Fair enough, but I'll wager he won't be overjoyed if the Burnley no 1 stays fit all season. Nick struck me as a lad that wants to play...
But, of course, he has his future to consider & money talks.
He will probably be number 2 this season and when Burnley are relegated and sell Heaton, he will be number one in the championship
He's got a lot to prove, even at Championship level
Maybe, but put him in goal with a reasonably settled back four (that inspires a bit of confidence) and I'd expect him to be excellent over the course of the season - as he showed last season.
He was never as bad as some made out, and has real potential, in a decent side (which no longer seems to be us).
Much as it is tempting to portray this as another exclusive failing of the belgians, and whilst the fee we have allegedly received for Cousins is undeniable poor, we have sold players too easily and for too little for as long as I can remember.
There was a brief period when the club was at the peak of the Curbishley reign, and people like Rufus had stuck around for several seasons, when you felt like we could hang onto whoever we wanted. Then Parker left for a big, but still under priced, fee, at the worst possible time, and from then on whenever we've manged to sign or train up a player good enough for someone else to actually covert, we've let them go at pretty much the first time if asking.
To name a few off the top of my head, from the near 30 years I've been following the club, Williams, Lee, Minto, Bowyer, Mills, Parker, Reid, Elliot, Shelvey and Jenkinson have all left the club for supposedly brighter and better things without the club putting up much of a fight.
All of them, with the exception of Parker, were sold at times when the club was under varying degrees of financial stress and only Bowyer and Mills elicited an above market average fee. It's interesting that both of them were sold to Leeds who, themselves, at the time, we're not exactly renowned for driving a hard bargain.
Like it or not the club is under financial stress right now. Sales were always inevitable. Our bargaining position is weak. That is a recipe for less than ideal fees.
Cousins and JBG always seemed likely to depart. I had rather hoped, and almost expected, Pope would stay. To be honest, I am surprised Burnley are interested. Pope has potential, but, as solid as he looked for the last month or two of the season, he had looked very shaky on a number of earlier appearances. I expected anyone interested may wait a season to see if his development continued or stalled but Burnley, who unfortunately are a bigger fish these days, have decided to take a punt and offered a fair fee for what he is currently. The club can't control from where and for whom we receive bids and if the player wants to leave, they should be allowed to. They are people, not commodities, after all.
Could we get better fees? Maybe. Have we tended to in non-Belgian eras? Probably not. Will the money be used to balance the books, build a squad, or both? I don't know, but we won't be able to judge until the transfer window closes.
I'm sure, however, that with Slade and Head now at the club, we have the best chance, since Roland took ownership, of smartly spending our transfer budget, whatever it may be. We must continue to hope and pressurise the club to allow them to do so and back them for success.
Did some of you actually think Pope, JGB and Cousins (possibly still others) would want to play in the third tier of English football if they had prem teams/championship challengers bidding for them?
Did some of you actually think Pope, JGB and Cousins (possibly still others) would want to play in the third tier of English football if they had prem teams/championship challengers bidding for them?
Please get real ffs.
No I didn't expect them to stay and expect more to go. However it is reasonable to ask that if they expected Pope to go and are happy to let Hendo go too then why let Dmitrovic move on? The way they are going about their transfer business smacks of stupidity without any semblance of a clear strategy. Also, taking JBG as an example, they had at least three Clubs interested but instead of playing a waiting game and calling their bluff they take the first offer that comes near what they are after whereas waiting could generate a better fee. They have no idea how to negotiate, other clubs know this, and are taking them for a ride. Ultimately whether JBG goes for 1m or 5m matters not to us as it won't be reinvested in the team and will go to line Roland's pockets but it constantly ridicules them and us.
I dont see Lookman going anywhere... If he was going to leave then teams would have signed him by now (i.e. Young talent means teams cant dither else someone else will nip in and get him)... i.e. with Joe Gomez last summer there were rumours (substantial ones) from the moment we played against Bournemouth on the last day of the season
I think that Lookman will be going. Maybe a chance of a loan back to us.
