I can't believe he wants to go to QPR there shit I could understand burnley in premier league but them in there match box ground it's all bullocks.can we chuck these Belgiums out our country now we are out of Europe. Piss off
I doubt any prem clubs would've come in for him. QPR will be an attractive proposition for him being a London club and recently in the prem
He's young, has a decent record, tons of potential, and he's british. He is nowhere near his peak age group yet either. If they sign him now you could still get 15 years out of him. For a club to have just earned £150m that offer is derisory.
It appears to come from the QPR end. A lower figure in the public domain would suit them as it looks to their fans as if they have a bargain and are shrewd negotiators. Having been a basket case for years in the way they recruited players they need that.
But even if it isn't true it has been repeated so often now it will be accepted as fact.
Why didn't Charlton get a figure out there in advance? They will no doubt try and get a different (and possibly true) figure out there but it will be too little and too late.
Again Katrien will at best be reactive, not proactive, in getting her story out there and so loses again. Her news management is close to non-existent, we have no comms manager and no comms strategy. Did they think the Solly deal would deflect anger over a Cousins sale? They certainly thought that the Ajose, Novak and Holmes deals would bring back lapsed ST holders as they have instructed the company calling those ex-STs to ask the question.
Most of use realised that Cousins, and JBG, would go as soon as we were relegated. They want to go and more importantly the club are desperate to move them on. Their new contracts last summer were very expensive (£25k pw for JBG according to Redhenry who is normally a realiable source).
Katrien had, and presumably still has, targets each season for player sales. So someone has to go.
The question is that what are KMs sales targets? How much does she need to raise? Because if we "only" get £1.5m for Cousins but she budgeted for it being £3m then that extra money has to come from somewhere.
Roland could loan the club he owns some more money. Yes, he could but I don't think it is likely. He's set the budget and that will be that. So it either comes from savings or from sales. KM appears to have told Roland that changing the Belgian deckchairs for some British versions on the Charlton Titanic will stop the ship sinking.
But the good ship Charlton will only survive if it changes direction more substantially. Away from the small, inexperienced, injury prone iceberg that sunk the ship last year and towards the open sea of a balanced squad, with a good blend and an experienced skipper (which in Slade at least we have).
So Meire has to somehow meet Roland's budget AND allow Slade to build a proper squad. Even for an experienced and skilled CEO that would be a big ask, for Katrien it will be next to impossible.
Youngsters: Dimitar Mitov, Ezri Konsa, Terell Thomas, Ollie Muldoon, Brandon Hanlan and Josh Umerah Trialists: Lewis Buxton, Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley
Havent traveled to Austria Injured: Ahmed Kashi, Alou Diarra and El-Hadji Ba Other: Jordan Cousins
So looks like Nick Pope has gone to Austria as per the question asked... Shame that the three injured players havent traveled as if they are to remain with Charlton it would surely be good for them to be there based on bonding reasons at least.
Youngsters: Dimitar Mitov, Ezri Konsa, Terell Thomas, Ollie Muldoon, Brandon Hanlan and Josh Umerah Trialists: Lewis Buxton, Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley
Havent traveled to Austria Injured: Ahmed Kashi, Alou Diarra and El-Hadji Ba Other: Jordan Cousins
So looks like Nick Pope has gone to Austria as per the question asked... Shame that the three injured players havent traveled as if they are to remain with Charlton it would surely be good for them to be there based on bonding reasons at least.
Youngsters: Dimitar Mitov, Ezri Konsa, Terell Thomas, Ollie Muldoon, Brandon Hanlan and Josh Umerah Trialists: Lewis Buxton, Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley
Havent traveled to Austria Injured: Ahmed Kashi, Alou Diarra and El-Hadji Ba Other: Jordan Cousins
So looks like Nick Pope has gone to Austria as per the question asked... Shame that the three injured players havent traveled as if they are to remain with Charlton it would surely be good for them to be there based on bonding reasons at least.
