I wasn't there yesterday and won't in the near future because of KM but that doesn't mean that those who work for her are as bad as her. People like Tracey seem to be going the best they can and we shouldn't vilify them just because of their boss. Thanks Tracey
Agreed, but Tracey, remember this site is monitored by the club and someone might umbrage to you mixing with us rebellious types.
I will take that all day long. I'm quite rebellious you know ;-)
The trouble with this regime is anyone working for the club now is regarded as being one of their puppets, sorry for you Tracey and others at the club like you. Just hang on in there until they go and we can go back to being a happy friendly club again
The question about tex, it sounded like tessara, I didn't get it at first either.
When asked about transfers, Ho looked up towards the directors box twice. Don't know why or what this means but it was the only two times he looked up there
He was looking out for the sniper KM brought there in case he says the wrong thing.
I'm sorry but the biggest issue here, is that this was the last game before the season starts with no plan or structure, what then is the point of pre season? Suddenly we are now told in interview, its not a time to panic and the deadline to create a full side has now crept to to the end of August?? At what point does the manager actually roll out his proper starting eleven? When does he actually know his playing formation?! The reaction about not losing and the comments about the penalty shoot out were totally ludicrous. This is bordering on Ron Manager and Roy Hodgson!
Probably would have been dragged by my son to the players meet if we weren't on holiday. He hates the owners and protested at every opportunity last season, but he continues to be Charlton mad for the moment and loves Solly, Jackson, Fox and a few others, hopefully he can hang in there till these idiot owners move on. Must be a tough job trying to keep things ticking over at the club with normal things when majority of fans are at war with the owners. They're ruining it for everyone that cares about Charlton on both sides of the fence.
Watching the Slade interview I was thinking, OK you have the big screen in the corner, and almost directly behind it you have the away tea hut. After that you have the outside of the stadium, at the moment with verdant trees. However where the trees are, or just in front, would it not be possible to somehow create a great big sign? It might say Liar or whatever. Possibly a couple or three of telescopic poles for a cloth sign it is off club property, and could not be taken away, and it is in full view of the West Stand. Maybe this is a stupid thought, and i don't have the ability to sort it personally, just an idea.
Watching the Slade interview I was thinking, OK you have the big screen in the corner, and almost directly behind it you have the away tea hut. After that you have the outside of the stadium, at the moment with verdant trees. However where the trees are, or just in front, would it not be possible to somehow create a great big sign? It might say Liar or whatever. Possibly a couple or three of telescopic poles for a cloth sign it is off club property, and could not be taken away, and it is in full view of the West Stand. Maybe this is a stupid thought, and i don't have the ability to sort it personally, just an idea.
Not into this sort of thing, but surely much easier to hang something off the tower block, i know the west stand can't see it but there would be enough people with cameras in the north and east that would see it
Right, after every tragedy, it seems we have to have an inquest to see what we can "learn" from it, so here's what I learned yesterday:
Big, high-pressure occasions in front of huge crowds like this aren't quite the right stage for KAG and RoJo's 12-yard heroics. The latter actually played quite well and the former appears to have filled out without losing any speed. Is he still happier running the channels though, rather than getting on the scoresheet?
Crofts made much more impression on the game than Foley, who tried hard but ceded possession too often. Crofts is just the type of busy midfielder who's going to be turning up and denying us space; experienced and knows the game - the well-taken goal was a bonus.
Thomas is a confident lad who's comfortable in possession whilst Konsa has clearly made massive strides and looks ready to step up when needed (but shouldn't be plunged in too early for too long). Waalwijk were poor but he dealt with them very well.
Despite his propensity to annoy, Ba could very well surprise us if he's given a bit of freedom and not barracked every time he loses the ball. He has a nice ability to change direction in possession and is physically strong. He also showed a good willingness to track back yesterday, tackling well more than once.
Oscar Gobern covered a lot of ground when he came on and looked keen to earn a contract. Wasn't he Steve Austin's boss?!
Hanlan's physically very strong and direct. Could be a real handful against a tiring defence. Again, give him time.
Fox now appears to really believe in himself and played with genuine authority when he came on, including a strong header which ultimately led to the goal. What ever the doubts, let's give him a chance to shine this season, regardless of feelings about off-pitch matters. There are clearly plenty in the game who rate him.
