The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

i_b_b_o_r_g

LargeAddick said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

Henry Irving said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

oohaahmortimer said:

NapaAddick said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego 
I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour

We know he had enough money that he was personal friends with Muammar Gaddafi and almost bankrolled MG’s purchase of ManU. Makes me think he has enough money to work our well for us.

He wasn’t the buyer it was MG who was from what I have read .

so once again he’s the fluffer 

yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .

I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table 

As rich as Tan, apparently.

Source?

According to the unreliable interweb Tan is worth USD820 million 

So maybe less than Andrew Muir who we "know" doesn't have the money.

There is no point having the money if you don't want to spend it on Charlton.
RD has the money as well, so what ?

Exactly but justifying Dalman as a sound bet when he has less money then Muir, who "hasn't got the money" makes no sense.  That's what.

Dont you think you're being a bit hypocritical here mate? One minute you're twisting it one way, then the other, but all along it don't matter what the owner is worth, as long as they're willing to invest enough.

As far as I can see, Dalman's finances and backing have hardly been mentioned. The reason he stands out for me more than the Aussies, at this moment in time, is his experience and popularity at Cardiff, along with the contacts he presumably has in the game. 

're the Aussies, there's a couple of things that concern me, those being the way they're going about attracting more investment and their lack of experience in English football. Ive also got a feeling that their ultimate plan is to use the club to school and sell Australian players in order to turn a profit, not a system tbat id personally be on favour of, but I stand to be corrected on that being tbeir plan.

If it does end being the Aussies, they'd get my backing and see how it goes.

hasn't Gerard Murphy been involved in English football previously?

You tell me mate. I remember seeing some post that they thought he had

_MrDick

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

Personally, I have no preference for the "Aussies" or Dalman.
I don't know enough about their plans or their available resources.
I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

me too

We'll only be able to judge the buyers when we know more about them and their plans.

Six questions I asked when the Spivs took over:

1. Who owns the club?

2. What is the business plan?

3. How is that plan to be funded?

4. What are the plans for the Valley?

5. What are the plans for the training ground and academy?

6. What is the exit strategy?

Ah, that old chestnut 😂

killerandflash

Fumbluff said:

We’re just the mushrooms

You're a fun guy

Clem_Snide

Game over

ForeverAddickted

Without trying to ignore Acworth, would he actually know if Dalman has walked or not?

Cafc43v3r

Clem_Snide said:

Game over

From his house to his car? 

sam3110

Of course not

Covered End

Clem_Snide said:

Game over

Acworth is a fantasist and possibly the least reliable source that ever existed and that is being generous.

killerandflash

"Do we need to send a car to collect Dalman from the station?"
"No, Dalman has walked"

superclive

can we get a line on this dalman walking thing from @Airman Brown or @JamesSeed ? it's rather worrying. 

Clem_Snide

Clem_Snide said:

Game over

For clarity. I am fully aware who Acworth is. This was supposed to be ironic.

BR7_addick

Covered End said:

Clem_Snide said:

Game over

Acworth is a fantasist and possibly the least reliable source that ever existed and that is being generous.

Just give us a straight answer.

Airman Brown

nth london addick said:

Airman Brown said:

nth london addick said:

AFKABartram said:

Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

thoughts?

The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league 

players cost more , agents cost more ,etc 

if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost 

for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed 

you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership 

so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business 

what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful 

the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat 

Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right 

but more than anything 

Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both 

If he didn’t want to go up he could easily have fielded a cheaper, weaker team in 18/19. I agree you can question how much he wanted it.

The operating loss in 17/18 was £13.3m. Let’s say it was £10m last season. In the Championship he will get about £8m extra revenue without doing anything.

If he runs the same budget (or lower) the operating loss drops to £2m. That is unachievable in L1. It may also get the club relegated, but from his perspective he has saved £8m or whatever part of it he doesn’t spend and the value of the club has risen giving him a better opportunity to sell.

I don’t doubt the opportunity to sell increased but I really don’t think he wanted it , I didn’t agree with that then but looking at what is happening now I can’t see any other reason why he is doing what he is , I also don’t see why either potential buyer has not stipulated that player sales stop during negotiations. 

