Hold on Hold on---- this take over was never ever going to be done in a flash was it ? its Charlton and its RD to start and then theres the "agreed price" ---well thats not A PRICE its PRICES: -- All assets of CAFC and debts subject to us being in League ONE. -- All assets of CAFC and debts subject to us being in the Championship. -- The above two subject to leasehold or freehold of the Ground and Sparrows Lane and therefore price difference etc
So if Karl continues to perform and we are in League one then the sale will go through quicker than if we get in the play offs etc. If its League One then it will only be done when its mathematical that we cant get in the play offs.
All of the above has to be worked into a framework contract by lawyers and agreed by all parties --- thats formers directors as well.
Either way its weeks or months away.
I dont have ANY insider knowledge.
It does NOT have to be agreed with the former directors - that only comes into play if there are leases or if the buyer wants clean title.
That is correct but who in their right mind would buy the Club without clean title, only an idiot like Roland who never checked the details as he did his own DD with a young Lawyer/CEO. He wants his £50mn we hear, but there is £7mn extra of Secured Debt that buyers have to clear to get that title. Even the smartest/richest buyer will want to put in Loans and not tie up his investment in Equity, so someone has to clear that debt and so far I guess no agreement has been made.
Agree with GH, obviously there are two prices involved, and as long as there is the slimmest hope of us going up, then RD will hold up the sale in the hopes of screwing even more cash out of the deal in the hopes of compensating himself for his magnificent stewardship of the club.
Also agree with Davidsmith that the best way to increase the chance of a deal is for us to lose matches rather than win them (so maybe Karl is the right man for the job at the moment, then). Even if we did get into the playoffs, we would have zero chance of succeeding given the other teams that we would have to compete with due to our circumstances. The sooner we are sure that we have no chance of promotion, then the sooner RD will be forced to confront the reality that he is asking too much for a club that he has devalued considerably with his own incompetence. Unfortunately, this too may be a false dawn if he still maintains that a club that he has destroyed is worth around three times what it actually is. If you bought a new car for ten grand and then drove it into a wall, would you really be able to find someone willing to pay 3 times that for the crumpled wreck that it now is?
Knowing how deluded he is, I fear that, in the end, any potential owners will grow tired of dealing with someone who appears to off their nut and who refuses to engage reality.
My optimism of a few weeks back appears to be evaporating....
So Robinson confirmed what I said last week. The players have basically stopped playing, because they are concerned about their futures.
“There’s been too many things hanging over the club for too long a time. So when something very small goes against you it sparks a negative mentality. You’ve got players in there whose contracts are up in the summer not knowing what’s going on, who’s going to be in charge. These are answers that I can’t give to players or their agents with six weeks to go in the season.
“This is a reality check. If I’ve got to get in trouble for saying it I don’t really care. It’s the truth.
“I’d love to build something properly but how can you build something when you don’t know what corner you’re turning. We’ve created quite a good mentality around the place but we need something to take us onto the next level now. Everybody is just waiting. How long can you keep waiting? People’s careers are going down the pan. It’s as simple as that.”
This is truly chilling. Obviously a lot saying this is a deflection from a shit performance may not be wrong. But that statement speaks to just how bad things have gotten inside the club.
I expect this has been said before, but using the excuse of the takeover to deflect from the poor performances is ridiculous.
Where as I am completely understanding that when issues above you such as this can effect your performance in any work place, any manager worth his salt should be able to get his players to perform at a competitive level.
Now it's not that we are losing games that is the issue, because you can dominate games and still lose it in the final minute, it's that we are getting outplayed week in week out. With the talented players we have, I am convinced that we should be far more competitive in games - the only reason I believe we are not is because of the coaching and tactics.
I expect this has been said before, but using the excuse of the takeover to deflect from the poor performances is ridiculous.
Where as I am completely understanding that when issues above you such as this can effect your performance in any work place, any manager worth his salt should be able to get his players to perform at a competitive level.
Now it's not that we are losing games that is the issue, because you can dominate games and still lose it in the final minute, it's that we are getting outplayed week in week out. With the talented players we have, I am convinced that we should be far more competitive in games - the only reason I believe we are not is because of the coaching and tactics.
I expect this has been said before, but using the excuse of the takeover to deflect from the poor performances is ridiculous.
Where as I am completely understanding that when issues above you such as this can effect your performance in any work place, any manager worth his salt should be able to get his players to perform at a competitive level.
Now it's not that we are losing games that is the issue, because you can dominate games and still lose it in the final minute, it's that we are getting outplayed week in week out. With the talented players we have, I am convinced that we should be far more competitive in games - the only reason I believe we are not is because of the coaching and tactics.
It has to be - We're in L1 ffs. We shouldn't be getting outplayed like this and we're becoming a joke.
Most teams in this division don't have great squads. Getting outplayed must mean something is seriously wrong.
These are all important questions, but they should not be allowed to obscure what is potentially a big step forward for the Addicks and will hopefully leave them looking up the Championship table again instead of down it.