And finally... Ajose would quite like a little assistance up front if he's going to get close to 25 again this season.
Right, after every tragedy, it seems we have to have an inquest to see what we can "learn" from it, so here's what I learned yesterday:
Big, high-pressure occasions in front of huge crowds like this aren't quite the right stage for KAG and RoJo's 12-yard heroics. The latter actually played quite well and the former appears to have filled out without losing any speed. Is he still happier running the channels though, rather than getting on the scoresheet?
Crofts made much more impression on the game than Foley, who tried hard but ceded possession too often. Crofts is just the type of busy midfielder who's going to be turning up and denying us space; experienced and knows the game - the well-taken goal was a bonus.
Thomas is a confident lad who's comfortable in possession whilst Konsa has clearly made massive strides and looks ready to step up when needed (but shouldn't be plunged in too early for too long). Waalwijk were poor but he dealt with them very well.
Despite his propensity to annoy, Ba could very well surprise us if he's given a bit of freedom and not barracked every time he loses the ball. He has a nice ability to change direction in possession and is physically strong. He also showed a good willingness to track back yesterday, tackling well more than once.
Oscar Gobern covered a lot of ground when he came on and looked keen to earn a contract. Wasn't he Steve Austin's boss?!
Hanlan's physically very strong and direct. Could be a real handful against a tiring defence. Again, give him time.
Fox now appears to really believe in himself and played with genuine authority when he came on, including a strong header which ultimately led to the goal. What ever the doubts, let's give him a chance to shine this season, regardless of feelings about off-pitch matters. There are clearly plenty in the game who rate him.
And finally... Ajose would quite like a little assistance up front if he's going to get close to 25 again this season.
Agree with almost all of this, and the parts I don't are probably down to individual's perception of events.
You have to accept that Ajose is not a lone striker. But Slade has been really unlucky in only having been able to play Novak and Ajose together for 45 minutes against Welling.
I also think that Holmes is going to be a fans favourite this year. MOTM by a mile when he came on yesterday. A few performances like that, and his name will be pencilled in on the POTY trophy.
I told Ezri in the "meet the players" that the shirt is his to lose now. Another very good performance.
I've obviously been around these sort of event far too many times now, as Jacko always recognises me!
Where did you watch the game from to think RoJo played well?
From where we were sitting he looked half paced, didn't not appreciate his swearing and missed a sitter of a header. Our biggest problem was that he looked half paced.
Konsa looked really good to us. A real potential to add in at CB for maybe 10 games this season but no more.
Ba was same as always, three good touches followed by four absolute shockers that would cost goals, I'd get rid As soon as I could.
Foley looked very ordinary, Croats looked ordinary but ok, Holmes looked very good to us, very happy about that.
Hanlan looked like an u21 player.
Gobern didn't impress us at all.
Agree about Fox though, although he doesn't have the best natural touch he gives a lot, he is improving all the time and I would have him in the team every day if he is prepared to stay.
Tracey, you say that you and others want to get the club back to being the family club it once was.
Who would you say is responsible for such a decline in standards? To me it would be in the last three years and therefore it is easy to identify the culprits.
The current regime are wholly responsible for damaging the club and making it so far removed from what it once was. Whilst they remain, your intentions, whilst admirable, are going to be met with probably a smirk from those above you and apathy form a large number of fans.
A few signing sessions and some inflatables in the car park will not do I'm afraid.
Families and children stay away from wicked witches and weird old men and whist our club is governed by the present incumbents you are on a hiding to nothing.
Probably would have been dragged by my son to the players meet if we weren't on holiday. He hates the owners and protested at every opportunity last season, but he continues to be Charlton mad for the moment and loves Solly, Jackson, Fox and a few others, hopefully he can hang in there till these idiot owners move on. Must be a tough job trying to keep things ticking over at the club with normal things when majority of fans are at war with the owners. They're ruining it for everyone that cares about Charlton on both sides of the fence.
THANK YOU!
Said something a few pages back and got pilloried.*
Not really pilloried so much as a couple people disagreed with me. But I guess what I'm trying to say is "I agree."
