I do not think it is meant to build bridges. It is supposed to celebrate 25 years since our return. It will not and is not changing people's mind, it is however a decent thing to do.
Exactly, it's typical that this has now turned into a pro / anti regime thread. To celebrate the 25th aniversary they have packaged the season tickets in a presentation box with a scarf and a few odds & ends. Just see it for what it is and not as some sort of subliminal brain washing campaign.
Why would they be doing this then, when they publicly stated that history is not important?
I think someone in the marketing department had an idea that to celebrate the 25th aniversary it might be nice to send the season tickets out with some comemorative memorabilia. Why do you think they did it?
My experience of marketing departments, is that they do things for reasons other than because, "it's nice". When they start doing things just to be nice, I'm sure they'll get renamed benevolent departments or something similar.
I wan't to challenge very strongly the idea that it's "a nice gesture". It isn't a nice gesture at all, it's a PR stunt. They are trying to bolster their damaged reputation by buying people off: Season ticket holders, who they know will be softer targets than lapsed attendees. This is the regime that has torn our club apart. They traded decent players for useless wannabes. They lied to fans. They drove people away. What they are doing now is the equivalent of giving your loved one a bunch of flowers after you've cheated on them. It stinks. It's just a manipulative ploy to try and fool people. And all for what? The cost of a scarf and a calendar, well whoopee do.
For those who think it's about building bridges, here's an idea. If they want to build bridges they should start by apologising. They should then produce a list of errors and formulate plans to ensure that they do not repeat them. They will not do that, because they are in denial about whose fault this mess is.
And as for all this Back the The Valley nonsense, it's sickening. They are not interested in that at all. We have an owner who has stated that competitive football is not important and a CEO who has said she does not care for the history of the club. They are piggy packing on this anniversary to try and gain brownie points. As @charltonkeston so eloquently put it, the PR company "are using some of my [our] best memories and associating them with the current vermin". Wake up, people. How many extra chances do this lot need?
But Stig, I think you're missing the point. It comes in a nice red box! - Oh alright then, I take it back they must be genuinely decent people who have learnt the error of their ways and are committed to change. Viva Duchatelet. Viva Meire. Viva The Regime.
Stig who are they trying to buy off though. Those that renewed didn't know they were going to recieve this presentation box, maybe a couple of dozen might buy a season ticket because of the box but I doubt it and those not buying a season won't buy a season ticket. My opinion is all the while they are in charge whether for the right or wrong reasons I'll be thinking what are they up to.
@clb74 I don't think it's about sales, it's about face. By giving something to season ticket holders, they are helping to give a voice to those who take a softer view of the regime. Thereby making it more difficult for the anti-regimers to organise against them. Looking at the responses to it on here, I'd say the PR guys have played a blinder.
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I'm not boycotting myself but pre-season isn't the time when anyone is going to back down. Why would they? Pre-season signings, performances and results don't prove anything either way. I'm sure you won't be changing your opinion if we have a bad start.
Of those boycotting there may be some that would come back, but I expect at the very least they'd want to see evidence that things are changing through results on the pitch.
Every previous summer under RD we've made on paper several good signings and let go of players we don't need. That's nothing new.
Robinson survived a bad run last season so there's one sign we might finally stop going through 2/3 managers a season. Will he survive if he goes on another bad run?
Charlton fans in general are patient and realistic, CARD was formed two years after RD bought the club. If a new owner came in protests simply wouldn't get the support needed as the majority would want them given time.
I'm expecting us to do better than last season but the main reason I can see some fans are so sure we'll win promotion is because that's what football fans across the country are like at this time of year. New signings and a new season brings new hope.
On the other clubs good support didn't stop them being relegated 2 or 3 times in some cases and as much as passionate support in the stands is a positive thing it would have been low down on the list for reasons why things turned around. It can never do it on its own.
The evidence to some that RD and KM are no good for the club was based on several transfer windows, managerial appointments and results over a reasonable period of time.