Yes considering Lennon has gone.
Seems from the list that Patrick Bauer has gone.
Either means that both Lennon and Bauer are closer to fitness than you'd think or that Diarra and Ba are out for as long as Kashi
I don't believe Cousins is a 3 million pound player now, but i certainly would expect him to be in a few years. All those saying the price is fair, it should look fair when you take into account the development potential of a player. 2 years in the champ already, improved each year, pretty young.....1.5 million is bad business.
But who knows what it will really be.
Two weeks ago I had hopes the squad might look decent enough with quality. Now I am dreading the look of it in another 2 weeks.
He's young, has a decent record, tons of potential, and he's british. He is nowhere near his peak age group yet either. If they sign him now you could still get 15 years out of him. For a club to have just earned £150m that offer is derisory.
Think 900,000 for Pope is very good offer , considering most fans 12 months ago would have let him go for nothing
No it's not. "Most" fans don't matter when it comes to transfer fees, and that's entirely subjective anyway. Pope has the quality to be a Premier League keeper. Joe Hart went for 1m a decade ago despite being younger. He had bigger upside but inflation has been dramatic since then and Pope is far closer to the finished article.
He's young, has a decent record, tons of potential, and he's british. He is nowhere near his peak age group yet either. If they sign him now you could still get 15 years out of him. For a club to have just earned £150m that offer is derisory.
Think 900,000 for Pope is very good offer , considering most fans 12 months ago would have let him go for nothing
I've beenb vocal of my support for Pope. His record at lower leagues is better than Joe Hart's was. He has tons of potential and £900k is nowhere near enough.
We don't need the money like we previously did so NO DEAL is the way forward.
I'd rather lose Cousins for £1.5 than Pope at £900k - Both have tons of potential but I feel Pope is more likely to reach his.
The upshot of Meire working within her budget is that last season she allowed players such as Williams, Vaz Te, Sonogo, and yes, Johnson, to be pressed on floundering managers who were inadequately supported at the beginning of the season. The approach is kind of, 'thats sort of all right, and if this don't work we'll always have that....Academy academy academy to boot'.
If Slade has been clearly told right now, 'these are your players, these will leave, you have to get on with it' then we know where we are. Instead we have loads of maybe's.
Maybe the injured players will get fit. Maybe one or two players expected to leave will stay. Maybe you can get a tune out of the more dodgy players like Watt, Cebellos, Ba, Johnson or whoever. Maybe the promising youngsters will bestride the stage like Colossuses. Maybe when Slade says players won't leave for rubbish fee's it is true Maybe when Slade says we will get players in, it is over and above the choice we have now, including the triallists.
Lots of maybes, each worthy of a plan and contingency.
I don't believe Katrien is capable of anything like the kind of planning and attention to detail needed.
When commenting on one area of difficulty last season, the injuries, her shallow response was we have to scout players that have played 30 times the previous season. That is kind of it with Katrien isn't it? Katrien lives in the kind of world where you hire agents in, or consultants, or temps, or extra security or whatever. Or ask Siri.
Henry puts it so well, at best she is a reactive CEO, and usually her reactions are very costly and wrong.
Before relegation the club were in denial, no thought of planning for the inevitable which most could see coming as early as February, and since then we have had a call the midwife approach to all the subsequent tasks.
Katrien said it was now a fresh start at Charlton, there is a long way to go to make that claim seem credible.
It was mentioned earlier that the club stuck by Cousins when he was having personal trouble. I wasn't around for that and must have missed it, could someone enlighten me please?
Foley Crofts and Buxton. Looks as if a couple of them will be incoming then. Good to see Slade given some of the JBG/Cousins/Lookman dividend to buy some credible players in their mid twenties. The players people want from us have more future ahead than past behind. Slade is presented with our squad Develops and Johnson and all, gets a few sweeteners in the three we have signed, and then presumably expected to fill the gaps with kids. I hope I am wrong but it looks like the same old same old, with a frisson of Paul Benson, Gary Doherty type players thrown in to cement our standing as a third tier club.