Right, after every tragedy, it seems we have to have an inquest to see what we can "learn" from it, so here's what I learned yesterday:
Big, high-pressure occasions in front of huge crowds like this aren't quite the right stage for KAG and RoJo's 12-yard heroics. The latter actually played quite well and the former appears to have filled out without losing any speed. Is he still happier running the channels though, rather than getting on the scoresheet?
Crofts made much more impression on the game than Foley, who tried hard but ceded possession too often. Crofts is just the type of busy midfielder who's going to be turning up and denying us space; experienced and knows the game - the well-taken goal was a bonus.
Thomas is a confident lad who's comfortable in possession whilst Konsa has clearly made massive strides and looks ready to step up when needed (but shouldn't be plunged in too early for too long). Waalwijk were poor but he dealt with them very well.
Despite his propensity to annoy, Ba could very well surprise us if he's given a bit of freedom and not barracked every time he loses the ball. He has a nice ability to change direction in possession and is physically strong. He also showed a good willingness to track back yesterday, tackling well more than once.
Oscar Gobern covered a lot of ground when he came on and looked keen to earn a contract. Wasn't he Steve Austin's boss?!
Hanlan's physically very strong and direct. Could be a real handful against a tiring defence. Again, give him time.
Fox now appears to really believe in himself and played with genuine authority when he came on, including a strong header which ultimately led to the goal. What ever the doubts, let's give him a chance to shine this season, regardless of feelings about off-pitch matters. There are clearly plenty in the game who rate him.
And finally... Ajose would quite like a little assistance up front if he's going to get close to 25 again this season.
Agree with almost all of this, and the parts I don't are probably down to individual's perception of events.
You have to accept that Ajose is not a lone striker. But Slade has been really unlucky in only having been able to play Novak and Ajose together for 45 minutes against Welling.
I also think that Holmes is going to be a fans favourite this year. MOTM by a mile when he came on yesterday. A few performances like that, and his name will be pencilled in on the POTY trophy.
I told Ezri in the "meet the players" that the shirt is his to lose now. Another very good performance.
I've obviously been around these sort of event far too many times now, as Jacko always recognises me!
I think all the more embarrassing was the players meet and greet footage pushed out by the media team after the game. Genuinely more players that fans there by about 2:1
Still at least next season those that don't agree with the protests can sit there without being disturbed... By anyone.
Totally not true. Queues were out the door and it was a really successful and lovely time. Staff worked really hard to organise this event (including me who organises the Player Appearances) so please don't undermine the hard work we do and plan to continue doing this season.
I am pleased for you that you feel so positive.
Yes there is a but, a however.
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was 'successful', or is there some kind of criteria against which success can be measured?
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was a 'lovely time' for people, or is there some kind of criteria against which the loveliness of the time can be measured?
Do you accept that for anybody to say they have 'worked hard' rings hollow if they say it about themselves?
I imagine the players continually pestered you to be allowed to be at this event with people who pay their wages, were checking when they ought to be there, were rivals with each other to be first in the queue, didn't need reminding, had creative and imaginative ideas to enhance things, and barely needed any 'organising' at all, and plan to do the same after every home match without even being asked because they care about the fans so much.
Am I right about this?
No way could it have been reluctant and bored players forcing a smile whilst looking at their watches and phones, sitting at a table whilst people queued for selfies and autographs, no way could it have been that, because it wouldn't have taken any hard work at all.
I think all the more embarrassing was the players meet and greet footage pushed out by the media team after the game. Genuinely more players that fans there by about 2:1
Still at least next season those that don't agree with the protests can sit there without being disturbed... By anyone.
Totally not true. Queues were out the door and it was a really successful and lovely time. Staff worked really hard to organise this event (including me who organises the Player Appearances) so please don't undermine the hard work we do and plan to continue doing this season.
I am pleased for you that you feel so positive.
Yes there is a but, a however.
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was 'successful', or is there some kind of criteria against which success can be measured?
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was a 'lovely time' for people, or is there some kind of criteria against which the loveliness of the time can be measured?
Do you accept that for anybody to say they have 'worked hard' rings hollow if they say it about themselves?
I imagine the players continually pestered you to be allowed to be at this event with people who pay their wages, were checking when they ought to be there, were rivals with each other to be first in the queue, didn't need reminding, had creative and imaginative ideas to enhance things, and barely needed any 'organising' at all, and plan to do the same after every home match without even being asked because they care about the fans so much.
