No doubt that tosser Rubbershoes is on the PR case. Odious little c**t.
To be fair, Rubbershoes is an okay guy, he was in the Valley Cafe same time as me this afternoon and he was very polite and courteous to an old Peterboro fan who was giving him shit about not getting a bonus(without knowing who he was (he was wearing tie and blazer badge combo) or that he was probably typing up Roland’s bullshit reply on his phone whilst eating his greasy lunch)
If he's an "okay guy" he should fuck right off and work for someone reputable, not a prick like twoshits.
Easy tiger, I’m sure he has bills to pay like the rest of us
Excuse doeant wash with Rubbershoe I'm afraid. He had a period at the club as a contractor working for Pitch PR. He had time at the club to see what it would be like. In that time he was involved in spinning stories to portray the fans badly and protect Katriens image. In my mind that is fair warning of what the club is like. He didn't have to come on board permanently. He chose to. Since then he has been involved in attacking fans and more lies/spin. All by choice.
The man is poison in my view and needs to go when RD goes.
by staff do you include Burger Boy ?? why help that turd
Won’t just be those who went to the police to target supporters, I assume it will also potentially include those who were willingly were monitoring here, tracking posts, cutting and pasting posts in order to collate and provide (attempted) evidence, targeted filming of individuals during protests, stuck up police warnings on big screens at key moments, publicly defended regime and lambasted supporters, tried to force supporters into signing behavioural contracts, pumped up music in the car park to try and dilute protests, spinning cutbacks as environmental conscience etc.
Be very clear on who and what you are supporting would be my view
Depends on what you mean by willingly. It's not easy to take a principled stand against your boss's direction when your job would be at risk.
We have a choice between throwing everyone under a bus for the sake of some bad apples, or accepting that we might be benefitting the latter minority by doing, what in my view, is the right thing by the rest of the staff.
I'd rather stand in the latter tent than the first, to be frank. They're mostly good people doing their best for the club whilst a reckless few exercise their foolish war against their own 'customers'.
I'm quite clear on who I'm supporting, even if the pieman and the prman benefit.
by staff do you include Burger Boy ?? why help that turd
Won’t just be those who went to the police to target supporters, I assume it will also potentially include those who were willingly were monitoring here, tracking posts, cutting and pasting posts in order to collate and provide (attempted) evidence, targeted filming of individuals during protests, stuck up police warnings on big screens at key moments, publicly defended regime and lambasted supporters, tried to force supporters into signing behavioural contracts, pumped up music in the car park to try and dilute protests, spinning cutbacks as environmental conscience etc.
Be very clear on who and what you are supporting would be my view
by staff do you include Burger Boy ?? why help that turd
Won’t just be those who went to the police to target supporters, I assume it will also potentially include those who were willingly were monitoring here, tracking posts, cutting and pasting posts in order to collate and provide (attempted) evidence, targeted filming of individuals during protests, stuck up police warnings on big screens at key moments, publicly defended regime and lambasted supporters, tried to force supporters into signing behavioural contracts, pumped up music in the car park to try and dilute protests, spinning cutbacks as environmental conscience etc.
Be very clear on who and what you are supporting would be my view
This is the guy who filmed protesting fans at Sparrows Lane and at The Valley, right? I’m not saying he had a choice but seems a bit odd if he’s excluded from your criticism above.
Surely it’s about the principle of the club cheating junior staff, not selective judgement?
by staff do you include Burger Boy ?? why help that turd
Won’t just be those who went to the police to target supporters, I assume it will also potentially include those who were willingly were monitoring here, tracking posts, cutting and pasting posts in order to collate and provide (attempted) evidence, targeted filming of individuals during protests, stuck up police warnings on big screens at key moments, publicly defended regime and lambasted supporters, tried to force supporters into signing behavioural contracts, pumped up music in the car park to try and dilute protests, spinning cutbacks as environmental conscience etc.
Be very clear on who and what you are supporting would be my view
This is the guy who filmed protesting fans at Sparrows Lane and at The Valley, right? I’m not saying he had a choice but seems a bit odd if he’s excluded from your criticism above.
Surely it’s about the principle of the club cheating junior staff, not selective judgement?
All staff are equal but some staff are more equal than others
by staff do you include Burger Boy ?? why help that turd
Won’t just be those who went to the police to target supporters, I assume it will also potentially include those who were willingly were monitoring here, tracking posts, cutting and pasting posts in order to collate and provide (attempted) evidence, targeted filming of individuals during protests, stuck up police warnings on big screens at key moments, publicly defended regime and lambasted supporters, tried to force supporters into signing behavioural contracts, pumped up music in the car park to try and dilute protests, spinning cutbacks as environmental conscience etc.
Be very clear on who and what you are supporting would be my view
This is the guy who filmed protesting fans at Sparrows Lane and at The Valley, right? I’m not saying he had a choice but seems a bit odd if he’s excluded from your criticism above.
Surely it’s about the principle of the club cheating junior staff, not selective judgement?
If you are focusing on junior staff, aren’t you equally applying selective judgement?
