I absolutely applaud the efforts of Rikofold, Killerjerrylee and the rest to engage the club at the forums, but are they (on our behalf) not wasting their time? It is clear that no matter what the fans - sorry, "customers" - say, the person whose name is on the title deeds is going to carry on doing exactly what he wants to do. He bravely sticks an out-of-her-depth young woman in the line of fire, gets her to take the flak (which, thanks to the generous and kind nature of those involved, is reasonable and well presented, rather than the abuse that some would hurl her way), pretends that counts as involving the fans, even though he cannot be bothered to turn up, and then carries on regardless. I suggest that those who are invited accept their invitations, and then simply don't turn up. Leave the stooges sitting around chatting to themselves....
I can't see them agreeing to record then broadcasting it.
Katrien would have no credible answers providing the right questions are asked.
So if this goes ahead she will probably present a slide show of her Dubai holiday photo's, as she would probably be able to discuss hotel breakfasts and spa facilities with some up to date experience.
I don't think the Fans' Forum was ever designed to achieve root and branch change, but it is an opportunity to give the club enough rope to hang themselves, especially now it's videoed. Although it wouldn't surprise me if that commitment lasted just the one meeting.
The club officials are the gift that keeps on giving, because - as Mandy neatly evidenced - they just keep telling themselves everything's wonderful, at best playing feng shui with the Titanic's deckchairs. So as soon as one dissenting voice they resort to mocking, anger, floundering or outright lying. Such as the various meetings Varney apparently cancelled himself, or the pretence that residential accommodation is not part of the Jimmy Seed stand thinking.
Although it's quite possible I misinterpretated it all.
Get it right rikofold, not the Jimmy Seed Stand, it is the South Stand, ask Tony
If she is simply going to regurgitate what she has put out in the statement following relegation...blag..blah...working together...blah.blah....re-building etc. then it will indeed be worthless other than ticking the box that says: Fan Engagement by the SMT.
Only tendering her resignation at the meeting, where she could at least have the decency to face up to the damaging consequences of her time as CEO in public, would suffice as reason for it to happen.
If Katrien Meire sees herself as an integral part of the re-building process then she is more deluded than Duchatelet.
If this does go ahead, I'd like to request that all fans attending point blank refuse to accept any answers from anyone other than Katrien Meire. Nobody wants to hear from these lackeys and if you refuse to engage with them, she will be fully exposed and have to answer some awkward questions herself. It may also make her think twice about surrounding herself with these people at every fans meeting, and force her to face and engage with the fans properly.
I would also like her to explain why she is still in the role after such abject failure, and why she thinks she deserves to keep her job, rather than fall on her sword as any decent human being in a similar role would do.
I would like someone to ask her to give us a list of the mistakes they made and what is being done to address them. Just saying that they made mistakes is not good enough unless they know where they made them.
I don't know if this is the kind of thing that is covered at the Fans' Forum but I would love to know if Meire and her band of merry incompetents understand just how difficult it is to turn Charlton's fans against their own club? We're not a reactionary or volatile group - to bring things to where they are has taken a show of incompetence and arrogance that is simply extraordinary.
Do they realise what an achievement it is to turn one of the most civilised fanbases in the country into one of the most disruptive? Do they understand that it's not just sh!ts and giggles that are keeping this going, people, including myself, who have had a season ticket or gone to nigh on every home game for literally (and I mean literally, not metaphorically) as long as they can remember are facing the prospect of not attending a game at The Valley next season.
Charlton has been one of the strictest parts of our routine and most obvious parts of our personal identity since we were old enough to walk through the turnstiles and they have brought us to the brink of turning our back on what we had simply assumed would always be the appointments around which our calendars were built.
Do they have any grasp of the level of f*cking up and alienation that was required to bring about this situation? Because it was astronomical and yet they've exceeded it.
I don't agree with any of the comments that wish ill on Meire, for me her lack of expertise and experience have backed her into a corner and she is trying to claw her way out of it. It's a war of attrition though - everyone's losing - the sooner she goes the better. The sooner Roly buys some new shoes and walks away the better. The sooner Mandy 'we're not down yet?' the Misinterpretator is gone the better. The sooner Tony 'ban the fans' Cahones goes back to third rate catering, the better. The sooner 'Maverick' Murray puts on his aviators and leather jacket, climbs on his hog and rides off into the sunset the better. They have all shown themselves to be way below both the levels of professionalism and worse still, moral judgment, that we require in OUR club.
