Call me green but it would be nice if we were looking to try and keep players rather than out at the earliest possible opportunity. At least try and give it till the January window then let them go if we are not in an agreed position in the table.
The Belgians have no ambition.
So Pope moving on alone then is the concern?
And if he decided he wanted to go cashing in makes sense. Nothing RD specific in this sort of transaction. As I've read it on here the club resisted but inevitably a mutually acceptable price was found.
I dont see Lookman going anywhere... If he was going to leave then teams would have signed him by now (i.e. Young talent means teams cant dither else someone else will nip in and get him)... i.e. with Joe Gomez last summer there were rumours (substantial ones) from the moment we played against Bournemouth on the last day of the season
I think that Lookman will be going. Maybe a chance of a loan back to us.
A new manager has seen his squad play three friendlies so far. He will know the shape of the team he wants and whether existing players can fit.
He will have been given a budget to work with. Give him a chance to do his job and see what his squad is before the first game.
Unfortunately the club has always sold popular players to balance the books. No difference now and much like every other club in the country.
This is a rumours thread not a speculation one. You don't know the financial aspects of transfer deals so why get upset at guesses from blogs and journalists?
I can see where you're coming from.
But I can almost hear the excuses now.
"I only got these players in a week or so ago, so it will take 4 or 5 games to get them working together"
"We've not really had the time to get players in"
And the usual deadline day quote at 10pm. "There wasn't any chance of getting a deal done today" - we only had 3 months to get it done.
We need to bring in 6/7 maybe 8 players. Without anymore going. It's farcical.
If we're serious about promotion we need to have a squad ready for 6th August. We won't. Nothing has changed.
You're right. If RD was really really serious about promotion then nothing would be left to chance. A suitable squad would be nearing completion irrespective of which players they wanted/needed to leave. This smells like the last 2 summers.
One thing that seems to be emerging is that Slade has about as much influence on player movement as Powell, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, and Fraeye. The regime throw the managers a few crumbs like Vetokele or Kashi or Ajose and then compel them to use desperate loans or unready youngsters. If there is to be any hope then a convincing narrative that Slade is in charge in a completely different way to previous managers then he needs a meaningful budget and autonomy over arrivals and to an extent departures. Older lifers might know what I mean by saying Slade needs his 'clause four' moment. The only other refuge for fans is to see wins, however they happen, luck, fluke, dominate, overwhelm I don't care, but wins are the only acceptable diet...oh and promotion. The current vibe for me is a nice innocent man who is dancing to the same old tune, presumably for the money. The darker interpretation is that Slade is gung ho complicit with this regime.
You seem to be determined to micro analyse every event or transfer as evidence of some failing of RD. In this instance we really do need to wait until the final (or near final) squad is in place. I don't get the references by some that RD is in sme way trying to extract value from the club. You just don't make meaningful returns in most cases of football ownership, there will be a budget that Slade knows to work within.
Players always leave and indeed should as the collective result was relegation.
The domino effect and brinkmanship at all clubs in negotiations means many transfers go to the wire of deadline day. It's not healthy but is the reality.
As far as I can see Slade is determining the players and KM holds the purse strings - some deals come off and some don't.
A million for Pope if true is a good deal based on his perceived ability by many on here - he didn't consistently inspire confidence in us all.
Slade does not seem to have much say in the players we are selling.
Give Lookman, Watt and Teixeira leaving then unless Slade tells us to f*** off it leads me to think he is another yes man.
You can't seriously have believed JBG and Cousins were going to stay. The surprise is Pope but everyone has a price.
The names you quote are likely to go as well and Slade would realise that more than you or I. Reality is we are 3rd tier now and that limits appeal to existing and prospective players.
Of course not, I realise that players will go.
Call me green but it would be nice if we were looking to try and keep players rather than out at the earliest possible opportunity. At least try and give it till the January window then let them go if we are not in an agreed position in the table.
The Belgians have no ambition.
Spoke with Nick Pope at some length at last season's Sponsors' dinner and what a smashing young man he is....
Unless the couple of vinos I'd sipped in a ladylike fashion that evening clouded my judgement, I'd swear he had no intention of leaving us during the close season & was proud of his achievements in goal since he replaced Henders.
It follows, that as EA stated, no great attempt has been made by the cabal to persuade him to stay.
As always, the sniff of a "profit" means any relevant players are ushered out without a backwards glance.
Just as we are "customers", the players are commodities.
And whether we have an English manager or not, nothing will change this modus operandi.