Am I right about this?
No way could it have been reluctant and bored players forcing a smile whilst looking at their watches and phones, sitting at a table whilst people queued for selfies and autographs, no way could it have been that, because it wouldn't have taken any hard work at all.
I would rather that posters didn't have a pop when club employees are prepared to post.
I'm sure everyone including Tracey and Olli understand there are some difficult problems that many long term supporters have with their employers, but I don't think there is any good reason to be so aggressive against them. Come on.
Tracey, you say that you and others want to get the club back to being the family club it once was.
Who would you say is responsible for such a decline in standards? To me it would be in the last three years and therefore it is easy to identify the culprits.
The current regime are wholly responsible for damaging the club and making it so far removed from what it once was. Whilst they remain, your intentions, whilst admirable, are going to be met with probably a smirk from those above you and apathy form a large number of fans.
A few signing sessions and some inflatables in the car park will not do I'm afraid.
Families and children stay away from wicked witches and weird old men and whist our club is governed by the present incumbents you are on a hiding to nothing.
So at what point are we going to start demanding Loyalty Oaths to "The Cause?" I don't know Tracey, but it's pretty obvious she's proper Charlton. She is doing her job, and what she thinks is best for everyone in the long term. Let's not forget she too presumably has a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. She may agree with her bosses, she may not, I don't know.
What I do know is that I have worked in a business for an extended period of time where I hated the leadership, but made them a lot of money because I continued to be good at my job. It was a job where I'd recruited a bunch of friends, loved my clients, and struggled to eventually walk away because it was something I'd built.
We are all going to have our own stances, and our own way of protest and dissent, but we are all Charlton fans. This came up with the renewal of season tickets, but seems to have died down on that front a bit. What to do, how to engage with the club, is something that is hard for all of us (just see the "How many seasons given up" thread). It must be even harder for someone whose job is with the club. But we don't need to compound that by throwing stones and making people answer for the mistakes of their bosses or bosses bosses or whatever.
Poor transfer policy will, and has, slowly eroded this club. But fans turning on each other can do more damage than Roland could ever hope to.
I was not aware of the meet and greet initiative until after the game, I am sure my son would be have been delighted to be involved.
How was the event publicised? I do not use Twitter, I occasionally visit the club official site...
Last couple of years I bought the season tickets but had them sent to the ex-wife's address, do I need to update my contact details with the club and if so anyone any ideas how?
We may not turn up to everything but it would be nice to know what is going on in case we are available as Roo still loves Charlton.
Bloody hell Neil. I can understand bitterness. I positively welcome vindictiveness, But I wouldn't go so far as to send Charlton season tickets even to my ex-missus. Beyond the pale, mate.
Tracey, you say that you and others want to get the club back to being the family club it once was.
Who would you say is responsible for such a decline in standards? To me it would be in the last three years and therefore it is easy to identify the culprits.
The current regime are wholly responsible for damaging the club and making it so far removed from what it once was. Whilst they remain, your intentions, whilst admirable, are going to be met with probably a smirk from those above you and apathy form a large number of fans.
A few signing sessions and some inflatables in the car park will not do I'm afraid.
Families and children stay away from wicked witches and weird old men and whist our club is governed by the present incumbents you are on a hiding to nothing.
So at what point are we going to start demanding Loyalty Oaths to "The Cause?" I don't know Tracey, but it's pretty obvious she's proper Charlton. She is doing her job, and what she thinks is best for everyone in the long term. Let's not forget she too presumably has a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. She may agree with her bosses, she may not, I don't know.
What I do know is that I have worked in a business for an extended period of time where I hated the leadership, but made them a lot of money because I continued to be good at my job. It was a job where I'd recruited a bunch of friends, loved my clients, and struggled to eventually walk away because it was something I'd built.
We are all going to have our own stances, and our own way of protest and dissent, but we are all Charlton fans. This came up with the renewal of season tickets, but seems to have died down on that front a bit. What to do, how to engage with the club, is something that is hard for all of us (just see the "How many seasons given up" thread). It must be even harder for someone whose job is with the club. But we don't need to compound that by throwing stones and making people answer for the mistakes of their bosses or bosses bosses or whatever.