Does it not seem fair to want to see improvements in those areas over longer than one transfer window and a single pre-season?
It's a shame, Most on here and elsewhere probably are anti regime, but the fucking paranoia generated by the most benign decisions taken by the club is creating such a poisonous atmospher among fans that I honestly don't see it improving that much even after they've gone.
@clb74 I don't think it's about sales, it's about face. By giving something to season ticket holders, they are helping to give a voice to those who take a softer view of the regime. Thereby making it more difficult for the anti-regimers to organise against them. Looking at the responses to it on here, I'd say the PR guys have played a blinder.
Or they are beginning a season of celebrating a return to the Valley....
Apologies for being annoyed at some having a jossle over a fancy box ( for the record not people on here the Facebook group ) the man has taken us from a stable championship club to a average joe league 1 side, we will be lucky to scrape playoffs, but of course I'm not a charlton fan and only want the club to fail and should praise them for it.
25 years - of course remember it, but I'm not going to praise them, I would rather be in the championship as a stable club instead of where we are now with an exclusive Hummel kit - if I'm wrong and they have changed then I'll scoff humble pie, personally I think I'll be going hungry.
One season in the championship after being promot d,from league one after being down there for three seasons in of which one of those we finished in our lowest position ever does not make us a "stable club" does it? Under the tenure of Jeminez and Slater can you remember the pitch in which we played on and the firce criticism it came under especially the adandonmemt of the match in August due to a waterlogged pitch? Everything costs money as well as time, there are clubs in the championship and yes I can comment about this as I work within the game and am aware how long decisions can take to be made within football, you think you are there with a deal and drags for weeks if not months, then you think it is a dead deal for it all to be resurrected and done in twenty four hours. There are clubs that at this moment in time all appears to be going wonderfully well on the outside however when you get inside the club itself the ownership is awful, staff unhappy, things are being scrapped in which there is no future for the club however we are the complete opposite and we should be positive about our future as it looks a lot brighter than most clubs including those above us and we are the envy of many in terms of facilities and wages in which we spend.
Whilst I would question your pronouncement that our club is "the complete opposite" of others seemingly well run, even successful , I would be going over old ground , albeit waterlogged or, as in SE7 last season, frozen, so I'll merely ask you one thing.
Let's suppose you could ask a selection of supporters, across the board, from the other 91 clubs to describe Charlton Athletic FC, in one short phrase, as they currently view our club, what do you think would be the overall perception ?
"Well respected" ? " Family friendly" ? " Well run" ? " Successful" ?
Or maybe "the complete opposite" ?
Point taken, however would you not agree that the likes of Portsmouth, Newcastle, Leeds, plus many more have had shall we say controversial owners but the fans have still stuck by their teams, if you then draw a parallel to Aston Villa, Leyton Orient, Blackpool, Coventry, Blackburn and ourselves in the way our fans have reacted by the protesting of the board and staying away rather than supporting the team I think there is an argument there to support the team rather than rip it apart.
"Hundreds of angry Portsmouth supporters demonstrated yesterday before their side faced Sunderland in the FA Cup at Fratton Park. They blocked the main entrance into the director’s lounge, and called for the resignation of the rock-bottom club’s owners. Police and stewards were forced to erect a barrier around the main entrance.
Chief executive Peter Storrie did come out to collect a petition from the supporters and attempted to reason with them. But they soon turned on him and unleashed a torrent of abuse in his direction.
During Pompey’s 2-1 victory some home fans invaded the pitch. They confronted Pompey players and appeared to be trying to get to the area in front of the directors’ box."
"Leeds United fans plan to march in protest against the club owner Massimo Cellino through the city centre streets before Saturday’s home Championship game against Reading.
The fans’ group Time To Go Massimo will join other supporters opposed to the Italian’s ownership of the club at Leeds City Square before embarking on a march to Elland Road."
