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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • Melrose
    Melrose Posts: 836
    Well. He is swapping his integrity/reputation for money, the silly old fool. Keep the pressure up
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    1545, The Mary Rose sinks in The Solent .                
  • N01R4M
    N01R4M Posts: 2,577
    1545, The Mary Rose sinks in The Solent .                
    I just hope Roland's solution to this mess isn't to sink Charlton.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited February 2019
    Ducktape selling the club without the ground would inevitably lead to another move from the Valley but would be worth it to see the back of the scroat. It would be easier this time and quicker. 

    1. Planning laws are stricter
    2. The council knows what happened last time if Roly doesn't
    3. The stadium is in slightly better nick than last time
    4. Can imagine a share with Orient would suit both parties. Or in CCC share with Fulham, commuting by boat
    5. Not imagining any of the above, RD will have painted himself into a corner and surely throw in the towel quickly
    6. The Ozzies should still be around

    Is there anyone CAFC like PV who could finance such a strategy?  £2-3m in L1, perhaps up tp £5m in Champ depending on landlord. I'd say 2 years max if we could get ducks aligned for August. I'd welcome back RM if he'd stump up for it. 
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,379
    1545, The Mary Rose sinks in The Solent .                
    Mary Rose went down with 415 sailors?!
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,864
    Well Henry........
  • Mal
    Mal Posts: 616
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
    Nah, only the usual Charlton stuff, just a normal day at the office.
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    Mal said:
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
    Nah, only the usual Charlton stuff, just a normal day at the office.
    Thanks, glad to read all is well.
  • Mal
    Mal Posts: 616
    Mal said:
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
    Nah, only the usual Charlton stuff, just a normal day at the office.
    Thanks, glad to read all is well.
    EFL moving their headquarters to the Valley, while our home games are on Hackney Marshes, so all good
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    Mal said:
    Mal said:
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
    Nah, only the usual Charlton stuff, just a normal day at the office.
    Thanks, glad to read all is well.
    EFL moving their headquarters to the Valley, while our home games are on Hackney Marshes, so all good
    Sure the owner has a good reason for that
  • Mal
    Mal Posts: 616
    Mal said:
    Mal said:
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
    Nah, only the usual Charlton stuff, just a normal day at the office.
    Thanks, glad to read all is well.
    EFL moving their headquarters to the Valley, while our home games are on Hackney Marshes, so all good
    Sure the owner has a good reason for that
    Yep, he's gone loopy!
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    Mal said:
    Mal said:
    Mal said:
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
    Nah, only the usual Charlton stuff, just a normal day at the office.
    Thanks, glad to read all is well.
    EFL moving their headquarters to the Valley, while our home games are on Hackney Marshes, so all good
    Sure the owner has a good reason for that
    Yep, he's gone loopy!
    But he's a successful business man
  • Mal
    Mal Posts: 616
    Mal said:
    Mal said:
    Mal said:
    Been busy for a couple of days.

    Have I missed anything?
    Nah, only the usual Charlton stuff, just a normal day at the office.
    Thanks, glad to read all is well.
    EFL moving their headquarters to the Valley, while our home games are on Hackney Marshes, so all good
    Sure the owner has a good reason for that
    Yep, he's gone loopy!
    But he's a successful business man
    In Electronics maybe, but no successful businessman would buy something like a football club without some knowledge of how to run it, or even employ someone who knows how to run a club. I dont believe he brought the club to ever see it advance up the leagues, his latest outburst has signalled his intentions right from the off, he wants to sell the land, and he is not going to budge from what he see's as it's worth.

  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,521
    What was all that about #WIOTOS again?
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380

    I hope Roland’s epic meltdown this week might give a glimpse into who’s really to blame for the non sale of the club. It’s not the Aussies who are to blame, it’s not the fans, it’s not CARD or the protesters. Its not even the EFL.

    It’s Roland folks. Just him.

  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,479
    The man is mentally ill.
  • andynelson
    andynelson Posts: 1,951
    The man is mentally ill.
    That may be true but it doesn't help us

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  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    £70M. Told ya. Knew it all along.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    £70M. Told ya. Knew it all along.
    Woah back there.  