OK, that turned into a rant but I do genuinely wonder what kind of level of awareness there is around just how bad they must have been at their job to bring about the hole that we're now in?
I hope a question about the scale of the numbers involved in protests is asked. 5000 people marching at the last match, that's around a quarter of the home support.
Something like "in light of previous comments by the CEO and non-Executive Chairman, does the club still believe that only 2% of fans are dissatisfied and that its down to Internet message boards?"
I hope a question about the scale of the numbers involved in protests is asked. 5000 people marching at the last match, that's around a quarter of the home support.
Something like "in light of previous comments by the CEO and non-Executive Chairman, does the club still believe that only 2% of fans are dissatisfied and that its down to Internet message boards?"
Agreed but i'd like to think @rikofold and the rest go in a bit harder this time.
It's no longer time to hear what they say, it's time to get rid of them and that message has to be loud and clear.
I hope a question about the scale of the numbers involved in protests is asked. 5000 people marching at the last match, that's around a quarter of the home support.
Really! When was the last time you saw 20,000 Charlton fans in the Valley?
"The CEO has previously said that Charlton fans have to accept that it's Roland's club and he runs things his way. Since then, numerous statements have been released by Charlton acknowledging that mistakes have been made.
Does this mean that there is an acceptance that perhaps Roland's operating model is not suited to English football?
Another network club is Carl Ziess Jena, which has fallen through the German leagues with the same mistakes repeatedly made - Charlton fans will be hopeful that the SMT do not allow the same pattern to be replicated here."
Expect Miere to come out on front foot this evening after weekend events. Police investigations, bans, disgusting behaviour in west stand, stewards attacked with balloons, threatening behaviour, Sue and Mandy upset, etc etc
Expect Miere to come out on front foot this evening after weekend events. Police investigations, bans, disgusting behaviour in west stand, stewards attacked with balloons, threatening behaviour, Sue and Mandy upset, etc etc
Murray will nod.
Charlton is now a soap opera. I preferred it when it was a football club.
Expect Miere to come out on front foot this evening after weekend events. Police investigations, bans, disgusting behaviour in west stand, stewards attacked with balloons, threatening behaviour, Sue and Mandy upset, etc etc
Murray will nod.
Setting up the strategy committee announced in November, talking to British football staff, exciting signings in the summer, Roland here for the long term, all decisions correct, setting light to the fans' sofa in the centre circle at the end of the last match . . .
Expect Miere to come out on front foot this evening after weekend events. Police investigations, bans, disgusting behaviour in west stand, stewards attacked with balloons, threatening behaviour, Sue and Mandy upset, etc etc
Murray will nod.
Setting up the strategy committee announced in November, talking to British football staff, exciting signings in the summer, Roland here for the long term, all decisions correct, setting light to the fans' sofa in the centre circle at the end of the last match . . .
I hope a question about the scale of the numbers involved in protests is asked. 5000 people marching at the last match, that's around a quarter of the home support.
Something like "in light of previous comments by the CEO and non-Executive Chairman, does the club still believe that only 2% of fans are dissatisfied and that its down to Internet message boards?"
Given attendances of late (actual not season-ticket inflated), I would say 5000 is over half the home crowd.
Good luck tonight. What is important is that Meire is not allowed to spout on and is politely but firmly asked to account for her running of the club. Clearly she has the backing of RD, but the vast majority supporters believe she is unfit for purpose. She should also be asked directly if there was any interference in team selection on Saturday, and what happened with the Soley/Gillingham mess earlier in the season. The questions are endless. I suspect the answers will be vague, patronising and unclear,
I hope a question about the scale of the numbers involved in protests is asked. 5000 people marching at the last match, that's around a quarter of the home support.
Really! When was the last time you saw 20,000 Charlton fans in the Valley?
I thought they officially tended to quote 17ish thousand on the tannoy?
Katrien is on record at the last fans forum meeting that there are weekly enquiries to buy the club. Rolands famous statement says not.