"A protest group is urging Newcastle fans to refuse to leave St James’ Park on Sunday one month after asking them to stay away.
The Ashley Out protest group has unveiled plans for a sit-in protest at St James’ following the final whistle on Sunday, writes Will Metcalfe in the Newcastle Chronicle.
Newcastle will take on West Ham in a game that could see them relegated for the second time in Mike Ashley’s tenure should Hull City beat Manchester United and the Magpies lose to West Ham.
The protest is the latest measure from the anonymous group which hopes to see Mr Ashley sell the club."
I guess it's a chicken & egg kind of question: what came first?
a. the toxic regime either left or had a complete strategic overhaul then the fans came back b. the fans started to support the toxic regime and things magically got better
Be interesting to see how many of the supporters boycotted matches, didn't buy season tickets, wore different colour scarfs, or did they still continue to support their teams in their numbers as well as vocally?
For the hundred trillionth time supporting the team and protesting are not mutually exclusive. You are deluded if you think that the protesters do not support the team and do so vocally. This is backed up by the fact that many regulars have repeatedly said that the atmosphere (in support of the team) has been much better on protest days than non. My own experiences back this up. In fact the evidence suggests that the non protesters are the ones that don't vocally support the team, they are the ones happy to sit through any shit thrown at them and happily clap.
@clb74 I don't think it's about sales, it's about face. By giving something to season ticket holders, they are helping to give a voice to those who take a softer view of the regime. Thereby making it more difficult for the anti-regimers to organise against them. Looking at the responses to it on here, I'd say the PR guys have played a blinder.
Or they are beginning a season of celebrating a return to the Valley....
Firstly no such number as hundred trillionth. Secondly, I am not deluded, it's more of a case that you are very bitter and do not and will not acknowledge orpther fans views and simply shoot them down. Thirdly who states that the atmospheres are better, CARD, no one else. Finally you have the audacity to call other fans happy clap and have shit thrown at them. Well after making that statement if confirms that you are bitter and go to games for the wrong reasons to protest and not support the team.
I do not think it is meant to build bridges. It is supposed to celebrate 25 years since our return. It will not and is not changing people's mind, it is however a decent thing to do.
Exactly, it's typical that this has now turned into a pro / anti regime thread. To celebrate the 25th aniversary they have packaged the season tickets in a presentation box with a scarf and a few odds & ends. Just see it for what it is and not as some sort of subliminal brain washing campaign.
Why would they be doing this then, when they publicly stated that history is not important?
I think someone in the marketing department had an idea that to celebrate the 25th aniversary it might be nice to send the season tickets out with some comemorative memorabilia. Why do you think they did it?
I think it's more likely that it was someone in Hummel's marketing department that had the bright idea...
Firstly no such number as hundred trillionth. Secondly, I am not deluded, it's more of a case that you are very bitter and do not and will not acknowledge orpther fans views and simply shoot them down. Thirdly who states that the atmospheres are better, CARD, no one else. Finally you have the audacity to call other fans happy clap and have shit thrown at them. Well after making that statement if confirms that you are bitter and go to games for the wrong reasons to protest and not support the team.
I am not bitter. I debate with fans of all views and take their views on board. I will however dispute facts. It is a fact that protesters support the team and to claim otherwise is ridiculous. I have said so, from my own personal experience. I went to plenty of games last year and can confirm that the atmosphere at protest games was a million times better than that of non protest games(other than the scumwall game). I think that's because the most passionate support have been driven away. This voew has been repeated by many others here and on other social media platforms. I am in no way bitter. I go to games to support the team but if possible also get my message across that I do not support the regime. I stand by the statement that we have plenty of fans that are happy to have shit thrown at them (metaphorically) by the regime and are happy to sit there and clap their way through it. These people show far less passionate or vocal support for the team that myself and all the other protesters I know.