My predictive translated 'Cebellos' to 'Develops'.
It was mentioned earlier that the club stuck by Cousins when he was having personal trouble. I wasn't around for that and must have missed it, could someone enlighten me please?
From what I remember, he was about 16, and accused of rape; always denied it, and in the end the girl dropped the charges.
He's young, has a decent record, tons of potential, and he's british. He is nowhere near his peak age group yet either. If they sign him now you could still get 15 years out of him. For a club to have just earned £150m that offer is derisory.
Think 900,000 for Pope is very good offer , considering most fans 12 months ago would have let him go for nothing
Okay, I'll bite, though I usually avoid your sillier posts. Can you please explain why the opinión of most fans one year ago is in any way representative of what a player is worth today? We aren't selling him a year ago, we are selling the player who finished the season as first choice.
I think £900000 for Colin to fuck off to burnley would be worth it
Source?
Burnley have suffered another knock back in the transfer market after Charlton rejected their £900,000 offer for goalkeeper Nick Pope.
Burnley boss Sean Dyche wants back up for England's Tom Heaton and has identified Pope and Northern Ireland's No.1 and free agent Michael McGovern as targets.
But Charlton dismissed the Clarets' £900,000 offer for Pope and are determined to hang on to their No.1.
The Clarets' failed bid for Pope is their third rejection this week.
That has to be the greatest post ever on this forum.
I think £900000 for Colin to fuck off to burnley would be worth it
Source?
Burnley have suffered another knock back in the transfer market after Charlton rejected their £900,000 offer for goalkeeper Nick Pope.
Burnley boss Sean Dyche wants back up for England's Tom Heaton and has identified Pope and Northern Ireland's No.1 and free agent Michael McGovern as targets.
But Charlton dismissed the Clarets' £900,000 offer for Pope and are determined to hang on to their No.1.
The Clarets' failed bid for Pope is their third rejection this week.
That has to be the greatest post ever on this forum.
He's young, has a decent record, tons of potential, and he's british. He is nowhere near his peak age group yet either. If they sign him now you could still get 15 years out of him. For a club to have just earned £150m that offer is derisory.
Think 900,000 for Pope is very good offer , considering most fans 12 months ago would have let him go for nothing
He's young, has a decent record, tons of potential, and he's british. He is nowhere near his peak age group yet either. If they sign him now you could still get 15 years out of him. For a club to have just earned £150m that offer is derisory.
Think 900,000 for Pope is very good offer , considering most fans 12 months ago would have let him go for nothing
So of out oldish trialists, Crofts has played 80 ganes in two seasons, Foley two dozen in two seasons and Buxton 20 games last season and we are connected with Paul Taylor who barely kicked a ball for a year. Nice to know previous mistakes have been recognised and acted on. Meanwhile we have two fit CHs one of them being RoJo.
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He's young, has a decent record, tons of potential, and he's british. He is nowhere near his peak age group yet either. If they sign him now you could still get 15 years out of him.
For a club to have just earned £150m that offer is derisory.
I'm not sure I believe the £1.5m figure.
It appears to come from the QPR end. A lower figure in the public domain would suit them as it looks to their fans as if they have a bargain and are shrewd negotiators. Having been a basket case for years in the way they recruited players they need that.
But even if it isn't true it has been repeated so often now it will be accepted as fact.
Why didn't Charlton get a figure out there in advance? They will no doubt try and get a different (and possibly true) figure out there but it will be too little and too late.
Again Katrien will at best be reactive, not proactive, in getting her story out there and so loses again. Her news management is close to non-existent, we have no comms manager and no comms strategy. Did they think the Solly deal would deflect anger over a Cousins sale? They certainly thought that the Ajose, Novak and Holmes deals would bring back lapsed ST holders as they have instructed the company calling those ex-STs to ask the question.