Now we're league one, perhaps the buying club will prefer to send him back to a championship club.
I want to be optimistic and say we have a keeper lined up......we all know that this isn't the case
Sam Walker from Colchester is what I've heard, But how true that is I don't know.
A club like Charlton can't stop a young player like Pope moving to the prem sorry it's not going to happen but what we can do is get a decent fee and it looks like we have again with a sell on clause
Of course you can. You just reject the offer and tell him to get on with it.
Like Scott Parker ??
Scot Parker was proven at the top level and on decent wages and so was in a much stronger position. Pope isn't proven and isn't on big wages.
It's easier to keep Pope because he isn't on big wages and is being offered a massive pay increase (presumably)? No, don't see the logic in that.
Really??? Yes we are mid fire sale but Wimbledon, Shrewsbury, Oldham can only dream of players like solly, Holmes, Novak etc. Yes it's disappointing but players will come in. Promotion, no! Relegation, no. Upper mid table, yes
Yes, really. We're in the middle of a fire sale and there'll be others gone by the end of the window. Tex, Bauer, Lookman, Watt will all go, I reckon and replaced with ??? We'll have a small squad and when injuries bite and with no emergency loans, it all points to one thing ... Disaster. I'm usually a glass half full person but as @oohaahmortimer would say Promotion 0% Mid table 50% Relegation 50%
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Really??? Yes we are mid fire sale but Wimbledon, Shrewsbury, Oldham can only dream of players like solly, Holmes, Novak etc. Yes it's disappointing but players will come in. Promotion, no! Relegation, no. Upper mid table, yes
Yes, really. We're in the middle of a fire sale and there'll be others gone by the end of the window. Tex, Bauer, Lookman, Watt will all go, I reckon and replaced with ??? We'll have a small squad and when injuries bite and with no emergency loans, it all points to one thing ... Disaster. I'm usually a glass half full person but as @oohaahmortimer would say Promotion 0% Mid table 50% Relegation 50%
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Ooh aah also goes into a very considered and carefully developed formula that no one will ever decipher. He doesn't just throw numbers out there like this. This needs some work
Did some of you actually think Pope, JGB and Cousins (possibly still others) would want to play in the third tier of English football if they had prem teams/championship challengers bidding for them?
Please get real ffs.
Look, everbody knows this. But that's not the point. Roland's a rich man. He has no need for cash flow purposes to flog people off quickly or on the cheap. So, in Pope's case, you simply say to the keeper (but more so to any intetested clubs) yes, you can go if we get a sensible bid - but not until an adequate replacement has been found - because Henderson is off too. It's not rocket science just common sense.
And, in terms of negotiation, of course Cousins wanted out. But how can a club that paid, what, Euro 1.9 for Sarr let probably our most effective midfield player go for peanuts? By way of comparison it is reported that Reece Oxford, a 17-year-old, who has played just a few games for Wet Spam, is subject of a £15mn bid. This is a player remember that we decided we didn't want on loan last season!
Genius by KM and RD, young Mitov will be number one for the first few games and then be sold on deadline day for an impressive couple of thousand. Then we can really utilise the academy as long as we don't play on a school night.
Genius by KM and RD, young Mitov will be number one for the first few games and then be sold on deadline day for an impressive couple of thousand. Then we can really utilise the academy as long as we don't play on a school night.
It is actually a genius plan because we don't get International breaks in league 1 which reduces the number of mid week games. Therefore, our teenage heavy first team squad won't miss bed time
Genius by KM and RD, young Mitov will be number one for the first few games and then be sold on deadline day for an impressive couple of thousand. Then we can really utilise the academy as long as we don't play on a school night.
It is actually a genius plan because we don't get International breaks in league 1 which reduces the number of mid week games. Therefore, our teenage heavy first team squad won't miss bed time
Trouble is they will spend half the game looking for pokemons
I've just seen katrien at London Bridge station. My first thought was 'I would" then I realised who she was and I've now got sick in my mouth. Her train arrived and I had 10 seconds to think of a witty comment to make but my decision making was similar to Kevin lisbies when one on one with a keeper!!