I do believe honestly that he will not be here start of season and I am 75% to 25% that it will be Aussies that win 

the one thing he won’t do is fund anything before it’s concluded that is a huge concern so the buyers need to negotiate quick and conclude before their left with costs to replace that are not needed.

i don’t want to particularly see whoever comes in spend to success I would much rather it was organic growth using the academy and absolutely amazing work done by the team there and the odd quality signing to assist, And get back up in a way that will not bankrupt us and keep Bowyer and Jackson for the next ten yrs to build the club up 

Yes, but you’re still not offering any explanation of how RD would be better off in L1 - he literally would not be unless he chooses to spend all the additional income.

There will presumably be some contractual salary increases, plus Bowyer and staff, plus stewarding costs but that won’t amount to £8m on its own.

harveys_gardener

Airman Brown said:

nth london addick said:

Airman Brown said:

nth london addick said:

AFKABartram said:

Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

thoughts?

The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league 

players cost more , agents cost more ,etc 

if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost 

for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed 

you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership 

so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business 

what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful 

the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat 

Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right 

but more than anything 

Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both 

If he didn’t want to go up he could easily have fielded a cheaper, weaker team in 18/19. I agree you can question how much he wanted it.

The operating loss in 17/18 was £13.3m. Let’s say it was £10m last season. In the Championship he will get about £8m extra revenue without doing anything.

If he runs the same budget (or lower) the operating loss drops to £2m. That is unachievable in L1. It may also get the club relegated, but from his perspective he has saved £8m or whatever part of it he doesn’t spend and the value of the club has risen giving him a better opportunity to sell.

I don’t doubt the opportunity to sell increased but I really don’t think he wanted it , I didn’t agree with that then but looking at what is happening now I can’t see any other reason why he is doing what he is , I also don’t see why either potential buyer has not stipulated that player sales stop during negotiations. 

I do believe honestly that he will not be here start of season and I am 75% to 25% that it will be Aussies that win 

the one thing he won’t do is fund anything before it’s concluded that is a huge concern so the buyers need to negotiate quick and conclude before their left with costs to replace that are not needed.

i don’t want to particularly see whoever comes in spend to success I would much rather it was organic growth using the academy and absolutely amazing work done by the team there and the odd quality signing to assist, And get back up in a way that will not bankrupt us and keep Bowyer and Jackson for the next ten yrs to build the club up 

Yes, but you’re still not offering any explanation of how RD would be better off in L1 - he literally would not be unless he chooses to spend all the additional income.

There will presumably be some contractual salary increases, plus Bowyer and staff, plus stewarding costs but that won’t amount to £8m.

Offset by selling out the Jimmy Seed stand most weeks

Airman Brown

harveys_gardener said:

Airman Brown said:

nth london addick said:

Airman Brown said:

nth london addick said:

AFKABartram said:

Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

thoughts?

The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league 

players cost more , agents cost more ,etc 

if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost 

for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed 

you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership 

so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business 

what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful 

the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat 

Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right 

but more than anything 

Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both 

If he didn’t want to go up he could easily have fielded a cheaper, weaker team in 18/19. I agree you can question how much he wanted it.

The operating loss in 17/18 was £13.3m. Let’s say it was £10m last season. In the Championship he will get about £8m extra revenue without doing anything.

If he runs the same budget (or lower) the operating loss drops to £2m. That is unachievable in L1. It may also get the club relegated, but from his perspective he has saved £8m or whatever part of it he doesn’t spend and the value of the club has risen giving him a better opportunity to sell.

I don’t doubt the opportunity to sell increased but I really don’t think he wanted it , I didn’t agree with that then but looking at what is happening now I can’t see any other reason why he is doing what he is , I also don’t see why either potential buyer has not stipulated that player sales stop during negotiations. 