Poor transfer policy will, and has, slowly eroded this club. But fans turning on each other can do more damage than Roland could ever hope to.
I''m turning on nobody except the owner and CEO.
I respect the stance of all, including employees of the club who are in a difficult position.
The point is that nothing will improve until there is a change in how the club is run.
I admire initiatives aimed at bringing families back to the club, but as I asked in my original post; who is to blame for us not being a family club? We were under Powell, right?
I actually think that kids like nothing more than to meet their heroes. To get a photo with Solly or Jackson or....
And there is the point. My 13 year old son has an interest in those two players only now. He identifies with them and maybe Bauer, Fox and Tex who he considers have the Charlton mentality.
Such initiatives work for 6 -9 year olds. What is being done for the 11 year olds? The 18 year olds? The thirty five year olds? The fifty year olds? Contempt is all.
Unfortunately the fact that there could be a 'meet the players' event after the recent friendly is because we had so few fans there. Could we have run such an event with 8,000 there?
Tracey, you say that you and others want to get the club back to being the family club it once was.
Who would you say is responsible for such a decline in standards? To me it would be in the last three years and therefore it is easy to identify the culprits.
The current regime are wholly responsible for damaging the club and making it so far removed from what it once was. Whilst they remain, your intentions, whilst admirable, are going to be met with probably a smirk from those above you and apathy form a large number of fans.
A few signing sessions and some inflatables in the car park will not do I'm afraid.
Families and children stay away from wicked witches and weird old men and whist our club is governed by the present incumbents you are on a hiding to nothing.
So at what point are we going to start demanding Loyalty Oaths to "The Cause?" I don't know Tracey, but it's pretty obvious she's proper Charlton. She is doing her job, and what she thinks is best for everyone in the long term. Let's not forget she too presumably has a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. She may agree with her bosses, she may not, I don't know.
What I do know is that I have worked in a business for an extended period of time where I hated the leadership, but made them a lot of money because I continued to be good at my job. It was a job where I'd recruited a bunch of friends, loved my clients, and struggled to eventually walk away because it was something I'd built.
We are all going to have our own stances, and our own way of protest and dissent, but we are all Charlton fans. This came up with the renewal of season tickets, but seems to have died down on that front a bit. What to do, how to engage with the club, is something that is hard for all of us (just see the "How many seasons given up" thread). It must be even harder for someone whose job is with the club. But we don't need to compound that by throwing stones and making people answer for the mistakes of their bosses or bosses bosses or whatever.
Poor transfer policy will, and has, slowly eroded this club. But fans turning on each other can do more damage than Roland could ever hope to.
I''m turning on nobody except the owner and CEO.
I respect the stance of all, including employees of the club who are in a difficult position.
The point is that nothing will improve until there is a change in how the club is run.
I admire initiatives aimed at bringing families back to the club, but as I asked in my original post; who is to blame for us not being a family club? We were under Powell, right?
I actually think that kids like nothing more than to meet their heroes. To get a photo with Solly or Jackson or....
And there is the point. My 13 year old son has an interest in those two players only now. He identifies with them and maybe Bauer, Fox and Tex who he considers have the Charlton mentality.
Such initiatives work for 6 -9 year olds. What is being done for the 11 year olds? The 18 year olds? The thirty five year olds? The fifty year olds? Contempt is all.
Unfortunately the fact that there could be a 'meet the players' event after the recent friendly is because we had so few fans there. Could we have run such an event with 8,000 there?
Watching the Slade interview I was thinking, OK you have the big screen in the corner, and almost directly behind it you have the away tea hut. After that you have the outside of the stadium, at the moment with verdant trees. However where the trees are, or just in front, would it not be possible to somehow create a great big sign? It might say Liar or whatever. Possibly a couple or three of telescopic poles for a cloth sign it is off club property, and could not be taken away, and it is in full view of the West Stand. Maybe this is a stupid thought, and i don't have the ability to sort it personally, just an idea.
Not into this sort of thing, but surely much easier to hang something off the tower block, i know the west stand can't see it but there would be enough people with cameras in the north and east that would see it
I've thought before there must be a good vantage point where tennis balls/'projectiles' can be thrown into the ground without having to sneak past the searches...