I have just read this whole thread in one go and its so sad because I agree with both sides of an argument that has started. The board has made true Charlton fans feel like this. At the moment I feel really positive about next season but I'm also very realistic to know not to get too carried away as based on past evidence that optimism can change very very quickly
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
I have just read this whole thread in one go and its so sad because I agree with both sides of an argument that has started. The board has made true Charlton fans feel like this. At the moment I feel really positive about next season but I'm also very realistic to know not to get too carried away as based on past evidence that optimism can change very very quickly
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
See this is the perfect example of people turning against each other. No matter what your opinion there are certain real Charlton fans who have different opinions. No one is right no one is wrong but turning against each other is not the answer
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
Eh? Is this aimed at me or is it just completely random?
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
Eh? Is this aimed at me or is it just completely random?
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
Funny that I never mentioned you. I know exactly whom one of the people are.
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
Eh? Is this aimed at me or is it just completely random?
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
Funny that I never mentioned you. I know exactly whom one of the people are.
That's why I asked. Was a bit confused as we'd just been debating a point. Wasn't sure if you thought this was connected.
If you know who they are speak to them. No point in cryptic messages no one gets.
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
Eh? Is this aimed at me or is it just completely random?
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
Funny that I never mentioned you. I know exactly whom one of the people are.
So either tell or dont comment and cause more rows?
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
Eh? Is this aimed at me or is it just completely random?
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
Funny that I never mentioned you. I know exactly whom one of the people are.
So either tell or dont comment and cause more rows?
They will know who they are when they read this. You don't bring my son into things .
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
Eh? Is this aimed at me or is it just completely random?
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
Funny that I never mentioned you. I know exactly whom one of the people are.
So either tell or dont comment and cause more rows?
They will know who they are when they read this. You don't bring my son into things .
Totally agree. Charlton fans are so divided at the moment its seriously worrying
I do not think it is meant to build bridges. It is supposed to celebrate 25 years since our return. It will not and is not changing people's mind, it is however a decent thing to do.
Exactly, it's typical that this has now turned into a pro / anti regime thread. To celebrate the 25th aniversary they have packaged the season tickets in a presentation box with a scarf and a few odds & ends. Just see it for what it is and not as some sort of subliminal brain washing campaign.
Why would they be doing this then, when they publicly stated that history is not important?
I think someone in the marketing department had an idea that to celebrate the 25th aniversary it might be nice to send the season tickets out with some comemorative memorabilia. Why do you think they did it?
I think it's more likely that it was someone in Hummel's marketing department that had the bright idea...
Well I didn't specify which marketing department (if that's where it was from). But if it was from Hummel there's even less reason to get upset about it. I really do hope the club don't make a serious go at promotion this season, they'll only be doing it to get back at the boycotters and keep the season ticket holders on side.
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
Eh? Is this aimed at me or is it just completely random?
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
Funny that I never mentioned you. I know exactly whom one of the people are.
So either tell or dont comment and cause more rows?
They will know who they are when they read this. You don't bring my son into things .
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
I this evening on social media have had my 11 year old son brought into an argument as well as my wife slagged off from a member of CARD. The same person has also made a statement that would have come from one of only two people. You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped. One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
WIWALB, you've got history about this sort of thing haven't you, you've got form. Your `argument' in public starts to turn against you and you revert to nameless, foundationless and unsubstantiated `attacks' from other social media outlets. Stop all the innuendo nonsense and either put up or shut up.
You claim someone has `attacked' and `brought into an argument' your 11 year old son...on an external platform from this forum. So what the fuck has it got to do with this forum? Sod `its the same people' shit whilst virtually pointing at people. Thats a bollox argument and you know it. And if you INSIST on bringing it up on this forum, to try and drag this forum by de facto into it, have the fucking balls to name and quote what your grievances are about.
My guess is that you're not prepared to do that though.....which speaks volumes....because you've got nothing.
You've done this time and time and time again on this forum haven't you.....and you never learn.
