The question put was why were there 200 pages on this thread, with little support for the Tories and I said I thought some people did not wish to debate with the hysteria on here.
The fact that the right wing press are also hysterical (I agree), is nothing to do with the question asked.
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like and but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
How do you know Polo's (or his family members) job prospects wouldn't be looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours if Labour got in and therefore on balance that amongst other things is why he's chosen to vote as he has?
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
I think it's fairly natural to assume that 99.9% of people are not involved in the international arms trade. I am sure if the prospects were worse, he'd tell us.
I genuinely have been debating (if that's the word) with some real stupid people on Fb who intend voting Tory. Their reasons are dumb as ****. That's not all of them mind.
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like and but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
How do you know Polo's (or his family members) job prospects wouldn't be looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours if Labour got in and therefore on balance that amongst other things is why he's chosen to vote as he has?
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
I think it's fairly natural to assume that 99.9% of people are not involved in the international arms trade. I am sure if the prospects were worse, he'd tell us.
I genuinely have been debating (if that's the word) with some real stupid people on Fb who intend voting Tory. Their reasons are dumb as ****. That's not all of them mind.
I spose the best reason is to not let Corbyn & Co. in.
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like and but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
How do you know Polo's (or his family members) job prospects wouldn't be looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours if Labour got in and therefore on balance that amongst other things is why he's chosen to vote as he has?
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
I think it's fairly natural to assume that 99.9% of people are not involved in the international arms trade. I am sure if the prospects were worse, he'd tell us.
I genuinely have been debating (if that's the word) with some real stupid people on Fb who intend voting Tory. Their reasons are dumb as ****. That's not all of them mind.
I think you are sort of confirming my point, those without your viewpoint must be as dumb as ****.......
Voting to keep the Tories out, wherever you live, is the only sane thing to do. Unless you own a newspaper, they do not represent you.
Good god. I don't think it's as cut and dry as that.
Put yourself in the mind of a humourless zealot.
More personal insults and lies from the right wingers on this forum.
Your definition of right wing probably encompasses quite a wide spectrum. I'd also like to add thin skinned to my insults/insight.
You might remember I voted Tory last election.
You only seem to come into this thread to post personal insults in my direction and not contribute at all. It's very sad, then you throw hissyfits like your above post when called out on it. Certainly not a jolly man in a red shirt, just bitter and obnoxious.
Never in my lifetime have I seen someone so vociferously Tory, do a complete u turn and be so vociferously anti Tory. Presumably you lost a million pounds or sold your newspaper ?
Years ago when I was on strike in the fire brigade and soldiers were brought in as cover the front page of the sun showed a mocked up picture of a fireman in a sleeping bag and a soldier dead in a bodybag. Class real class. I haven't read that piece of shite paper for about 15 years.
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like and but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
How do you know Polo's (or his family members) job prospects wouldn't be looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours if Labour got in and therefore on balance that amongst other things is why he's chosen to vote as he has?
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
I think it's fairly natural to assume that 99.9% of people are not involved in the international arms trade. I am sure if the prospects were worse, he'd tell us.
I genuinely have been debating (if that's the word) with some real stupid people on Fb who intend voting Tory. Their reasons are dumb as ****. That's not all of them mind.
I think you are sort of confirming my point, those without your viewpoint must be as dumb as ****.......
They think that well known pacifist, veggie Corbyn is a terrorist. They think the economy has improved under the Tories. That's not debateable - it's just rubbish.
Brilliant. The Sun is scared of my generation having a voice. Even more incentive to be down the polling station in an hour or so.
I agree that they hold that view and it's disgraceful. However I think that particular thing was framed as a parody and a joke. Certainly wasn't intended to be taken seriously.
The question put was why were there 200 pages on this thread, with little support for the Tories and I said I thought some people did not wish to debate with the hysteria on here.
The fact that the right wing press are also hysterical (I agree), is nothing to do with the question asked.
The question put was why were there 200 pages on this thread, with little support for the Tories and I said I thought some people did not wish to debate with the hysteria on here.
The fact that the right wing press are also hysterical (I agree), is nothing to do with the question asked.
I think your response proved my point.
I visited CharltonLife a grand total of 0 times between April 28th and June 3rd; precisely because of the hysteria and shittiness of a lot of the political debates on here. I usually always had a tab open with CL on it.
I just grew tired of trying to present a coherent argument; nobody was out right offensive, on the contrary I seem to recall finding some decent middle ground and having some really good exchanges with the likes of @Fiiish. Now Twitter, that's where I've had some pretty nasty abuse!
I make @Covered End right though, there's not much Tory support being voiced because it soon becomes a bit a whack-a-mole game where you end up struggling to respond to the volume, and in some cases factual basis, for a lot of the points people are making.
It's a shame, because a proper debate can often bring common ground in to view and provide some perspective. I keep pointing it out, but I generally believe The Shy Tory factor is a real thing.
The question put was why were there 200 pages on this thread, with little support for the Tories and I said I thought some people did not wish to debate with the hysteria on here.
The fact that the right wing press are also hysterical (I agree), is nothing to do with the question asked.
I think your response proved my point.
CL is predominently full of left leaning old queens who love the sound of their own voices?
For those that haven't voted yet; if you are in doubt about the Tories privatising the NHS I've just been victim to it, well not me but my son. The wheelchair services from the hospital has been taken over by a private company and they say that he doesn't fit their criteria and want the chair back that I've had for 5 years. I told them the hospital gave it to me and I will return to them if they ask for it. Just because I needed a repair, this is awful and I'm fuming, I have tried him without the chair numerously and it doesn't work this will mean we can do nothing until I find the money to buy one.