    Just take a second and think about what you're saying.  Because it looks very much like you're saying you're as mentally stable as Roland. Is that what you'd like people to be thinking..?
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited March 2019
    Chizz said:
    £70M. Told ya. Knew it all along.
    Woah back there.  

    Just take a second and think about what you're saying.  Because it looks very much like you're saying you're as mentally stable as Roland. Is that what you'd like people to be thinking..?
    Actually it is £70m + £7M in loans to directors, which is not included. £77M. Spot on to my prediction.

    I just understood how RD thinks. Many of you kept saying "He can't as for that, its absurd!" Or, "no one is going to pay that much!" or "He can't possibly demand a profit given we are one league lower!"

    Well, he did. And he is.

    He is crazy enough to lose more and more money every month rather than be... rational. The difference is that I was 100% correct in my assessment of the situation while most here kept thinking he would be rational. To me it was an obvious situation.

    I think the verdict is in. I was right. And I was right 1500+ pages ago. Meanwhile we have many so-called "smart people" here who kept saying "Two weeks away" or "Announcement on Tuesday!" They were 100% wrong. And here we are almost 2 years later.

    Sorry to gloat but I took a lot of crap for 2 years. So I feel justified in pointing out I was the one here who wound up closest to the facts. Have a good weekend!
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited March 2019
    Chizz said:
    £70M. Told ya. Knew it all along.
    Woah back there.  

    Just take a second and think about what you're saying.  Because it looks very much like you're saying you're as mentally stable as Roland. Is that what you'd like people to be thinking..?
    Actually it is £70m + £7M in loans to directors, which is not included. £77M. Spot on to my prediction.

    I just understood how RD thinks. Many of you kept saying "He can't as for that, its absurd!" Or, "no one is going to pay that much!" or "He can't possibly demand a profit given we are one league lower!"

    Well, he did. And he is.

    He is crazy enough to lose more and more money every month rather than be... rational. The difference is that I was 100% correct in my assessment of the situation while most here kept thinking he would be rational. To me it was an obvious situation.

    I think the verdict is in. I was right. And I was right 1500+ pages ago. Meanwhile we have many so-called "smart people" here who kept saying "Two weeks away" or "Announcement on Tuesday!" They were 100% wrong. And here we are almost 2 years later.

    Sorry to gloat but I took a lot of crap for 2 years. So I feel justified in pointing out I was the one here who wound up closest to the facts. Have a good weekend!
    Mic drops are banned mate ;-)
    Not saying you’re wrong, but there’s never been a 100% known price as far as I’m aware. £70m would certainly account for why no sale has happened though. I’ve never heard anything about the business side of the deal so wouldn’t know, but haven’t people been saying £40m? Personally I’d say that he was a fool for turning down £30m. 

    Edit:

    Hey, I just read the end of your post and you’ve given me crap, despite bemoaning the fact others have you crap. Dual standards. 
    Anyway, I never said ‘two weeks’, or ‘announcement on Tursday’, I merely repeated was GM thought was going to happen. In his words. 
    And now we’d all love to know what he’s thinking I expect. But I doubt he has a clue what’s happening, because he’s dealing with Roland.