No one is doubting that any of this is wrong, but that wasn’t the basis of my post.
by staff do you include Burger Boy ?? why help that turd
Won’t just be those who went to the police to target supporters, I assume it will also potentially include those who were willingly were monitoring here, tracking posts, cutting and pasting posts in order to collate and provide (attempted) evidence, targeted filming of individuals during protests, stuck up police warnings on big screens at key moments, publicly defended regime and lambasted supporters, tried to force supporters into signing behavioural contracts, pumped up music in the car park to try and dilute protests, spinning cutbacks as environmental conscience etc.
Be very clear on who and what you are supporting would be my view
This is the guy who filmed protesting fans at Sparrows Lane and at The Valley, right? I’m not saying he had a choice but seems a bit odd if he’s excluded from your criticism above.
Surely it’s about the principle of the club cheating junior staff, not selective judgement?
If you are focusing on junior staff, aren’t you equally applying selective judgement?
No one is doubting that any of this is wrong, but that wasn’t the basis of my post.
Unfortunately taking the moral high ground sometimes means helping those who have been actively trying to undermine you. In the scheme of things, in this instance, a price worth paying I think. And then call them out again and again if they don't show any gratitude.
Confused by the wording. Are these bonuses CONTRACTUAL or not as he says that "the club will continue to fulfil contractual obligations" but that it won't be paying "incentivised bonuses"
Either the bonuses are contractual (i.e. they have to be paid) or they're based on performance (whether individual or the club) in which case it's possible that the club has no obligation to pay them?
Incentivised bonuses have to be paid unless agreed upon prior to them being due, if they have been agreed in writing surely. People will have worked longer hours for free to trigger these payments, only to be screwed over.
The club has no clue what is going on.
But all this proves that the boycott and not a penny more stance is having a very big effect on the club, shame it is the staff that are now suffering.
No one would deliberately use the term "incentivised bonuses" unless they were wanting to obfuscate. You can't "incentivise" a bonus, you can only incentivise staff. Why not say this year's "discretionary" bonus is zero, that would be 100% clear.
Bonuses are either contractually pre-fixed or contractually discretionary. Either can be based on performance targets set by management to "incentivise" staff to perform.
Sounds more like "....the club will not be paying the bonus you were advised of in order to incentivise you to work towards minimising my losses..." but couldn't find the words.
The key sentence he missed out was: "This utter fucking mess is due to my pathetic football experiments over the last four and half years, using this club as part of it and that is why, if we are not promoted this season, Charlton will have been at it's consistently longest lowest position since the twenties, I am so sorry for this! Roland
Quite unbelievable really, he's pissed off the fans and relied upon staff to stick up for him and his idiotic running of the club and now he sticks it to them. He really is a prick. I hope they all go on strike and stop a game from going ahead, he will be well and truly fucked by that.
I still remember Katie saying how matchday revenue was only 35% of total income and therefore not that important. A breathtaking display of financial ignorance, and I'm sure an intentional belittling of fans' place in the scheme of things. Bet you'd like that lost income back now, wouldn't you, Roland, you stupid prick.
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The man is poison in my view and needs to go when RD goes.
We have a choice between throwing everyone under a bus for the sake of some bad apples, or accepting that we might be benefitting the latter minority by doing, what in my view, is the right thing by the rest of the staff.
I'd rather stand in the latter tent than the first, to be frank. They're mostly good people doing their best for the club whilst a reckless few exercise their foolish war against their own 'customers'.
I'm quite clear on who I'm supporting, even if the pieman and the prman benefit.
Surely it’s about the principle of the club cheating junior staff, not selective judgement?
No one is doubting that any of this is wrong, but that wasn’t the basis of my post.
In the scheme of things, in this instance, a price worth paying I think.
And then call them out again and again if they don't show any gratitude.
I hope they all walk, terrible.
"The club had a very bad financial year last season and because of this the club will not be paying incentivised bonuses"
Just wondering if anyone will be there tonight to let me into the fans forum......
Last one out turn off the lights (oh hold on...... they are already turned off)
Either the bonuses are contractual (i.e. they have to be paid) or they're based on performance (whether individual or the club) in which case it's possible that the club has no obligation to pay them?
Staff are going to release their own statement for those who dont have Twitter access
The club has no clue what is going on.
But all this proves that the boycott and not a penny more stance is having a very big effect on the club, shame it is the staff that are now suffering.
JUST SELL AND GO, this isn't fun for any of us.
Bonuses are either contractually pre-fixed or contractually discretionary. Either can be based on performance targets set by management to "incentivise" staff to perform.
Sounds more like "....the club will not be paying the bonus you were advised of in order to incentivise you to work towards minimising my losses..." but couldn't find the words.
Bit of a pisstake coming from the person who's been running it into the ground for the past 4 and a half years.
Murray sitting back whilst RD shits on people’s livelihoods, many of whom will struggle without such bonus, is absolutely vile.
Roland
Bet you'd like that lost income back now, wouldn't you, Roland, you stupid prick.
You bought a CHAMPIONSHIP club and fucked it up.
EPIC FAIL!