I do believe honestly that he will not be here start of season and I am 75% to 25% that it will be Aussies that win 

the one thing he won’t do is fund anything before it’s concluded that is a huge concern so the buyers need to negotiate quick and conclude before their left with costs to replace that are not needed.

i don’t want to particularly see whoever comes in spend to success I would much rather it was organic growth using the academy and absolutely amazing work done by the team there and the odd quality signing to assist, And get back up in a way that will not bankrupt us and keep Bowyer and Jackson for the next ten yrs to build the club up 

Yes, but you’re still not offering any explanation of how RD would be better off in L1 - he literally would not be unless he chooses to spend all the additional income.

There will presumably be some contractual salary increases, plus Bowyer and staff, plus stewarding costs but that won’t amount to £8m.

Offset by selling out the Jimmy Seed stand most weeks

I’m already including that windfall in the revenue, although it was closer to 1,500 average than 3,000 in the past - and it wasn’t zero in L1. It’s probably worth roughly £500k extra net of VAT and taking into account concessions.

Swisdom

Acworth is quoting what he saw on here

That's the danger with this kind of thing.  Bollocks gets spread to the masses and rumours become fact

Acworth - if you're reading this listen up (this is just between me and you).  Dalman is currently on holiday with Elvis and Princess Diana thrashing out the last of the funding issues.  The last I heard he was actually at the Alliance and Leicester Cashpoint on Sidcup high street getting the last of the cash so it should all be buttoned up this afternoon.  They've got to be quick because Elvis is performing at a Women's Institute dinner tonight and needs to get ready.

bobmunro

Swisdom said:

Acworth is quoting what he saw on here

That's the danger with this kind of thing.  Bollocks gets spread to the masses and rumours become fact

Acworth - if you're reading this listen up (this is just between me and you).  Dalman is currently on holiday with Elvis and Princess Diana thrashing out the last of the funding issues.  The last I heard he was actually at the Alliance and Leicester Cashpoint on Sidcup high street getting the last of the cash so it should all be buttoned up this afternoon.  They've got to be quick because Elvis is performing at a Women's Institute dinner tonight and needs to get ready.

Has he started tweeting fish puns yet?

Chris_from_Sidcup

ForeverAddickted said:

Without trying to ignore Acworth, would he actually know if Dalman has walked or not?

I sometimes wonder if Acworth would even know how to get himself dressed in the morning, never mind what Dalman is doing.

johnny73

I think you are all going about this the wrong way. Hyperventilating over every rumour and creating suppositions from tenuous information.

Moving on from house selling analogies and fish puns.

The quickest way for the club to be sold and for us to have new owners is to kill this thread. Sorry Henry.

Let me explain.

Lost your car keys? Mobile missing? TV remote gone on walkabout?

You've searched high and low. No joy. You've blamed the wife, kids and dogs. Nerves are frayed. Eventually you give up and stop searching.

Five minutes later you accidentally turned on the TV by sitting on the remote. It was on the sofa the whole time. The mobile was in the fridge and the car keys in the goldfish bowl - how did that happen?

Kill this thread now and all will be peachy!

grumpyaddick

Unconfirmed reports that Dalman has been out musselled by the Ozzies.  

Uboat

Swisdom said:

Acworth is quoting what he saw on here

That's the danger with this kind of thing.  Bollocks gets spread to the masses and rumours become fact

Acworth - if you're reading this listen up (this is just between me and you).  Dalman is currently on holiday with Elvis and Princess Diana thrashing out the last of the funding issues.  The last I heard he was actually at the Alliance and Leicester Cashpoint on Sidcup high street getting the last of the cash so it should all be buttoned up this afternoon.  They've got to be quick because Elvis is performing at a Women's Institute dinner tonight and needs to get ready.

That seems unlikely as I heard he was last seen having drinks with his Holiness Pope Gregory IX, aboard his steam yacht, 'The Saucy Sue', currently wintering in Montego Bay, with the England cricket team, and the Balinese Goddess of Plenty.

Dazzler21

grumpyaddick said:

Unconfirmed reports that Dalman has been out musselled by the Ozzies.  