As supporters we should fully expect to have our differences with the new owner in time. But he would have to work very hard do a worse job communicating with supporters or providing leadership and support within the business than those he replaces.
So for now Voice of The Valley extends a warm welcome to Roland Duchatelet, and as far as we are concerned he starts with a clean sheet
I expect this has been said before, but using the excuse of the takeover to deflect from the poor performances is ridiculous.
Where as I am completely understanding that when issues above you such as this can effect your performance in any work place, any manager worth his salt should be able to get his players to perform at a competitive level.
Now it's not that we are losing games that is the issue, because you can dominate games and still lose it in the final minute, it's that we are getting outplayed week in week out. With the talented players we have, I am convinced that we should be far more competitive in games - the only reason I believe we are not is because of the coaching and tactics.
It has to be - We're in L1 ffs. We shouldn't be getting outplayed like this and we're becoming a joke.
Most teams in this division don't have great squads. Getting outplayed must mean something is seriously wrong.
Makes me sick, like "Nipper" showering in David Beckhams gel.
Chaos and uncertainty. Careers being ruined. Jobs on the line. Misery surrounds Charlton on a scale never witnessed before. Losing to a team that has not won at home since the season before last (Autumn), seems to have clarified one point. The full extent of the damage caused by the egoism, greed, deception and blind stupidity of the FA, and all the "fit and proper" tax dodgers, money launderers, human rights abusers, pornographers and oligarchs they openly support.
Well, someone needed to say it.
Good bye and farewell British football. I wind down my window and spit on your grave.
Don’t panic. The information must have come from Murray, so probably means nothing. It might have just been an aside which Karl has latched on to (successfully) deflect attention away from a poor performance.
Ok I’m clutching at straws here.
Anyway, the good news is there are plenty of July and August dates available in the prediction thread.
Statement from Murray required now.
He’ll only say what he thinks the fans want to hear. He’s just another cog in the bullshit brigade.
This this this
Nothing he says holds weight or value it’s exactly what West ham done the other week
Pacify and make people feel like they are achieving something by getting information from them
Fooling some of the people some of the time but In the end you can’t fool all of the people all of the time
How exactly is it in Murray's interest to have put himself in a position where the manager is publicly undermining him though? And let's face it the overwhelming likelihood is that Robinson is simply regurgitating a version of what Murray is telling him.
The key dynamic is the one that repeatedly left Meire publicly supporting managers just before they were sacked. The old bastard in Belgium is mad as a box of frogs and no one can keep up with him - including the club's own lawyers. It's like Trump's West Wing.
It’s not in Murray’s interest at all to do that but the man is a bullshitter and his chickens have come home to roost , he has spouting the same shit to everyone including the hapless and hopeless Robinson and every one has seen through it and rebelling against it
Personally I think there's a chance it will happen soon now - it looks like any faint chances of going up are disappearing. The Robinson 'rant' is either, just that, a rant from a guy who knows results aren't doing his career any favours and / or somebody has told him it's a way off as a negotiating stance, to try and force an agreement out of one of the 2 bidders. It's always darkest, just before the dawn. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it happens in the next few days. There again, wouldn't surprise me if it happens in the summer. Do not think it will go on longer than that - his plan, after relegation/the end of the experiment, was always to give it 2 years to get back up, then get out. That is what will happen.
Blimey, if you change your predictions from “it’s not happening” to “it’ll happen as soon as the division we’re in next season is clear” to “anytime in the next two years” then I concede with pretty much all bases now covered you must be really really ITK and really really cool
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
And how much would it cost to sack Robinson ?
Nowhere near as much as the additional amount he could charge for the club if we were headed for the Championship. Admittedly it would be a punt, but if I was RD I would probably take it.
But then promotion now would not just give us fans what we really want but with a takeover it would give us double what we want - Havent people said that the last thing Roland wants to do is to make us Charlton fans happy?
He knows that the takeover will do that so he's probably hoping that the takeover will be completed a few days after we're doomed to another season in League One which he thinks will then leave us unhappy
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
And how much would it cost to sack Robinson ?
Nowhere near as much as the additional amount he could charge for the club if we were headed for the Championship. Admittedly it would be a punt, but if I was RD I would probably take it.
Its funny, I have a feeling he might have tried that trick before. Look, we ain't going anywhere under Duchatelet.
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
And how much would it cost to sack Robinson ?
Nowhere near as much as the additional amount he could charge for the club if we were headed for the Championship. Admittedly it would be a punt, but if I was RD I would probably take it.
Its funny, I have a feeling he might have tried that trick before. Look, we ain't going anywhere under Duchatelet.
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
And how much would it cost to sack Robinson ?
Nowhere near as much as the additional amount he could charge for the club if we were headed for the Championship. Admittedly it would be a punt, but if I was RD I would probably take it.
Its funny, I have a feeling he might have tried that trick before. Look, we ain't going anywhere under Duchatelet.
