@Iainment. You knew this was going to happen when you started this thread, didn't you?
I have to say when I was a veggie I didn't mention it unless I couldn't avoid it as inevitably some pompous twat would have to point out all the things I was doing / wearing that didn't fit their definition of being a veggie.
The pompous meat-eating twats wanted to make me out a hypocrite. The pompous vegetarian twats wanted to be a more authentic vegetarian than I was.
I thought it was something worth a chat about really. It's more about the law of unintended consequences and as such probably more fundamental to Hindus, Jains and Sikhs who absolutely cannot handle these fivers. As someone mentioned above there was a war about the use of tallow in India.
As mentioned on R5 this morning, McDonalds changed the coating on their fries from one containing animal fats to one containing wheat. So making lifestyle-choice vegies happy but putting two fingers up to those who can't have gluten!
See, this doesn't actually make people happier, if anything it makes them more miserable.
Veggies were perfectly happy to eat at Maccy's until they found out the fries were coated in animal fat.
Veggies were perfectly happy to use fivers until they found out that a trivial part of the process includes using a by-product of animal slaughter.
Veggies are quite happy to eat veggie sausages but they might get annoyed if they find out they were cooked in the same oven as the meat products ("the animal fat could splash on them!"). It takes a certain kind of sociopath to be annoyed at someone for feeding you.
Ignorance truly is bliss. I make a conscious effort to shop ethically and to avoid products from countries with questionable political or human rights or employment issues, but if I buy a box of cereal and find out that the glue used to seal the box lid involves a compound from one of the countries I am trying to avoid, how annoyed am I going to be? Not very, certainly not enough to boycott that brand since probably every other product on the shelf will have the same issue. It's almost impossible to be an 100% ethical consumer unless you source everything directly from the producer. If you get annoyed by trivial parts of the manufacturing process then just be thankful you have nothing else to worry out if that's what sets you off.
Which is why I said earlier I try to not knowingly consume meat or use products made from dead animals. I didn't know so it wasn't an issue. I know now so it has become an issue for me.
@Iainment. You knew this was going to happen when you started this thread, didn't you?
I have to say when I was a veggie I didn't mention it unless I couldn't avoid it as inevitably some pompous twat would have to point out all the things I was doing / wearing that didn't fit their definition of being a veggie.
The pompous meat-eating twats wanted to make me out a hypocrite. The pompous vegetarian twats wanted to be a more authentic vegetarian than I was.
I thought it was something worth a chat about really. It's more about the law of unintended consequences and as such probably more fundamental to Hindus, Jains and Sikhs who absolutely cannot handle these fivers. As someone mentioned above there was a war about the use of tallow in India.
I hope they never use pavements or roads then.
Oh go on then. You've mentioned the roads and pavements twice. Tell us ;0)
The other thing I find intriguing, and I know I've mentioned it before, is some veggies own a cat or dog, which are more or less 100% carnivorous.
How does this work?
If you then say that you feed your carnivorous pets with a meat free diet, is that ethical or even your decision to make? Even if you have made that decision to feed a carnivorous animal like a cat on veggie food, how do you feel when that cat goes out and kill a lovely little Jenny Wren for the sake of it? Or do you keep the veggie cat in doors? Is that ethical?
Using simple logic, veggies and vegans must hate cats and dogs and raptors etc
@Iainment. You knew this was going to happen when you started this thread, didn't you?
I have to say when I was a veggie I didn't mention it unless I couldn't avoid it as inevitably some pompous twat would have to point out all the things I was doing / wearing that didn't fit their definition of being a veggie.
The pompous meat-eating twats wanted to make me out a hypocrite. The pompous vegetarian twats wanted to be a more authentic vegetarian than I was.
I thought it was something worth a chat about really. It's more about the law of unintended consequences and as such probably more fundamental to Hindus, Jains and Sikhs who absolutely cannot handle these fivers. As someone mentioned above there was a war about the use of tallow in India.
I hope they never use pavements or roads then.