Most of use realised that Cousins, and JBG, would go as soon as we were relegated. They want to go and more importantly the club are desperate to move them on. Their new contracts last summer were very expensive (£25k pw for JBG according to Redhenry who is normally a realiable source).
Katrien had, and presumably still has, targets each season for player sales. So someone has to go.
The question is that what are KMs sales targets? How much does she need to raise? Because if we "only" get £1.5m for Cousins but she budgeted for it being £3m then that extra money has to come from somewhere.
Roland could loan the club he owns some more money. Yes, he could but I don't think it is likely. He's set the budget and that will be that. So it either comes from savings or from sales. KM appears to have told Roland that changing the Belgian deckchairs for some British versions on the Charlton Titanic will stop the ship sinking.
But the good ship Charlton will only survive if it changes direction more substantially. Away from the small, inexperienced, injury prone iceberg that sunk the ship last year and towards the open sea of a balanced squad, with a good blend and an experienced skipper (which in Slade at least we have).
So Meire has to somehow meet Roland's budget AND allow Slade to build a proper squad. Even for an experienced and skilled CEO that would be a big ask, for Katrien it will be next to impossible.
Youngsters: Dimitar Mitov, Ezri Konsa, Terell Thomas, Ollie Muldoon, Brandon Hanlan and Josh Umerah
Trialists: Lewis Buxton, Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley
Havent traveled to Austria
Injured: Ahmed Kashi, Alou Diarra and El-Hadji Ba
Other: Jordan Cousins
So looks like Nick Pope has gone to Austria as per the question asked... Shame that the three injured players havent traveled as if they are to remain with Charlton it would surely be good for them to be there based on bonding reasons at least.
Either means that both Lennon and Bauer are closer to fitness than you'd think or that Diarra and Ba are out for as long as Kashi
But who knows what it will really be.
Two weeks ago I had hopes the squad might look decent enough with quality. Now I am dreading the look of it in another 2 weeks.
No it's not. "Most" fans don't matter when it comes to transfer fees, and that's entirely subjective anyway. Pope has the quality to be a Premier League keeper. Joe Hart went for 1m a decade ago despite being younger. He had bigger upside but inflation has been dramatic since then and Pope is far closer to the finished article.
We don't need the money like we previously did so NO DEAL is the way forward.
I'd rather lose Cousins for £1.5 than Pope at £900k - Both have tons of potential but I feel Pope is more likely to reach his.
The upshot of Meire working within her budget is that last season she allowed players such as Williams, Vaz Te, Sonogo, and yes, Johnson, to be pressed on floundering managers who were inadequately supported at the beginning of the season. The approach is kind of, 'thats sort of all right, and if this don't work we'll always have that....Academy academy academy to boot'.
If Slade has been clearly told right now, 'these are your players, these will leave, you have to get on with it' then we know where we are. Instead we have loads of maybe's.
Maybe the injured players will get fit.
Maybe one or two players expected to leave will stay.
Maybe you can get a tune out of the more dodgy players like Watt, Cebellos, Ba, Johnson or whoever.
Maybe the promising youngsters will bestride the stage like Colossuses.
Maybe when Slade says players won't leave for rubbish fee's it is true
Maybe when Slade says we will get players in, it is over and above the choice we have now, including the triallists.
Lots of maybes, each worthy of a plan and contingency.
I don't believe Katrien is capable of anything like the kind of planning and attention to detail needed.
When commenting on one area of difficulty last season, the injuries, her shallow response was we have to scout players that have played 30 times the previous season. That is kind of it with Katrien isn't it? Katrien lives in the kind of world where you hire agents in, or consultants, or temps, or extra security or whatever. Or ask Siri.
Henry puts it so well, at best she is a reactive CEO, and usually her reactions are very costly and wrong.
Before relegation the club were in denial, no thought of planning for the inevitable which most could see coming as early as February, and since then we have had a call the midwife approach to all the subsequent tasks.
Katrien said it was now a fresh start at Charlton, there is a long way to go to make that claim seem credible.