Alternatively, what about? If you're genuinely interested, you're probably going to vote anyway. If you're not really bothered, leave it to those who are.
Well, on the walk back to my Mum's from Eltham station. Counted 13 Efford posters in house windows. None for any other party. Talk about shy Tories
Then a gaggle of 4 young Tory canvassers pitched up so I took the opportunity to engage them:-) One claimed that as well as the social care floor of 100k, there will be a ceiling too ( i.e max anyone would pay). Thats news.
But apart from that slip they were intelligent and good humoured and a credit to our democratic process.
The ceiling was what they were going to bring in (about £80k?) but that was only the care element not the housing part. I'd assumed that had been scrapped in favour of the £100k floor.
I think he was speaking out of turn. The oldest one rowed back and talked about a consultation. I got the feeling I wasn't the first to have raised this. I started by asking why we are having this election at all, and was treated to a personal rendition of strong and stable government. When he then referred to needing it for the Brexit negotiations I said the EU doesn't give a monkeys whether she has a majority of 9 or 90, it's still the sovereign government with a clear majority. But they started banging on about rebels who would plan to block everything in Parliament.WTF? how can they if they are majority government.
Alternatively, what about? If you're genuinely interested, you're probably going to vote anyway. If you're not really bothered, leave it to those who are.
If they're not bothered, now they'll just whine when they haven't voted and the old rhetoric 'If you didin't vote, you can't complain' will be banded about, just like post Brexit Referendum & post 2015 election etc...
I'm not sure if the saying or lack of voting is more annoying!
Does anyone have any interesting parties to vote for on their balot paper?
In Rochester & Strood I've got the "Christian People's Alliance" as an option - Not sure whether to vote for them though because their Party Leader doesnt often have much to talk about
We're in the same constituency! Cute
To clarify from all the Canterbury chat further up the thread. My parent's house is in the Rochester and Strood constituency and that's where I chose to vote as it's a bit more of a battle than Canterbury.
Well, on the walk back to my Mum's from Eltham station. Counted 13 Efford posters in house windows. None for any other party. Talk about shy Tories
Then a gaggle of 4 young Tory canvassers pitched up so I took the opportunity to engage them:-) One claimed that as well as the social care floor of 100k, there will be a ceiling too ( i.e max anyone would pay). Thats news.
But apart from that slip they were intelligent and good humoured and a credit to our democratic process.
The ceiling was what they were going to bring in (about £80k?) but that was only the care element not the housing part. I'd assumed that had been scrapped in favour of the £100k floor.
I think he was speaking out of turn. The oldest one rowed back and talked about a consultation. I got the feeling I wasn't the first to have raised this. I started by asking why we are having this election at all, and was treated to a personal rendition of strong and stable government. When he then referred to needing it for the Brexit negotiations I said the EU doesn't give a monkeys whether she has a majority of 9 or 90, it's still the sovereign government with a clear majority. But they started banging on about rebels who would plan to block everything in Parliament.WTF? how can they if they are majority government.
Oh well....off to vote, then...
The ceiling isn't part of the manifesto. It was conjured up by May four days after the manifesto was published and following univeral condemnation. She decided there would be a consultation, after the election, to decide the "cap".
So the manifesto was crystal clear about the £100k floor level, but made no mention of a cap. Then she added the plan for a consultation on the cap, then she did her trademark...
Her trademark is to lie, but before lying talks about being "clear", then she lies, then she usually repeats the lie.
You can see it here: https://youtu.be/4Xmtt7DFiF4 "Let's be clear" (1'02") and "Nothing has changed, nothing has changed" (1'30").
There seems to be an intrinsic link between Labour and Remain in this election.
What about Tory remainers?
91 Tory seats from 2015 voted Remain in 2016 (including May's own constituency in Maidenhead) - only a small number of these 91 are 'in play' for Lab or LibDem (eg. Stroud, Cardiff North, Battersea, Bristol NW, Reading East, Gower, Hendon...) but most are safe to go with nearly all of the 238 that voted Tory/Leave.
Labour are not campaigning to remain like the Lib Dems. They accept Brexit and will just ensure we will get the best deal we can through strong but sensible negotiation. May's tactics are like you going to buy a second hand car and you telling the seller you are going to make mincemeat of him in the negotiations and that he is a ****!
Labour are not campaigning to remain like the Lib Dems. They accept Brexit and will just ensure we will get the best deal we can through strong but sensible negotiation. May's tactics are like you going to buy a second hand car and you telling the seller you are going to make mincemeat of him in the negotiations and that he is a ****!
I think Labour's position on this aligns well with a n awful lot of people. We've seen that a lot of remain voters have come to position of not necessarily agreeing that brexit should be happening but accepting that it will and not fighting it. That doesn't mean however they want this super hard brexit May is selling. The extent to which we leave is a sliding scale and there will be leave voters who aren't keen on May's preferred version either.
Lots of Labour seats voted to leave too so I;m not sure the the leave/remain divide is a clear an indicator who will vote which way this time. And even if there is correlation, that does not necessarily prove causation.
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like and but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
How do you know Polo's (or his family members) job prospects wouldn't be looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours if Labour got in and therefore on balance that amongst other things is why he's chosen to vote as he has?
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
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I started by asking why we are having this election at all, and was treated to a personal rendition of strong and stable government. When he then referred to needing it for the Brexit negotiations I said the EU doesn't give a monkeys whether she has a majority of 9 or 90, it's still the sovereign government with a clear majority. But they started banging on about rebels who would plan to block everything in Parliament.WTF? how can they if they are majority government.
Oh well....off to vote, then...
Too many (again at my work today) have the opinion of: "I cant be bothered because it doesnt impact me"
I'm not sure if the saying or lack of voting is more annoying!
To clarify from all the Canterbury chat further up the thread. My parent's house is in the Rochester and Strood constituency and that's where I chose to vote as it's a bit more of a battle than Canterbury.
Media wins again I suppose.
So the manifesto was crystal clear about the £100k floor level, but made no mention of a cap. Then she added the plan for a consultation on the cap, then she did her trademark...
Her trademark is to lie, but before lying talks about being "clear", then she lies, then she usually repeats the lie.
You can see it here:
"Let's be clear" (1'02") and "Nothing has changed, nothing has changed" (1'30").
What about Tory remainers?
Lots of Labour seats voted to leave too so I;m not sure the the leave/remain divide is a clear an indicator who will vote which way this time. And even if there is correlation, that does not necessarily prove causation.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
But i do think piddles is getting an easy ride make him earn his money I say.
This has been a good thread though it has made me laugh out loud at times.
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
By the way you could well be right.
#justsaying