This isn't the only service to be privatised and very soon it will be everything, if you haven't voted yet please go and vote Labour, go and save our NHS. PLEASE!
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like and but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
How do you know Polo's (or his family members) job prospects wouldn't be looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours if Labour got in and therefore on balance that amongst other things is why he's chosen to vote as he has?
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
I think it's fairly natural to assume that 99.9% of people are not involved in the international arms trade. I am sure if the prospects were worse, he'd tell us.
I genuinely have been debating (if that's the word) with some real stupid people on Fb who intend voting Tory. Their reasons are dumb as ****. That's not all of them mind.
I think you are sort of confirming my point, those without your viewpoint must be as dumb as ****.......
They think that well known pacifist, veggie Corbyn is a terrorist. They think the economy has improved under the Tories. That's not debateable - it's just rubbish.
I usually watch elections avidly but not this time.
Think I may stay up just to check in on here and watch the place go in to meltdown IF a Tory win is looking likely. Won't need booze to keep me up, the comments should keep me chuckling throughout.
Seriously. Clearly this stuff doesn't really matter much to you othewise you wouldn't post silly, provocative comments like that. But as someone directly effected by the process, who is seeing first hand the dismantling of our public sector, I fail to see anything to be glib about. Perhaps you could have a "chuckle" about the possible consequences outlined in @AddickUpNorth 's post about the increased risk to prison officers, because I can't see anything to laugh about in it?
Its actually my first time voting and I have a reason to do so, and it'll be a Tory vote because my family and I will be better off for it.
It's not those comments I laugh at. More the sweeping generalisations grown men and women will be making about people who voted for the Tories. I've seen all sorts of assumptions made about the type of voter they are on here (none of which I fall into) and it makes me laugh. I just imagine this is happening at the other end.
Sorry but that's nonsense. As someone whose job prospects are looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours shouldn't I be allowed to be angry at the situation I find myself in through no fault of my own? Shouldn't @AddickUpNorth be able to have a rant at the increasingly difficult situation he and his colleagues find themselves in? The fact is many of us directly involved in the public sector have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory.
You can choose to ignore those warnings if you like and but you will not be able to ignore the effects. Whether that's increased waiting time in A&E, a worse care package for a relative, less classroom assistants for your kids or something as seemingly trivial as getting your rubbish collected only every three weeks (coming to your area soon btw!) these cuts will 100% effect you or your family in some way.
You might have voted to become "better off" financially, that's open to debate tbh, but if anyone thinks our public services, armed forces, NHS, railways, roads, etc, etc. will be in a better place in 2022 than even now, frankly prepare to be very disappointed...
How do you know Polo's (or his family members) job prospects wouldn't be looking decidedly worse in the next 24 hours if Labour got in and therefore on balance that amongst other things is why he's chosen to vote as he has?
Part of the problem with Politics is we all think we are right, much like the politicians themselves, you wrote '....have been trying to enlighten you and others as to the reality of what's happened already and will continue to happen at a faster rate due to your voting choice if it's Tory'
You seem to think that anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view. That's part of the problem with Politics these days, most MP's seem to think the electorate (and other MP's/Parties with opposing views) are idiots.......
I think it's fairly natural to assume that 99.9% of people are not involved in the international arms trade. I am sure if the prospects were worse, he'd tell us.
I genuinely have been debating (if that's the word) with some real stupid people on Fb who intend voting Tory. Their reasons are dumb as ****. That's not all of them mind.
I think you are sort of confirming my point, those without your viewpoint must be as dumb as ****.......
They think that well known pacifist, veggie Corbyn is a terrorist. They think the economy has improved under the Tories. That's not debateable - it's just rubbish.
Is he a veggie?
Makes him even more worthy of running the country in my eyes. Vegan would be better.
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The fact that the right wing press are also hysterical (I agree), is nothing to do with the question asked.
I think your response proved my point.
I genuinely have been debating (if that's the word) with some real stupid people on Fb who intend voting Tory. Their reasons are dumb as ****. That's not all of them mind.
Can't argue with Stephen Hawking...
"Vote tactical"
I stand apart from the rest of most people on national security and a number of issues suggest I should vote sinn Fein.
http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz?from=PcSGsVPwD
Class real class.
I haven't read that piece of shite paper for about 15 years.
I just grew tired of trying to present a coherent argument; nobody was out right offensive, on the contrary I seem to recall finding some decent middle ground and having some really good exchanges with the likes of @Fiiish. Now Twitter, that's where I've had some pretty nasty abuse!
I make @Covered End right though, there's not much Tory support being voiced because it soon becomes a bit a whack-a-mole game where you end up struggling to respond to the volume, and in some cases factual basis, for a lot of the points people are making.
It's a shame, because a proper debate can often bring common ground in to view and provide some perspective. I keep pointing it out, but I generally believe The Shy Tory factor is a real thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/07/stephen-hawking-jeremy-corbyn-disastrous-labour-resign
There are many things I can't always understand about my fellow brits, but why that filthy rag is still the best selling newspaper is right up there.
This isn't the only service to be privatised and very soon it will be everything, if you haven't voted yet please go and vote Labour, go and save our NHS. PLEASE!
Can't we open one on the German election or something?
Makes him even more worthy of running the country in my eyes. Vegan would be better.