Oh go on then. You've mentioned the roads and pavements twice. Tell us ;0)
Like most everyday products, some form of by-product of the meat industry has gone into the final product. Whilst not all forms of paving use these, there's no guarantee what does and does not contain dead animal. This isn't really a secret either. But if handling fivers is a "sin" then surely so does using anything else.
Vegans and veggies, it is practical to draw the line somewhere as modern society makes it impossible to be 100% compliant in non-animal product use. The religious objections though make no sense - I'm pretty sure no holy text says "you're allowed to break this rule if it becomes inconvenient". Not sure how the scaremongering by whoever was on the news yesterday was helpful to anyone, all it has done is left various faith followers hurt and confused for no real reason. A useful clarification of the "rules" from a recognised authority would have been better than a rant from a hysteric.
Not really. Some animals have no choice. Cats have to eat meat. So that's what you give them, if you have them as a pet. Dogs can live healthily on a veggie diet. I wasn't yet a vegetarian when we got our cats, and will keep them until they die. Then we will have to think about what to do.
Not really. Some animals have no choice. Cats have to eat meat. So that's what you give them, if you have them as a pet. Dogs can live healthily on a veggie diet. I wasn't yet a vegetarian when we got our cats, and will keep them until they die. Then we will have to think about what to do.
I'd recommend a rabbit, but then I'd wanna eat that
Not really. Some animals have no choice. Cats have to eat meat. So that's what you give them, if you have them as a pet. Dogs can live healthily on a veggie diet. I wasn't yet a vegetarian when we got our cats, and will keep them until they die. Then we will have to think about what to do.
But dogs do eat meat. It's natural for them and yet you impose your food predelictions onto them. They don't get a choice.
Not really. Some animals have no choice. Cats have to eat meat. So that's what you give them, if you have them as a pet. Dogs can live healthily on a veggie diet. I wasn't yet a vegetarian when we got our cats, and will keep them until they die. Then we will have to think about what to do.
But dogs do eat meat. It's natural for them and yet you impose your food predelictions onto them. They don't get a choice.
Not really. Some animals have no choice. Cats have to eat meat. So that's what you give them, if you have them as a pet. Dogs can live healthily on a veggie diet. I wasn't yet a vegetarian when we got our cats, and will keep them until they die. Then we will have to think about what to do.
There is a joke in there, but on the grounds of taste I decided not to share it.
795 million people don't have enough food to eat on a daily basis.
Just saying.
Are you arguing for a vegan diet that would free up land (is no animals needed) to grow crops for people to eat?
Then domesticated animals farmed for meat only won't have any value at all and will die out. Then the anyone who don't quite understand the issue will be crying while ginger bollocks off Countryfile tells everyone how great he and his dad are for keeping the breed alive, even though it costs em dough to keep em
Why don't people except that this is how the world is? If one doesn't want to eat summin for ANY reason, don't eat it, but don't also try and make up some stupid argument against others that do..
795 million people don't have enough food to eat on a daily basis.
Just saying.
Are you arguing for a vegan diet that would free up land (is no animals needed) to grow crops for people to eat?
Then domesticated animals farmed for meat only won't have any value at all and will die out. Then the anyone who don't quite understand the issue will be crying while ginger bollocks off Countryfile tells everyone how great he and his dad are for keeping the breed alive, even though it costs em dough to keep em
Why don't people except that this is how the world is? If one doesn't want to eat summin for ANY reason, don't eat it, but don't also try and make up some stupid argument against others that do..
'Ginger bollocks' - that made me smile! He's such a smug bastard
795 million people don't have enough food to eat on a daily basis.
Just saying.
Are you arguing for a vegan diet that would free up land (is no animals needed) to grow crops for people to eat?
Then domesticated animals farmed for meat only won't have any value at all and will die out. Then the anyone who don't quite understand the issue will be crying while ginger bollocks off Countryfile tells everyone how great he and his dad are for keeping the breed alive, even though it costs em dough to keep em
Why don't people except that this is how the world is? If one doesn't want to eat summin for ANY reason, don't eat it, but don't also try and make up some stupid argument against others that do..