I think all the more embarrassing was the players meet and greet footage pushed out by the media team after the game. Genuinely more players that fans there by about 2:1
Still at least next season those that don't agree with the protests can sit there without being disturbed... By anyone.
Totally not true. Queues were out the door and it was a really successful and lovely time. Staff worked really hard to organise this event (including me who organises the Player Appearances) so please don't undermine the hard work we do and plan to continue doing this season.
I am pleased for you that you feel so positive.
Yes there is a but, a however.
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was 'successful', or is there some kind of criteria against which success can be measured?
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was a 'lovely time' for people, or is there some kind of criteria against which the loveliness of the time can be measured?
Do you accept that for anybody to say they have 'worked hard' rings hollow if they say it about themselves?
I imagine the players continually pestered you to be allowed to be at this event with people who pay their wages, were checking when they ought to be there, were rivals with each other to be first in the queue, didn't need reminding, had creative and imaginative ideas to enhance things, and barely needed any 'organising' at all, and plan to do the same after every home match without even being asked because they care about the fans so much.
Am I right about this?
No way could it have been reluctant and bored players forcing a smile whilst looking at their watches and phones, sitting at a table whilst people queued for selfies and autographs, no way could it have been that, because it wouldn't have taken any hard work at all.
At least one person there had a "lovely time". Me.
Great to meet the players, and talk to them. As I said, I have been to so many of these now, that Jacko always recognises me now. Which, childish as it may seem to you, always puts a spring in my step.
Spoke to Bauer, Lennon, Umerah and Tex about their respective injuries. Had a good firm handshake from Russell Slade, and a joke with Roger about his penalty.
If you don't approve, quite frankly, I don't give a flying ****...
I think all the more embarrassing was the players meet and greet footage pushed out by the media team after the game. Genuinely more players that fans there by about 2:1
Still at least next season those that don't agree with the protests can sit there without being disturbed... By anyone.
Totally not true. Queues were out the door and it was a really successful and lovely time. Staff worked really hard to organise this event (including me who organises the Player Appearances) so please don't undermine the hard work we do and plan to continue doing this season.
I am pleased for you that you feel so positive.
Yes there is a but, a however.
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was 'successful', or is there some kind of criteria against which success can be measured?
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was a 'lovely time' for people, or is there some kind of criteria against which the loveliness of the time can be measured?
Do you accept that for anybody to say they have 'worked hard' rings hollow if they say it about themselves?
I imagine the players continually pestered you to be allowed to be at this event with people who pay their wages, were checking when they ought to be there, were rivals with each other to be first in the queue, didn't need reminding, had creative and imaginative ideas to enhance things, and barely needed any 'organising' at all, and plan to do the same after every home match without even being asked because they care about the fans so much.
Am I right about this?
No way could it have been reluctant and bored players forcing a smile whilst looking at their watches and phones, sitting at a table whilst people queued for selfies and autographs, no way could it have been that, because it wouldn't have taken any hard work at all.
At least one person there had a "lovely time". Me.
Great to meet the players, and talk to them. As I said, I have been to so many of these now, that Jacko always recognises me now. Which, childish as it may seem to you, always puts a spring in my step.
Spoke to Bauer, Lennon, Umerah and Tex about their respective injuries. Had a good firm handshake from Russell Slade, and a joke with Roger about his penalty.
If you don't approve, quite frankly, I don't give a flying ****...
When is Bauer going to be getting some game time? Are we going to see Tex at Bury?
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was 'successful', or is there some kind of criteria against which success can be measured?
Their was no criteria. I assessed it from the fans who were happy and the players who enjoyed the interaction.
Do you accept that for anybody to say they have 'worked hard' rings hollow if they say it about themselves?
I was talking honestly about staff who work hard to make these events happen. I included myself as I did. If you don't like that that's your problem. I always am honest. If I didn't work hard I wouldn't say it. I am not looking for praise. I'm just saying it as it is.
I imagine the players continually pestered you to be allowed to be at this event with people who pay their wages, were checking when they ought to be there, were rivals with each other to be first in the queue, didn't need reminding, had creative and imaginative ideas to enhance things, and barely needed any 'organising' at all, and plan to do the same after every home match without even being asked because they care about the fans so much.
