lack of domestic football and the fact that an ailing League One club will not attract much press interest.
What half decent British manager would come to us while this regime is in charge. Also what quality players will we attract. We know football people talk to each other. A quick call to Chris Powell or Yann Kermorgant and you can just imagine what sort of "off the record" advice they would give. Bargepoles come to mind.8 -
That is a worry that they only aim to have one of the top six player budgets in league, given they claim the aim is promotion. Looks like they are planning for mid table at best.0
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The line that leaps out for me is 'The owner assessed the season last week and changes will be made'.
I am assuming she gave a very long winded waffling answer which the minute taker could not follow so summarised it with that line
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I agree it would be entertaining if this meeting had been early in the regime's stewardship of our club; we could chortle happily and wait for the inevitable lessons to be learnt. At this stage however all it does is enable them to say that do meet and engage with fans. Make no mistake a number of our fans actually believe the rubbish that emerges from these gatherings and the regime will be pleased with that. I know,and you know, that that Katrien is a liar and a fool but a significant number of supporters will believe her when she says that the regime will learn lessons, with the implication that a competent manager, scout etc are to be appointed soon. All in all the regime have won a points victory here.ShootersHillGuru said:
What !!! This has been one of the most entertaining threads for ages. I can't wait for The July instalment.Mametz said:I fail to see any point whatsoever in these meetings. We know that the higher echelons of the club are staffed by lying incompents. Neither Katrien or, more importantly, Roland are going to change or be swayed by reason. These meetings allow them to say them to say that the club meets fans and listens to them. We should operate a policy of no cooperation and no discussion at all with this bunch of scum.
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In what way can a woman who sells tickets be part of a group who RUNS A MULTIMILLION POUND BUSINESS!?
Smacks of "friends of katrien" In order to join the SMT... Ridiculous14 -
God I hate her1
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After going over those minutes again it appears that the rumour that I heard a few weeks ago is true regarding the make up of the SMT. If we cast our mind back over the past several years, club stalwart Mick Everett appears to not be on that list anymore - despite him being on it under Peter Varney's tenure.
Maybe Tony the Testicle is trying to force out even more people and could he even have an eye on the CEO's position, especially after keep giving KM bad advice.......5 -
All is not lost,new chief scout seen at valley!
KM meeting with Bear Grylls
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Good point, hadn't picked up on that.cafc999 said:After going over those minutes again it appears that the rumour that I heard a few weeks ago is true regarding the make up of the SMT. If we cast our mind back over the past several years, club stalwart Mick Everett appears to not be on that list anymore - despite him being on it under Peter Varney's tenure.
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