One thing that seems to be emerging is that Slade has about as much influence on player movement as Powell, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, and Fraeye. The regime throw the managers a few crumbs like Vetokele or Kashi or Ajose and then compel them to use desperate loans or unready youngsters. If there is to be any hope then a convincing narrative that Slade is in charge in a completely different way to previous managers then he needs a meaningful budget and autonomy over arrivals and to an extent departures. Older lifers might know what I mean by saying Slade needs his 'clause four' moment. The only other refuge for fans is to see wins, however they happen, luck, fluke, dominate, overwhelm I don't care, but wins are the only acceptable diet...oh and promotion. The current vibe for me is a nice innocent man who is dancing to the same old tune, presumably for the money. The darker interpretation is that Slade is gung ho complicit with this regime.
You seem to be determined to micro analyse every event or transfer as evidence of some failing of RD. In this instance we really do need to wait until the final (or near final) squad is in place. I don't get the references by some that RD is in sme way trying to extract value from the club. You just don't make meaningful returns in most cases of football ownership, there will be a budget that Slade knows to work within.
Players always leave and indeed should as the collective result was relegation.
The domino effect and brinkmanship at all clubs in negotiations means many transfers go to the wire of deadline day. It's not healthy but is the reality.
As far as I can see Slade is determining the players and KM holds the purse strings - some deals come off and some don't.
A million for Pope if true is a good deal based on his perceived ability by many on here - he didn't consistently inspire confidence in us all.
Slade does not seem to have much say in the players we are selling.
Give Lookman, Watt and Teixeira leaving then unless Slade tells us to f*** off it leads me to think he is another yes man.
You can't seriously have believed JBG and Cousins were going to stay. The surprise is Pope but everyone has a price.
The names you quote are likely to go as well and Slade would realise that more than you or I. Reality is we are 3rd tier now and that limits appeal to existing and prospective players.
Of course not, I realise that players will go.
Call me green but it would be nice if we were looking to try and keep players rather than out at the earliest possible opportunity. At least try and give it till the January window then let them go if we are not in an agreed position in the table.
The Belgians have no ambition.
Spoke with Nick Pope at some length at last season's Sponsors' dinner and what a smashing young man he is....
Unless the couple of vinos I'd sipped in a ladylike fashion that evening clouded my judgement, I'd swear he had no intention of leaving us during the close season & was proud of his achievements in goal since he replaced Henders.
It follows, that as EA stated, no great attempt has been made by the cabal to persuade him to stay.
As always, the sniff of a "profit" means any relevant players are ushered out without a backwards glance.
Just as we are "customers", the players are commodities.
And whether we have an English manager or not, nothing will change this modus operandi.
Looks like my guesstimate of 6 debuts at Bury will not he too far out.
There was a quote on here a few months back to the effect that if you want to judge what decisions a businessman will make in the future, look at what he has previously done. This summer shows a marked similarity to last close season. It's not over yet, but a lot of people are criticizing RD and that CEO for being useless as they can plainly see a very clear pattern. Most of us would like to see a successful team, but it's silly to criticise the doom sayers, when all our experience with these guys says that they spend the minimum and wing it.
One thing that seems to be emerging is that Slade has about as much influence on player movement as Powell, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, and Fraeye. The regime throw the managers a few crumbs like Vetokele or Kashi or Ajose and then compel them to use desperate loans or unready youngsters. If there is to be any hope then a convincing narrative that Slade is in charge in a completely different way to previous managers then he needs a meaningful budget and autonomy over arrivals and to an extent departures. Older lifers might know what I mean by saying Slade needs his 'clause four' moment. The only other refuge for fans is to see wins, however they happen, luck, fluke, dominate, overwhelm I don't care, but wins are the only acceptable diet...oh and promotion. The current vibe for me is a nice innocent man who is dancing to the same old tune, presumably for the money. The darker interpretation is that Slade is gung ho complicit with this regime.
You seem to be determined to micro analyse every event or transfer as evidence of some failing of RD. In this instance we really do need to wait until the final (or near final) squad is in place. I don't get the references by some that RD is in sme way trying to extract value from the club. You just don't make meaningful returns in most cases of football ownership, there will be a budget that Slade knows to work within.
Players always leave and indeed should as the collective result was relegation.
The domino effect and brinkmanship at all clubs in negotiations means many transfers go to the wire of deadline day. It's not healthy but is the reality.
As far as I can see Slade is determining the players and KM holds the purse strings - some deals come off and some don't.