Am I right about this?
No your not. Yes they were all interactive about this event. They realise the importance of fans and want to do it.
No way could it have been reluctant and bored players forcing a smile whilst looking at their watches and phones, sitting at a table whilst people queued for selfies and autographs, no way could it have been that, because it wouldn't have taken any hard work at all.
Where you there? No i don't think so. Because you didn't see this but you wished it was this way. Stop being against the players. They truly don't deserve it.
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However where the trees are, or just in front, would it not be possible to somehow create a great big sign?
It might say Liar or whatever.
Possibly a couple or three of telescopic poles for a cloth sign it is off club property, and could not be taken away, and it is in full view of the West Stand.
Maybe this is a stupid thought, and i don't have the ability to sort it personally, just an idea.
Big, high-pressure occasions in front of huge crowds like this aren't quite the right stage for KAG and RoJo's 12-yard heroics. The latter actually played quite well and the former appears to have filled out without losing any speed. Is he still happier running the channels though, rather than getting on the scoresheet?
Crofts made much more impression on the game than Foley, who tried hard but ceded possession too often. Crofts is just the type of busy midfielder who's going to be turning up and denying us space; experienced and knows the game - the well-taken goal was a bonus.
Thomas is a confident lad who's comfortable in possession whilst Konsa has clearly made massive strides and looks ready to step up when needed (but shouldn't be plunged in too early for too long). Waalwijk were poor but he dealt with them very well.
Despite his propensity to annoy, Ba could very well surprise us if he's given a bit of freedom and not barracked every time he loses the ball. He has a nice ability to change direction in possession and is physically strong. He also showed a good willingness to track back yesterday, tackling well more than once.
Oscar Gobern covered a lot of ground when he came on and looked keen to earn a contract. Wasn't he Steve Austin's boss?!
Hanlan's physically very strong and direct. Could be a real handful against a tiring defence. Again, give him time.
Fox now appears to really believe in himself and played with genuine authority when he came on, including a strong header which ultimately led to the goal. What ever the doubts, let's give him a chance to shine this season, regardless of feelings about off-pitch matters. There are clearly plenty in the game who rate him.
And finally... Ajose would quite like a little assistance up front if he's going to get close to 25 again this season.
You have to accept that Ajose is not a lone striker. But Slade has been really unlucky in only having been able to play Novak and Ajose together for 45 minutes against Welling.
I also think that Holmes is going to be a fans favourite this year. MOTM by a mile when he came on yesterday. A few performances like that, and his name will be pencilled in on the POTY trophy.
I told Ezri in the "meet the players" that the shirt is his to lose now. Another very good performance.
I've obviously been around these sort of event far too many times now, as Jacko always recognises me!
From where we were sitting he looked half paced, didn't not appreciate his swearing and missed a sitter of a header. Our biggest problem was that he looked half paced.
Konsa looked really good to us. A real potential to add in at CB for maybe 10 games this season but no more.
Ba was same as always, three good touches followed by four absolute shockers that would cost goals, I'd get rid As soon as I could.
Foley looked very ordinary, Croats looked ordinary but ok, Holmes looked very good to us, very happy about that.
Hanlan looked like an u21 player.
Gobern didn't impress us at all.
Agree about Fox though, although he doesn't have the best natural touch he gives a lot, he is improving all the time and I would have him in the team every day if he is prepared to stay.
He's not know as relegation Roger for nothing.
Who would you say is responsible for such a decline in standards? To me it would be in the last three years and therefore it is easy to identify the culprits.
The current regime are wholly responsible for damaging the club and making it so far removed from what it once was. Whilst they remain, your intentions, whilst admirable, are going to be met with probably a smirk from those above you and apathy form a large number of fans.
A few signing sessions and some inflatables in the car park will not do I'm afraid.
Families and children stay away from wicked witches and weird old men and whist our club is governed by the present incumbents you are on a hiding to nothing.
Said something a few pages back and got pilloried.*
Not really pilloried so much as a couple people disagreed with me. But I guess what I'm trying to say is "I agree."
Yes there is a but, a however.
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was 'successful', or is there some kind of criteria against which success can be measured?