Well yes, which is why I'm surprised he hasn't tried it again! I'm clutching at straws and hoping it's a sign that he's off soon.
"its in RDs best interest -----" o dear we still need to get rid of the idea that there is LOGIC involved here or a business thought process ---- its EGO a big fat EGO backed up by £700 mil
**Daisy in her first Managerial role or footie related role **Burger Boy **Geting rid of all the people with heritage knowledge and keeping the poodles **The manager merry go round **Karl Fraye **no CEO **no CFO
and the largest of all NO FECKING INTEREST
If we survive Rds nitemare whoever writes the book will have a best seller either in football World or up there with Stephen King (misery two)
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
And how much would it cost to sack Robinson ?
Nothing more than he is paying now if he just replaces him from within.
I fully understand why NLA and others are saying that there won't be progress in this tedious takeover saga until we know what division we'll be playing in next year.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
And how much would it cost to sack Robinson ?
Nothing more than he is paying now if he just replaces him from within.
Would either Jase, Bowyer or Jacko want the job? It's a poisoned chalice, personally I'd want my first crack as manager to have at least a fighting chance, any manager under Duchatelet is doomed to failure.
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He wants his £50mn we hear, but there is £7mn extra of Secured Debt that buyers have to clear to get that title.
Even the smartest/richest buyer will want to put in Loans and not tie up his investment in Equity, so someone has to clear that debt and so far I guess no agreement has been made.
All protests are left wing conspiracies to get Powell in and their old jobs back.
M. Duchatelet has made mistakes but he has learnt from them.
Stop going on about past mistakes and get behind the team.
M. Duchatelet saved the club and there are no other buyers out there. All lies to sell fanzines.
We have a good CEO who gets abuse because she is a woman.
Robinson has passion and who else would do a better job?
Let's see where we are after the next transfer window.
Also agree with Davidsmith that the best way to increase the chance of a deal is for us to lose matches rather than win them (so maybe Karl is the right man for the job at the moment, then). Even if we did get into the playoffs, we would have zero chance of succeeding given the other teams that we would have to compete with due to our circumstances. The sooner we are sure that we have no chance of promotion, then the sooner RD will be forced to confront the reality that he is asking too much for a club that he has devalued considerably with his own incompetence. Unfortunately, this too may be a false dawn if he still maintains that a club that he has destroyed is worth around three times what it actually is. If you bought a new car for ten grand and then drove it into a wall, would you really be able to find someone willing to pay 3 times that for the crumpled wreck that it now is?
Knowing how deluded he is, I fear that, in the end, any potential owners will grow tired of dealing with someone who appears to off their nut and who refuses to engage reality.
My optimism of a few weeks back appears to be evaporating....
Where as I am completely understanding that when issues above you such as this can effect your performance in any work place, any manager worth his salt should be able to get his players to perform at a competitive level.
Now it's not that we are losing games that is the issue, because you can dominate games and still lose it in the final minute, it's that we are getting outplayed week in week out. With the talented players we have, I am convinced that we should be far more competitive in games - the only reason I believe we are not is because of the coaching and tactics.
Most teams in this division don't have great squads. Getting outplayed must mean something is seriously wrong.
As supporters we should fully expect to have our differences with the new owner in time. But he would have to work very hard do a worse job communicating with supporters or providing leadership and support within the business than those he replaces.
So for now Voice of The Valley extends a warm welcome to Roland Duchatelet, and as far as we are concerned he starts with a clean sheet
only clean sheet we need now is a shroud !
The Duchatalet effect...... by Yves St. Laurent.
Makes me sick, like "Nipper" showering in David Beckhams gel.
Chaos and uncertainty. Careers being ruined. Jobs on the line. Misery surrounds Charlton on a scale never witnessed before. Losing to a team that has not won at home since the season before last (Autumn), seems to have clarified one point. The full extent of the damage caused by the egoism, greed, deception and blind stupidity of the FA, and all the "fit and proper" tax dodgers, money launderers, human rights abusers, pornographers and oligarchs they openly support.
Well, someone needed to say it.
Good bye and farewell British football. I wind down my window and spit on your grave.
But what seems strange to me is that RD hasn't moved to sack Robinson. Surely it would be in his best interests to try a new manager in a last-ditch push for the Championship? It's blatantly obvious that we're going nowhere with Robinson in charge.
He knows that the takeover will do that so he's probably hoping that the takeover will be completed a few days after we're doomed to another season in League One which he thinks will then leave us unhappy
**Daisy in her first Managerial role or footie related role
**Burger Boy
**Geting rid of all the people with heritage knowledge and keeping the poodles
**The manager merry go round
**Karl Fraye
**no CEO
**no CFO
and the largest of all NO FECKING INTEREST
If we survive Rds nitemare whoever writes the book will have a best seller either in football World or up there with Stephen King (misery two)
Less articles about Wet Spam and more about clubs in actual dire straits