A million for Pope if true is a good deal based on his perceived ability by many on here - he didn't consistently inspire confidence in us all.
Slade does not seem to have much say in the players we are selling.
Give Lookman, Watt and Teixeira leaving then unless Slade tells us to f*** off it leads me to think he is another yes man.
You can't seriously have believed JBG and Cousins were going to stay. The surprise is Pope but everyone has a price.
The names you quote are likely to go as well and Slade would realise that more than you or I. Reality is we are 3rd tier now and that limits appeal to existing and prospective players.
Of course not, I realise that players will go.
Call me green but it would be nice if we were looking to try and keep players rather than out at the earliest possible opportunity. At least try and give it till the January window then let them go if we are not in an agreed position in the table.
The Belgians have no ambition.
Spoke with Nick Pope at some length at last season's Sponsors' dinner and what a smashing young man he is....
Unless the couple of vinos I'd sipped in a ladylike fashion that evening clouded my judgement, I'd swear he had no intention of leaving us during the close season & was proud of his achievements in goal since he replaced Henders.
It follows, that as EA stated, no great attempt has been made by the cabal to persuade him to stay.
As always, the sniff of a "profit" means any relevant players are ushered out without a backwards glance.
Just as we are "customers", the players are commodities.
And whether we have an English manager or not, nothing will change this modus operandi.
One thing that seems to be emerging is that Slade has about as much influence on player movement as Powell, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, and Fraeye. The regime throw the managers a few crumbs like Vetokele or Kashi or Ajose and then compel them to use desperate loans or unready youngsters. If there is to be any hope then a convincing narrative that Slade is in charge in a completely different way to previous managers then he needs a meaningful budget and autonomy over arrivals and to an extent departures. Older lifers might know what I mean by saying Slade needs his 'clause four' moment. The only other refuge for fans is to see wins, however they happen, luck, fluke, dominate, overwhelm I don't care, but wins are the only acceptable diet...oh and promotion. The current vibe for me is a nice innocent man who is dancing to the same old tune, presumably for the money. The darker interpretation is that Slade is gung ho complicit with this regime.
You seem to be determined to micro analyse every event or transfer as evidence of some failing of RD. In this instance we really do need to wait until the final (or near final) squad is in place. I don't get the references by some that RD is in sme way trying to extract value from the club. You just don't make meaningful returns in most cases of football ownership, there will be a budget that Slade knows to work within.
Players always leave and indeed should as the collective result was relegation.
The domino effect and brinkmanship at all clubs in negotiations means many transfers go to the wire of deadline day. It's not healthy but is the reality.
As far as I can see Slade is determining the players and KM holds the purse strings - some deals come off and some don't.
A million for Pope if true is a good deal based on his perceived ability by many on here - he didn't consistently inspire confidence in us all.
Slade does not seem to have much say in the players we are selling.
Give Lookman, Watt and Teixeira leaving then unless Slade tells us to f*** off it leads me to think he is another yes man.
You can't seriously have believed JBG and Cousins were going to stay. The surprise is Pope but everyone has a price.
The names you quote are likely to go as well and Slade would realise that more than you or I. Reality is we are 3rd tier now and that limits appeal to existing and prospective players.
Of course not, I realise that players will go.
Call me green but it would be nice if we were looking to try and keep players rather than out at the earliest possible opportunity. At least try and give it till the January window then let them go if we are not in an agreed position in the table.
The Belgians have no ambition.
Spoke with Nick Pope at some length at last season's Sponsors' dinner and what a smashing young man he is....
Unless the couple of vinos I'd sipped in a ladylike fashion that evening clouded my judgement, I'd swear he had no intention of leaving us during the close season & was proud of his achievements in goal since he replaced Henders.
It follows, that as EA stated, no great attempt has been made by the cabal to persuade him to stay.
As always, the sniff of a "profit" means any relevant players are ushered out without a backwards glance.
Just as we are "customers", the players are commodities.
And whether we have an English manager or not, nothing will change this modus operandi.
Spot on
except that he didn't know at that point that a Premier League team would want him. Not easy to say no to a move that will set him up for the rest of his life.
One thing that seems to be emerging is that Slade has about as much influence on player movement as Powell, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, and Fraeye. The regime throw the managers a few crumbs like Vetokele or Kashi or Ajose and then compel them to use desperate loans or unready youngsters. If there is to be any hope then a convincing narrative that Slade is in charge in a completely different way to previous managers then he needs a meaningful budget and autonomy over arrivals and to an extent departures. Older lifers might know what I mean by saying Slade needs his 'clause four' moment. The only other refuge for fans is to see wins, however they happen, luck, fluke, dominate, overwhelm I don't care, but wins are the only acceptable diet...oh and promotion. The current vibe for me is a nice innocent man who is dancing to the same old tune, presumably for the money. The darker interpretation is that Slade is gung ho complicit with this regime.