'Ginger bollocks' - that made me smile! He's such a smug bastard
Petrol and diesel comes from dead animals (as well as plants) so I assume veggies walk everywhere ?
I cycle. But obviously for most of us there are compromises we have to make. I try to live as much as possible without consuming animals or using stuff made from dead animals. Maybe I'm not 100% there but I strive for that. That's all really.
Must say it has been an unexpected entertainment to see the same old ground being gone over again, although this time with a bit more edge, indeed more bite if I may use that term. To read that effectively being vegetarian makes one a sociopath was a particularly amusing addition to the usual debate we have about vegetarianism on here.
Must say it has been an unexpected entertainment to see the same old ground being gone over again, although this time with a bit more edge, indeed more bite if I may use that term. To read that effectively being vegetarian makes one a sociopath was a particularly amusing addition to the usual debate we have about vegetarianism on here.
Of course we are killing these animals specifically for the tallow that is used in the note?! Of course not.
The animal has already been slaughtered and used for about 15 different purposes before the left overs are used for this. Let's say the bank hadnt used this in the production of notes. Would the animal be alive now? Of course not. Just the tallow would have been wasted and we would have used an unnatural alternative with more waste by products.
A lot of us won't knowingly use or eat anything that is made from dead animals.
so if you were out in the country on a beautiful winters day, found a lovely pub with a nice log fire on the go but the seats by the fire was a leather sofa and and all other seats were leather covered including the bar stools you would stand/leave
I have stood in those circumstances and sat sometimes. I'm not perfect but I try my best to keep to my principles. A bigger problem in pubs for me is the poor choice of vegetarian beers and wines.
fair play mate, are any of the big brand beers vegetarian out of interest?
I think one of the Mexican ones are (Sol or Corona maybe)
Dave, just because it has a fcking Lime in the top doesn't make it vegetarian FFS
no it makes it a fruit salad and one of your five a day
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I didn't know so it wasn't an issue. I know now so it has become an issue for me.
How does this work?
If you then say that you feed your carnivorous pets with a meat free diet, is that ethical or even your decision to make? Even if you have made that decision to feed a carnivorous animal like a cat on veggie food, how do you feel when that cat goes out and kill a lovely little Jenny Wren for the sake of it? Or do you keep the veggie cat in doors? Is that ethical?
Using simple logic, veggies and vegans must hate cats and dogs and raptors etc
Just saying.
Vegans and veggies, it is practical to draw the line somewhere as modern society makes it impossible to be 100% compliant in non-animal product use. The religious objections though make no sense - I'm pretty sure no holy text says "you're allowed to break this rule if it becomes inconvenient". Not sure how the scaremongering by whoever was on the news yesterday was helpful to anyone, all it has done is left various faith followers hurt and confused for no real reason. A useful clarification of the "rules" from a recognised authority would have been better than a rant from a hysteric.
I wasn't yet a vegetarian when we got our cats, and will keep them until they die.
Then we will have to think about what to do.
Why don't people except that this is how the world is? If one doesn't want to eat summin for ANY reason, don't eat it, but don't also try and make up some stupid argument against others that do..
But obviously for most of us there are compromises we have to make. I try to live as much as possible without consuming animals or using stuff made from dead animals.
Maybe I'm not 100% there but I strive for that.
That's all really.
Must say it has been an unexpected entertainment to see the same old ground being gone over again, although this time with a bit more edge, indeed more bite if I may use that term. To read that effectively being vegetarian makes one a sociopath was a particularly amusing addition to the usual debate we have about vegetarianism on here.
Carry on.
What do you want?
I've got cock 'n hens, bulls eyes, ponies or a monkey!
The animal has already been slaughtered and used for about 15 different purposes before the left overs are used for this. Let's say the bank hadnt used this in the production of notes. Would the animal be alive now? Of course not. Just the tallow would have been wasted and we would have used an unnatural alternative with more waste by products.