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was a 'lovely time' for people, or is there some kind of criteria against which the loveliness of the time can be measured?
Do you accept that for anybody to say they have 'worked hard' rings hollow if they say it about themselves?
I imagine the players continually pestered you to be allowed to be at this event with people who pay their wages, were checking when they ought to be there, were rivals with each other to be first in the queue, didn't need reminding, had creative and imaginative ideas to enhance things, and barely needed any 'organising' at all, and plan to do the same after every home match without even being asked because they care about the fans so much.
Am I right about this?
No way could it have been reluctant and bored players forcing a smile whilst looking at their watches and phones, sitting at a table whilst people queued for selfies and autographs, no way could it have been that, because it wouldn't have taken any hard work at all.
I'm sure everyone including Tracey and Olli understand there are some difficult problems that many long term supporters have with their employers, but I don't think there is any good reason to be so aggressive against them. Come on.
If it comes over like that I apologise.
I was trying to express cynicism.
What I do know is that I have worked in a business for an extended period of time where I hated the leadership, but made them a lot of money because I continued to be good at my job. It was a job where I'd recruited a bunch of friends, loved my clients, and struggled to eventually walk away because it was something I'd built.
We are all going to have our own stances, and our own way of protest and dissent, but we are all Charlton fans. This came up with the renewal of season tickets, but seems to have died down on that front a bit. What to do, how to engage with the club, is something that is hard for all of us (just see the "How many seasons given up" thread). It must be even harder for someone whose job is with the club. But we don't need to compound that by throwing stones and making people answer for the mistakes of their bosses or bosses bosses or whatever.
Poor transfer policy will, and has, slowly eroded this club. But fans turning on each other can do more damage than Roland could ever hope to.
I respect the stance of all, including employees of the club who are in a difficult position.
The point is that nothing will improve until there is a change in how the club is run.
I admire initiatives aimed at bringing families back to the club, but as I asked in my original post; who is to blame for us not being a family club? We were under Powell, right?
I actually think that kids like nothing more than to meet their heroes. To get a photo with Solly or Jackson or....
And there is the point. My 13 year old son has an interest in those two players only now. He identifies with them and maybe Bauer, Fox and Tex who he considers have the Charlton mentality.
Such initiatives work for 6 -9 year olds. What is being done for the 11 year olds? The 18 year olds? The thirty five year olds? The fifty year olds? Contempt is all.
Unfortunately the fact that there could be a 'meet the players' event after the recent friendly is because we had so few fans there. Could we have run such an event with 8,000 there?
No.
Great to meet the players, and talk to them. As I said, I have been to so many of these now, that Jacko always recognises me now. Which, childish as it may seem to you, always puts a spring in my step.
Spoke to Bauer, Lennon, Umerah and Tex about their respective injuries. Had a good firm handshake from Russell Slade, and a joke with Roger about his penalty.
If you don't approve, quite frankly, I don't give a flying ****...
I am pleased for you that you feel so positive.
Yes there is a but, a however.
Do you accept that is simply your individual opinion that the event was 'successful', or is there some kind of criteria against which success can be measured?
Their was no criteria. I assessed it from the fans who were happy and the players who enjoyed the interaction.
Do you accept that for anybody to say they have 'worked hard' rings hollow if they say it about themselves?
I was talking honestly about staff who work hard to make these events happen. I included myself as I did. If you don't like that that's your problem. I always am honest. If I didn't work hard I wouldn't say it. I am not looking for praise. I'm just saying it as it is.
I imagine the players continually pestered you to be allowed to be at this event with people who pay their wages, were checking when they ought to be there, were rivals with each other to be first in the queue, didn't need reminding, had creative and imaginative ideas to enhance things, and barely needed any 'organising' at all, and plan to do the same after every home match without even being asked because they care about the fans so much.
Am I right about this?
No your not. Yes they were all interactive about this event. They realise the importance of fans and want to do it.
No way could it have been reluctant and bored players forcing a smile whilst looking at their watches and phones, sitting at a table whilst people queued for selfies and autographs, no way could it have been that, because it wouldn't have taken any hard work at all.
Where you there? No i don't think so. Because you didn't see this but you wished it was this way. Stop being against the players. They truly don't deserve it.
SUPPORT THE TEAM NOT THE REGIME