  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited March 2019
    He is a total fool for not taking £35M. I have just accepted he is a total fool and never think he will change. Unless he feels.... threatened. If what transpired last week continues, I think he may finally want to cut his losses.
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited March 2019
    I hate to point this out, but as I understood it, the £30-35M Aussie bid was only for the club and brand. It had to be given the old nutter wants 70M. In that deal, RD would keep both the training ground and stadium, despite the BS that old bat Murray claimed to the contrary. RD was going to develop apartments as well, which he would keep in the sale. CAFC would then have been charged a lease for the assets. All the other bidders were in the same boat, which is why RD claimed "the price has been agreed." RD changed the asset valuation so he could value it in the breakup of the club between fixed assets (£42M) and soft assets (£30M.) This is why I 180'd on the Aussie deal prospect six months ago. And the Aussies could not even find the money for that crummy arrangement! It would have been worse than the present situation. I would rather have RD owning it all and losing his marbles than selling the club and draining the club dry for a decade-plus by owning the stadium and training ground. The latter situation is the literal end of the club. We would have become Leyton or Coventry. Be careful what you wish for.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited March 2019
    I hate to point this out, but the £35M Aussie bid was only for the club and brand. In that deal, RD was keeping both the training ground and stadium, despite the BS that old bat Murray claimed .RD was going to develop apartments as well, which he would keep in that deal. CAFC would then have been charged a lease for the assets. RD changed the asset valuation so he could value it in the breakup of the club between hard assets and soft assets. This is why I 180'd on the Aussie deal prospect six months ago. And the Aussies could not even find the money for that crummy arrangement! It would have been worse than the present situation. I would rather have RD owning it all and losing his marbles than selling the club and draining the club for a decade-plus by owning the stadium and training ground. The latter situation is the literal end of the club. We would have become Leyton or Coventry.
    That’s wrong. First thing GM told me that their bid was 100% for the club and grounds. He said they wouldn’t want one without the other. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    I hate to point this out, but as I understood it, the £30M Aussie bid was only for the club and brand. In that deal, RD was keeping both the training ground and stadium, despite the BS that old bat Murray claimed .RD was going to develop apartments as well, which he would keep in that deal. CAFC would then have been charged a lease for the assets. RD changed the asset valuation so he could value it in the breakup of the club between hard assets (£42M) and soft assets (£30M.) This is why I 180'd on the Aussie deal prospect six months ago. And the Aussies could not even find the money for that crummy arrangement! It would have been worse than the present situation. I would rather have RD owning it all and losing his marbles than selling the club and draining the club dry for a decade-plus by owning the stadium and training ground. The latter situation is the literal end of the club. We would have become Leyton or Coventry. Be careful what you wish for.
    What makes you think that? It seems that there's no reliable source for the figure or for what might or might not have been included. And, of course, all parties would have been under NDA. 

    What's your source for this speculation? 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Chizz said:
    I hate to point this out, but as I understood it, the £30M Aussie bid was only for the club and brand. In that deal, RD was keeping both the training ground and stadium, despite the BS that old bat Murray claimed .RD was going to develop apartments as well, which he would keep in that deal. CAFC would then have been charged a lease for the assets. RD changed the asset valuation so he could value it in the breakup of the club between hard assets (£42M) and soft assets (£30M.) This is why I 180'd on the Aussie deal prospect six months ago. And the Aussies could not even find the money for that crummy arrangement! It would have been worse than the present situation. I would rather have RD owning it all and losing his marbles than selling the club and draining the club dry for a decade-plus by owning the stadium and training ground. The latter situation is the literal end of the club. We would have become Leyton or Coventry. Be careful what you wish for.
    What makes you think that? It seems that there's no reliable source for the figure or for what might or might not have been included. And, of course, all parties would have been under NDA. 

    What's your source for this speculation? 
    There’s a reliable source for what was included. GM. 
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited March 2019
    JamesSeed said:
    I hate to point this out, but the £35M Aussie bid was only for the club and brand. In that deal, RD was keeping both the training ground and stadium, despite the BS that old bat Murray claimed .RD was going to develop apartments as well, which he would keep in that deal. CAFC would then have been charged a lease for the assets. RD changed the asset valuation so he could value it in the breakup of the club between hard assets and soft assets. This is why I 180'd on the Aussie deal prospect six months ago. And the Aussies could not even find the money for that crummy arrangement! It would have been worse than the present situation. I would rather have RD owning it all and losing his marbles than selling the club and draining the club for a decade-plus by owning the stadium and training ground. The latter situation is the literal end of the club. We would have become Leyton or Coventry.
    That’s wrong. First thing GM told me that their bid was 100% for the club and grounds. He said they wouldn’t want one without the other. 
    Yep. I know. I am fine if what I believe is eventually proven wrong. Really am! But 22 months after this thread started, and my £70M number is now the number most quoted in press accounts. How do you reconcile that? I am just going with the facts as I see them. I think if one thing can be learned so far it is that "insiders" have been nothing but wrong for almost 2 years. At some point one just had to cut bait.
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