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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    NapaAddick said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
    Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego 
    I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
    We know he had enough money that he was personal friends with Muammar Gaddafi and almost bankrolled MG’s purchase of ManU. Makes me think he has enough money to work our well for us.
    He wasn’t the buyer it was MG who was from what I have read .

    so once again he’s the fluffer 

    yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .

    I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table 
    You missed out Sebastian Sainsbury
    If Seb Sainsbury take over we will buy one player and get one free.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,190
    CheshireAddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    Remember when we was the club others modelled themselves on 😥
    Those were the days.

    It will be interesting to see how Fulham get on after relegation.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    CheshireAddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    Remember when we was the club others modelled themselves on 😥
    We are still the role model club ?

    On how not to run a football club !
  • CheshireAddick
    CheshireAddick Posts: 1,307
    soapboxsam said:
    CheshireAddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    Remember when we was the club others modelled themselves on 😥
    We are still the role model club ?

    On how not to run a football club !
    Sad but true!
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,088
    Macronate said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    I just don't know what to think. Sometimes I'm up, sometimes I'm down.


    Are we doing fish pics now?
    Why ever not?


  • charente addick
    charente addick Posts: 3,812
    roseandcrown said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    like how Curbs built the club. I would be very very happy to go back to that model and be the championship for 8 odd years building. 
    Sadly those days have gone in the Championship. You either gamble heavily on making it to the promised land or enter a relegation battle.


  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    That’s not what I’m saying. I don’t believe any of them will be buying without funding lined up to make it viable. How that funding is achieved though is a different story. 
    Usually by electronic transfer nowadays mate, probably BACS.
    Well any take over ain't gonna for at least 5 to 10 days then, going by a number of my customers
  • addick1965
    addick1965 Posts: 5,092
    Wow,514 new posts!! I wonder if there's any fish puns?
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,494
    Stig said:
    Macronate said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    I just don't know what to think. Sometimes I'm up, sometimes I'm down.


    Are we doing fish pics now?
    Why ever not?


    You should have photoshoped him holding Mike Salmon like that.
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,589
    edited June 2019
    charente addick said:
    roseandcrown said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    like how Curbs built the club. I would be very very happy to go back to that model and be the championship for 8 odd years building. 
    Sadly those days have gone in the Championship. You either gamble heavily on making it to the promised land or enter a relegation battle.


    I fear you are right

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  • joeaddick
    joeaddick Posts: 430
    soapboxsam said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    NapaAddick said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
    Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego 
    I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
    We know he had enough money that he was personal friends with Muammar Gaddafi and almost bankrolled MG’s purchase of ManU. Makes me think he has enough money to work our well for us.
    He wasn’t the buyer it was MG who was from what I have read .

    so once again he’s the fluffer 

    yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .

    I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table 
    You missed out Sebastian Sainsbury
    If Seb Sainsbury take over we will buy one player and get one free.
    but only if he agrees to a clause that Roland gets the Nectar points... 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    addick1965 said:
    Wow,514 new posts!! I wonder if there's any fish puns?
    Is the Pope a Catholic ?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,734
    edited June 2019
    charente addick said:
    roseandcrown said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    like how Curbs built the club. I would be very very happy to go back to that model and be the championship for 8 odd years building. 
    Sadly those days have gone in the Championship. You either gamble heavily on making it to the promised land or enter a relegation battle.


    Bristol City havent overly gambled though have they?

    Last season signed Marley Watkins from Norwich for £1m and Mo Eisa for £1.5m (peanuts at this level sadly)

    Whats worked for them is their outgoings of late;
     - Jonathan Kodjia was signed for £2m, sold for £11m rising to £15m
     - Aden Flint was signed for £300k, sold for £7m
     - Lloyd Kelly was an Academy lad who has just been sold for £13m

    Take off the sale of Kelly (as only happened this summer) and your looking at a team who missed out on the Play-Offs by just four points

    Huddersfield are another example of ensuring that the loan market gets used properly in the Championship

    Nor do I think its either promotion or a relegation battle at this level; a good few sides like Nottingham Forest and Sheffield Wednesday werent really in either boat last season
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,846
    ForeverAddickted said:
    roseandcrown said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    like how Curbs built the club. I would be very very happy to go back to that model and be the championship for 8 odd years building. 
    I'd honestly be happy to stay in the Championship now for the majority of my life

    If only it meant we could finish top two or end up winning the Play-Offs without being promoted I'd be quite happy
    I understand that sentiment but, in my view, there has to be a sense of ambition in the club and from its fans. That it is building (sometimes rebuilding), growing and improving. Or it could all feel very stale after a short while. That’s why we always remember so fondly the Curbs years and the journey we were on then. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,734
    Davo55 said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    roseandcrown said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    And here lies our biggest problem. 

    Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs 
    To be fair I'd take stability in the Championship even if it means we cant challenge for the Play-Offs

    Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly

    An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
    like how Curbs built the club. I would be very very happy to go back to that model and be the championship for 8 odd years building. 
    I'd honestly be happy to stay in the Championship now for the majority of my life

    If only it meant we could finish top two or end up winning the Play-Offs without being promoted I'd be quite happy
    I understand that sentiment but, in my view, there has to be a sense of ambition in the club and from its fans. That it is building (sometimes rebuilding), growing and improving. Or it could all feel very stale after a short while. That’s why we always remember so fondly the Curbs years and the journey we were on then. 
    Is very true and think we should always aim for a return to the Premier League though - Its not a League I'm bothered about though, the money being thrown about up there is eye watering, especially as we could spend £30m - £40m of the money that comes with promotion and even that would be questionable as to whether we can survive or not...
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,886
    Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

    i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

    At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

    I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

    thoughts?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,734
    AFKABartram said:
    Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

    i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

    At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

    I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

    thoughts?
    Is it much lower than last season though

    i.e. This year we've signed Bonne for £200k (?), we werent able to sign anyone for a fee last year

    Instead it was all loans apart from Taylor and Pratley who joined on a free

    Feels in a way as though he's just carrying on from that aspect yet was happy to pay money for Bonne as he's young and has potential to be sold on for a greater sum
  • superclive
    superclive Posts: 1,809
    what is making us all think the takeover with dalman has fallen through? 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,886
    superclive said:
    what is making us all think the takeover with dalman has fallen through? 
    I don’t, but every day that it doesn’t happen is surely a day closer to it not happening.

    If you take LDT’s comments then all three parties have been on the scene for a minimum 3 months, so we are not at the preliminary stages.  

    Ideally it would have happened by now and the fact it hasn’t indicates something clearly isn’t right. It has a max 3-4 weeks left to complete otherwise it will be a minimum 4-5 months, more likely 10 months before this even becomes a remote possibility again. 
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
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  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    Showmetheway2gohome said:

    Sheffield Utd didn’t gamble either 
    Burnley also can be thrown in.
    It can be done we have to always hope and believe that is why its so tough supporting.
    Thats why i was so happy when Leicester won the premier league i really was happy for the fans of that club that went through shit.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,752
    edited June 2019
    nth london addick said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

    i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

    At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

    I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

    thoughts?


    The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league 

    players cost more , agents cost more ,etc 

    if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost 

    for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed 

    you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership 

    so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business 

    what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful 

    the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat 

    Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right 

    but more than anything 

    Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both 


    If he didn’t want to go up he could easily have fielded a cheaper, weaker team in 18/19. I agree you can question how much he wanted it.

    The operating loss in 17/18 was £13.3m. Let’s say it was £10m last season. In the Championship he will get about £8m extra revenue without doing anything.

    If he runs the same budget (or lower) the operating loss drops to £2m. That is unachievable in L1. It may also get the club relegated, but from his perspective he has saved £8m or whatever part of it he doesn’t spend and the value of the club has risen giving him a better opportunity to sell.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    AFKABartram said:
    Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

    i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

    At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

    I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

    thoughts?
    Agree on most what you said, but on the bit highlighted, I think any buyer (or their team) worth their salt would see pretty quickly that the club is being run on a skeleton budget and that the accounts are giving a bit of a false representation of reality going forward. 

    Not sure if anyone's ever bought a business, but in the description, the agent usually lists areas where business could be improved e.g., a website, longer opening hours etc. As far as I can see, the only way Charlton's immediate finances could be improved is to win back the goodwill of the fans and sell a shed load of season tickets and, long term, obviously a push for the Prem / a couple of decent cup runs 🤣. Plus I think the odd decent transfer in or out would help an all
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,061
    Henry Irving said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    NapaAddick said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
    Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego 
    I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
    We know he had enough money that he was personal friends with Muammar Gaddafi and almost bankrolled MG’s purchase of ManU. Makes me think he has enough money to work our well for us.
    He wasn’t the buyer it was MG who was from what I have read .

    so once again he’s the fluffer 

    yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .

    I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table 
    As rich as Tan, apparently.
    Source?

    According to the unreliable interweb Tan is worth USD820 million 

    So maybe less than Andrew Muir who we "know" doesn't have the money.
    There is no point having the money if you don't want to spend it on Charlton.
    RD has the money as well, so what ?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,061
    edited June 2019
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    NapaAddick said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
    Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego 
    I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
    We know he had enough money that he was personal friends with Muammar Gaddafi and almost bankrolled MG’s purchase of ManU. Makes me think he has enough money to work our well for us.
    He wasn’t the buyer it was MG who was from what I have read .

    so once again he’s the fluffer 

    yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .

    I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table 
    As rich as Tan, apparently.
    Source?

    According to the unreliable interweb Tan is worth USD820 million 

    So maybe less than Andrew Muir who we "know" doesn't have the money.
    Who said that we "know" Muir doesn't have the money?
    No one that I'm aware of.
    But we know he doesn't want to spend enormous sums the same as RD doesn't, which is why they have been and still are looking for investors.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    superclive said:
    what is making us all think the takeover with dalman has fallen through? 
    I read someone last night stating he was walking because there was more debt than he was advised about previously.

    If that's the case he wants to sack the guys who did hid due diligence because with a company of this size there should not be a paperclip not accounted for!
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,757
    soapboxsam said:
    addick1965 said:
    Wow,514 new posts!! I wonder if there's any fish puns?
    Is the Tope a Catholic ?

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