I've just seen katrien at London Bridge station. My first thought was 'I would" then I realised who she was and I've now got sick in my mouth. Her train arrived and I had 10 seconds to think of a witty comment to make but my decision making was similar to Kevin lisbies when one on one with a keeper!!
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But, of course, he has his future to consider & money talks.
He will probably be number 2 this season and when Burnley are relegated and sell Heaton, he will be number one in the championship
He's got a lot to prove, even at Championship level
He's got a lot to prove, even at Championship level
Maybe, but put him in goal with a reasonably settled back four (that inspires a bit of confidence) and I'd expect him to be excellent over the course of the season - as he showed last season.
He was never as bad as some made out, and has real potential, in a decent side (which no longer seems to be us).
There was a brief period when the club was at the peak of the Curbishley reign, and people like Rufus had stuck around for several seasons, when you felt like we could hang onto whoever we wanted. Then Parker left for a big, but still under priced, fee, at the worst possible time, and from then on whenever we've manged to sign or train up a player good enough for someone else to actually covert, we've let them go at pretty much the first time if asking.
To name a few off the top of my head, from the near 30 years I've been following the club, Williams, Lee, Minto, Bowyer, Mills, Parker, Reid, Elliot, Shelvey and Jenkinson have all left the club for supposedly brighter and better things without the club putting up much of a fight.
All of them, with the exception of Parker, were sold at times when the club was under varying degrees of financial stress and only Bowyer and Mills elicited an above market average fee. It's interesting that both of them were sold to Leeds who, themselves, at the time, we're not exactly renowned for driving a hard bargain.
Like it or not the club is under financial stress right now. Sales were always inevitable. Our bargaining position is weak. That is a recipe for less than ideal fees.
Cousins and JBG always seemed likely to depart. I had rather hoped, and almost expected, Pope would stay. To be honest, I am surprised Burnley are interested. Pope has potential, but, as solid as he looked for the last month or two of the season, he had looked very shaky on a number of earlier appearances. I expected anyone interested may wait a season to see if his development continued or stalled but Burnley, who unfortunately are a bigger fish these days, have decided to take a punt and offered a fair fee for what he is currently. The club can't control from where and for whom we receive bids and if the player wants to leave, they should be allowed to. They are people, not commodities, after all.
Could we get better fees? Maybe. Have we tended to in non-Belgian eras? Probably not. Will the money be used to balance the books, build a squad, or both? I don't know, but we won't be able to judge until the transfer window closes.
I'm sure, however, that with Slade and Head now at the club, we have the best chance, since Roland took ownership, of smartly spending our transfer budget, whatever it may be. We must continue to hope and pressurise the club to allow them to do so and back them for success.
Did some of you actually think Pope, JGB and Cousins (possibly still others) would want to play in the third tier of English football if they had prem teams/championship challengers bidding for them?
Please get real ffs.
http://www.cafcpicks.com/cgi-bin/drkish/display.pl?month=201607&date=20160718&time=0604
He has no need for cash flow purposes to flog people off quickly or on the cheap.
So, in Pope's case, you simply say to the keeper (but more so to any intetested clubs) yes, you can go if we get a sensible bid - but not until an adequate replacement has been found - because Henderson is off too. It's not rocket science just common sense.
And, in terms of negotiation, of course Cousins wanted out. But how can a club that paid, what, Euro 1.9 for Sarr let probably our most effective midfield player go for peanuts? By way of comparison it is reported that Reece Oxford, a 17-year-old, who has played just a few games for Wet Spam, is subject of a £15mn bid. This is a player remember that we decided we didn't want on loan last season!
So, please get real ffs.
Do we still have that Brazilian goal scoring machine in our U14's too? (Or whatever level he was at)
Mirror telling us what we already knew about Pope and JBG