Don't ask for an updated situation report regarding buyers, simply ask Katrien whether we are to believe what she says, or what Roland says when he comes out with the opposite.
Ask why Mel Baroni left after 46 days.
Ask her why decent calm gentle fans like me can't attend football matches at the Valley, without my day being absolutely ruined by disruption and protest.
I hope a question about the scale of the numbers involved in protests is asked. 5000 people marching at the last match, that's around a quarter of the home support.
Really! When was the last time you saw 20,000 Charlton fans in the Valley?
I thought they officially tended to quote 17ish thousand on the tannoy?
The tannoy announcements include away fans and all season tickets and comps. If you take out the away fans and the number of people not attending due to what is happening at the Valley you will have a lot less. Sorry I may have misunderstood you as well as you said "home" support which I took to be Charlton fans thus excluding away support.
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I can't see them agreeing to record then broadcasting it.
Katrien would have no credible answers providing the right questions are asked.
So if this goes ahead she will probably present a slide show of her Dubai holiday photo's, as she would probably be able to discuss hotel breakfasts and spa facilities with some up to date experience.
Fan Engagement by the SMT.
Only tendering her resignation at the meeting, where she could at least have the decency to face up to the damaging consequences of her time as CEO in public, would suffice as reason for it to happen.
If Katrien Meire sees herself as an integral part of the re-building process then she is more deluded than Duchatelet.
I would also like her to explain why she is still in the role after such abject failure, and why she thinks she deserves to keep her job, rather than fall on her sword as any decent human being in a similar role would do.
I don't know if this is the kind of thing that is covered at the Fans' Forum but I would love to know if Meire and her band of merry incompetents understand just how difficult it is to turn Charlton's fans against their own club? We're not a reactionary or volatile group - to bring things to where they are has taken a show of incompetence and arrogance that is simply extraordinary.
Do they realise what an achievement it is to turn one of the most civilised fanbases in the country into one of the most disruptive? Do they understand that it's not just sh!ts and giggles that are keeping this going, people, including myself, who have had a season ticket or gone to nigh on every home game for literally (and I mean literally, not metaphorically) as long as they can remember are facing the prospect of not attending a game at The Valley next season.
Charlton has been one of the strictest parts of our routine and most obvious parts of our personal identity since we were old enough to walk through the turnstiles and they have brought us to the brink of turning our back on what we had simply assumed would always be the appointments around which our calendars were built.
Do they have any grasp of the level of f*cking up and alienation that was required to bring about this situation? Because it was astronomical and yet they've exceeded it.
I don't agree with any of the comments that wish ill on Meire, for me her lack of expertise and experience have backed her into a corner and she is trying to claw her way out of it. It's a war of attrition though - everyone's losing - the sooner she goes the better. The sooner Roly buys some new shoes and walks away the better. The sooner Mandy 'we're not down yet?' the Misinterpretator is gone the better. The sooner Tony 'ban the fans' Cahones goes back to third rate catering, the better. The sooner 'Maverick' Murray puts on his aviators and leather jacket, climbs on his hog and rides off into the sunset the better. They have all shown themselves to be way below both the levels of professionalism and worse still, moral judgment, that we require in OUR club.
OK, that turned into a rant but I do genuinely wonder what kind of level of awareness there is around just how bad they must have been at their job to bring about the hole that we're now in?
Something like "in light of previous comments by the CEO and non-Executive Chairman, does the club still believe that only 2% of fans are dissatisfied and that its down to Internet message boards?"
It's no longer time to hear what they say, it's time to get rid of them and that message has to be loud and clear.
Does this mean that there is an acceptance that perhaps Roland's operating model is not suited to English football?
Another network club is Carl Ziess Jena, which has fallen through the German leagues with the same mistakes repeatedly made - Charlton fans will be hopeful that the SMT do not allow the same pattern to be replicated here."
Murray will nod.
Rolands famous statement says not.
Don't ask for an updated situation report regarding buyers, simply ask Katrien whether we are to believe what she says, or what Roland says when he comes out with the opposite.
Ask why Mel Baroni left after 46 days.
Ask her why decent calm gentle fans like me can't attend football matches at the Valley, without my day being absolutely ruined by disruption and protest.