You seem to be determined to micro analyse every event or transfer as evidence of some failing of RD. In this instance we really do need to wait until the final (or near final) squad is in place. I don't get the references by some that RD is in sme way trying to extract value from the club. You just don't make meaningful returns in most cases of football ownership, there will be a budget that Slade knows to work within.
Players always leave and indeed should as the collective result was relegation.
The domino effect and brinkmanship at all clubs in negotiations means many transfers go to the wire of deadline day. It's not healthy but is the reality.
As far as I can see Slade is determining the players and KM holds the purse strings - some deals come off and some don't.
A million for Pope if true is a good deal based on his perceived ability by many on here - he didn't consistently inspire confidence in us all.
Slade does not seem to have much say in the players we are selling.
Give Lookman, Watt and Teixeira leaving then unless Slade tells us to f*** off it leads me to think he is another yes man.
You can't seriously have believed JBG and Cousins were going to stay. The surprise is Pope but everyone has a price.
The names you quote are likely to go as well and Slade would realise that more than you or I. Reality is we are 3rd tier now and that limits appeal to existing and prospective players.
Of course not, I realise that players will go.
Call me green but it would be nice if we were looking to try and keep players rather than out at the earliest possible opportunity. At least try and give it till the January window then let them go if we are not in an agreed position in the table.
The Belgians have no ambition.
Spoke with Nick Pope at some length at last season's Sponsors' dinner and what a smashing young man he is....
Unless the couple of vinos I'd sipped in a ladylike fashion that evening clouded my judgement, I'd swear he had no intention of leaving us during the close season & was proud of his achievements in goal since he replaced Henders.
It follows, that as EA stated, no great attempt has been made by the cabal to persuade him to stay.
As always, the sniff of a "profit" means any relevant players are ushered out without a backwards glance.
Just as we are "customers", the players are commodities.
And whether we have an English manager or not, nothing will change this modus operandi.
Spot on
except that he didn't know at that point that a Premier League team would want him. Not easy to say no to a move that will set him up for the rest of his life.
Fair enough, but I'll wager he won't be overjoyed if the Burnley no 1 stays fit all season. Nick struck me as a lad that wants to play...
But, of course, he has his future to consider & money talks.
I dont see Lookman going anywhere... If he was going to leave then teams would have signed him by now (i.e. Young talent means teams cant dither else someone else will nip in and get him)... i.e. with Joe Gomez last summer there were rumours (substantial ones) from the moment we played against Bournemouth on the last day of the season
I think that Lookman will be going. Maybe a chance of a loan back to us.
Doubt it with our clowns in charge.
Any premier league side: How much for Lookman?
Katrien: We'd like 4m and a season long loan back.
Premier league side: We'll give you 1.5m, plus 250k if we win the champions league next year and another 250k if England win the 2018 world cup and you can't have him back on loan.
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So Pope moving on alone then is the concern?
And if he decided he wanted to go cashing in makes sense. Nothing RD specific in this sort of transaction. As I've read it on here the club resisted but inevitably a mutually acceptable price was found.
End of August is when we will know.
Unless the couple of vinos I'd sipped in a ladylike fashion that evening clouded my judgement, I'd swear he had no intention of leaving us during the close season & was proud of his achievements in goal since he replaced Henders.
It follows, that as EA stated, no great attempt has been made by the cabal to persuade him to stay.
As always, the sniff of a "profit" means any relevant players are ushered out without a backwards glance.
Just as we are "customers", the players are commodities.
And whether we have an English manager or not, nothing will change this modus operandi.
But, of course, he has his future to consider & money talks.
Fair enough, but I'll wager he won't be overjoyed if the Burnley no 1 stays fit all season. Nick struck me as a lad that wants to play...
But, of course, he has his future to consider & money talks.
He will probably be number 2 this season and when Burnley are relegated and sell Heaton, he will be number one in the championship
Doubt it with our clowns in charge.
Any premier league side: How much for Lookman?
Katrien: We'd like 4m and a season long loan back.
Premier league side: We'll give you 1.5m, plus 250k if we win the champions league next year and another 250k if England win the 2018 world cup and you can't have him back on loan.
Katrien: Deal.