If the club wish to spend money on gift ideas whilst sending out the season tickets, then fine. Personally putting a season ticket in a brown envelope with a second class stamp on it, and a thank you letter inside would have sufficed.
There are times a plenty to have a go at our owners, I just don't think the season ticket box is one of them
Agreed, it's sour grapes when the moaner is somebody that didn't get a box and it must be music to the ears of the SMT. Definitely an own goal to moan about these boxes if you are clearly anti-regime because it makes you look petty.
And if by some chance there is season ticket holder that did receive one that is also moaning about it then the simple answer is for them to send it back.
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Those that renewed didn't know they were going to recieve this presentation box, maybe a couple of dozen might buy a season ticket because of the box but I doubt it and those not buying a season won't buy a season ticket.
My opinion is all the while they are in charge whether for the right or wrong reasons I'll be thinking what are they up to.
Of those boycotting there may be some that would come back, but I expect at the very least they'd want to see evidence that things are changing through results on the pitch.
Every previous summer under RD we've made on paper several good signings and let go of players we don't need. That's nothing new.
Robinson survived a bad run last season so there's one sign we might finally stop going through 2/3 managers a season. Will he survive if he goes on another bad run?
Charlton fans in general are patient and realistic, CARD was formed two years after RD bought the club. If a new owner came in protests simply wouldn't get the support needed as the majority would want them given time.
I'm expecting us to do better than last season but the main reason I can see some fans are so sure we'll win promotion is because that's what football fans across the country are like at this time of year. New signings and a new season brings new hope.
On the other clubs good support didn't stop them being relegated 2 or 3 times in some cases and as much as passionate support in the stands is a positive thing it would have been low down on the list for reasons why things turned around. It can never do it on its own.
The evidence to some that RD and KM are no good for the club was based on several transfer windows, managerial appointments and results over a reasonable period of time.
Does it not seem fair to want to see improvements in those areas over longer than one transfer window and a single pre-season?
Secondly, I am not deluded, it's more of a case that you are very bitter and do not and will not acknowledge orpther fans views and simply shoot them down.
Thirdly who states that the atmospheres are better, CARD, no one else.
Finally you have the audacity to call other fans happy clap and have shit thrown at them. Well after making that statement if confirms that you are bitter and go to games for the wrong reasons to protest and not support the team.
I have said so, from my own personal experience. I went to plenty of games last year and can confirm that the atmosphere at protest games was a million times better than that of non protest games(other than the scumwall game). I think that's because the most passionate support have been driven away. This voew has been repeated by many others here and on other social media platforms.
I am in no way bitter. I go to games to support the team but if possible also get my message across that I do not support the regime. I stand by the statement that we have plenty of fans that are happy to have shit thrown at them (metaphorically) by the regime and are happy to sit there and clap their way through it. These people show far less passionate or vocal support for the team that myself and all the other protesters I know.
You both know who you are and the person that you have told in confidence has brought my young son into the argument which shows how low you have dropped.
One of which is a friend of this said person on social media so all fingers point to you.
I don't have a clue what you're on about. There's no point putting it on here if you're gonna be cryptic. Either post in full or speak to those involved privately. All a bit unique.
If you know who they are speak to them. No point in cryptic messages no one gets.
I really do hope the club don't make a serious go at promotion this season, they'll only be doing it to get back at the boycotters and keep the season ticket holders on side.
You claim someone has `attacked' and `brought into an argument' your 11 year old son...on an external platform from this forum. So what the fuck has it got to do with this forum? Sod `its the same people' shit whilst virtually pointing at people. Thats a bollox argument and you know it. And if you INSIST on bringing it up on this forum, to try and drag this forum by de facto into it, have the fucking balls to name and quote what your grievances are about.
My guess is that you're not prepared to do that though.....which speaks volumes....because you've got nothing.
You've done this time and time and time again on this forum haven't you.....and you never learn.
And if by some chance there is season ticket holder that did receive one that is also moaning about it then the simple answer is for them to send it back.