I just want ROLAND OUT NOW PLEASE

bobmunro

Uboat said:

Swisdom said:

Acworth is quoting what he saw on here

That's the danger with this kind of thing.  Bollocks gets spread to the masses and rumours become fact

Acworth - if you're reading this listen up (this is just between me and you).  Dalman is currently on holiday with Elvis and Princess Diana thrashing out the last of the funding issues.  The last I heard he was actually at the Alliance and Leicester Cashpoint on Sidcup high street getting the last of the cash so it should all be buttoned up this afternoon.  They've got to be quick because Elvis is performing at a Women's Institute dinner tonight and needs to get ready.

That seems unlikely as I heard he was last seen having drinks with his Holiness Pope Gregory IX, aboard his steam yacht, 'The Saucy Sue', currently wintering in Montego Bay, with the England cricket team, and the Balinese Goddess of Plenty.

No, I believe you are mistaken - that was Colin.

Scoham

Based on the rumour on here or something more to it?

https://twitter.com/paulabbandonato/status/1144582635471155200?s=21

https://twitter.com/markhadley22/status/1144567616062853121?s=21

The Red Robin

Scoham said:

Based on the rumour on here or something more to it?

https://twitter.com/paulabbandonato/status/1144582635471155200?s=21

https://twitter.com/markhadley22/status/1144567616062853121?s=21

Good job he capitalised definitely, I wouldn't have understood what he meant otherwise. 

i_b_b_o_r_g

grumpyaddick said:

Unconfirmed reports that Dalman has been out musselled by the Ozzies.  

Yeah,  he's whelked apparently 

happyvalley

1825, The world's first modern railway opens . The Stockton and Darlington Railway.

Dazzler21

Surely someone can part with a few squid to save us from Roland.

BR7_addick

happyvalley said:

1825, The world's first modern railway opens . The Stockton and Darlington Railway.

Will get a few likes this one..

i_b_b_o_r_g

Airman Brown said:

harveys_gardener said:

Airman Brown said:

nth london addick said:

Airman Brown said:

nth london addick said:

AFKABartram said:

Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.

i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.

At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club. 

I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and  dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.

thoughts?

The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league 

players cost more , agents cost more ,etc 

if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost 

for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed 

you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership 

so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business 

what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful 

the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat 

Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right 

but more than anything 

Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both 

If he didn’t want to go up he could easily have fielded a cheaper, weaker team in 18/19. I agree you can question how much he wanted it.

The operating loss in 17/18 was £13.3m. Let’s say it was £10m last season. In the Championship he will get about £8m extra revenue without doing anything.

If he runs the same budget (or lower) the operating loss drops to £2m. That is unachievable in L1. It may also get the club relegated, but from his perspective he has saved £8m or whatever part of it he doesn’t spend and the value of the club has risen giving him a better opportunity to sell.

I don’t doubt the opportunity to sell increased but I really don’t think he wanted it , I didn’t agree with that then but looking at what is happening now I can’t see any other reason why he is doing what he is , I also don’t see why either potential buyer has not stipulated that player sales stop during negotiations. 

I do believe honestly that he will not be here start of season and I am 75% to 25% that it will be Aussies that win 

the one thing he won’t do is fund anything before it’s concluded that is a huge concern so the buyers need to negotiate quick and conclude before their left with costs to replace that are not needed.

i don’t want to particularly see whoever comes in spend to success I would much rather it was organic growth using the academy and absolutely amazing work done by the team there and the odd quality signing to assist, And get back up in a way that will not bankrupt us and keep Bowyer and Jackson for the next ten yrs to build the club up 

Yes, but you’re still not offering any explanation of how RD would be better off in L1 - he literally would not be unless he chooses to spend all the additional income.

There will presumably be some contractual salary increases, plus Bowyer and staff, plus stewarding costs but that won’t amount to £8m.

Offset by selling out the Jimmy Seed stand most weeks

I’m already including that windfall in the revenue, although it was closer to 1,500 average than 3,000 in the past - and it wasn’t zero in L1. It’s probably worth roughly £500k extra net of VAT and taking into account concessions.

Worst fishy pun so far, must try harder