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CAFC staff threaten to sue Duchatelet over unpaid bonuses

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  • It’s not just Duchatelet though is it?

    These company decisions are taken at Board level and Duchatelet is not the only director on the Board.

    It is a reasonable question to ask of Murray. He will say it’s not his decision or money but as a director he is responsible if the company acts unlawfully. If he doesn’t approve he should resign.
    Not much chance of that, he wouldn't know what to do with himself on Saturday afternoon's.
  • It’s not just Duchatelet though is it?

    These company decisions are taken at Board level and Duchatelet is not the only director on the Board.

    It is a reasonable question to ask of Murray. He will say it’s not his decision or money but as a director he is responsible if the company acts unlawfully. If he doesn’t approve he should resign.
    Good luck with that one
  • Though it’s in a national (wider awareness / bigger negative publicity), I’m not see anything here that could not have been assumed a couple of weeks ago.

    Would be interested to know if this is an across the board scheme, or individually tailored?, and if the latter how many have been impacted?.

    Were similar incentives applied in the previous Duchatelet years or is this something different for this year, which now seems to have been reneged on? And if so, is it LDT carrying this decision making / message giving, or someone else?

    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    At the risk of antagonising @bobmunro when push comes to shove HR will always favour the employer rather than the employee unless the wrong is so unambiguous there is effectively no dispute.

    HR exists to protect the employer not the employee.

    The employees need someone independent.
  • edited August 2018



    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    Good point about our HR manager who is also Director of Women in Football

    "a highly motivated dedicated and hardworking HR professional, working within a HR department, that strives to engage reward and retain it's diverse workforce"

    This is going well then!
  • It’s not just Duchatelet though is it?

    These company decisions are taken at Board level and Duchatelet is not the only director on the Board.

    It is a reasonable question to ask of Murray. He will say it’s not his decision or money but as a director he is responsible if the company acts unlawfully. If he doesn’t approve he should resign.
    If Murray was going to resign he would have resigned by now.
  • edited August 2018

    Have they gone to their unions with this?

    Quotes from disgruntled staff would have given this more credence.

    Then they’d be ex-staff pretty quickly.
    Ok. An independent disgruntled staff representative. I.e a union rep.
    The staff aren’t unionised.
    We have freedom of association do we not?
    The defrauded individuals would be better served seeking informed advice and assistance to raise a specific grievance on the simple breach of contract, than airing this through a gutter dwelling tabloid rag. CAB maybe a place to start. Lawyers are permitted now to offer no win no fee.
    If collectively they are owed more than £1500 they could petition to have the company wound up. Which would be sobering even for a twunt like roly
  • This is kind of fresh news, but it will be dragged out, obfuscated, watered down and explained away.
    It needs something like incontrovertible proof, combined with demonstrable business custom and practice to have an impact.
    I imagine that Eddie Stobart Van and Truck For Hire is probably a sweet and charming fellow off duty, but he reports for work today, and it is Fans Forum tomorrow. I would like somebody to record that meeting, and for him to be cut no slack whatsoever, if he spends the time bouncing everything to Duchatelet then fine, he is a robotic underling and we are well used to that by now.
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  • johnny73 said:

    Would be nice to have a bit more info without giving away individual names. How many staff are not receiving bonuses? What were the targets?

    Believe it’s up to 20, based on what I heard. Very rough estimate of cost would be £50k-£60k.
    that's 2k-3k each on average. Which is a lot of money for us "ordinary" folk.
  • Be nice if our old ‘friend’ Jim White could ring him up and ask him on-air this morning wouldn’t it....
  • Back to the story
  • LenGlover said:

    Though it’s in a national (wider awareness / bigger negative publicity), I’m not see anything here that could not have been assumed a couple of weeks ago.

    Would be interested to know if this is an across the board scheme, or individually tailored?, and if the latter how many have been impacted?.

    Were similar incentives applied in the previous Duchatelet years or is this something different for this year, which now seems to have been reneged on? And if so, is it LDT carrying this decision making / message giving, or someone else?

    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    At the risk of antagonising @bobmunro when push comes to shove HR will always favour the employer rather than the employee unless the wrong is so unambiguous there is effectively no dispute.

    HR exists to protect the employer not the employee.

    The employees need someone independent.
    Doesn't antagonise me at all, Len.

    There is a misconception amongst a lot of employees that HR are there to act as their advocate when the truth is that people who work in HR are there to both represent and protect the Company.
  • bobmunro said:

    LenGlover said:

    Though it’s in a national (wider awareness / bigger negative publicity), I’m not see anything here that could not have been assumed a couple of weeks ago.

    Would be interested to know if this is an across the board scheme, or individually tailored?, and if the latter how many have been impacted?.

    Were similar incentives applied in the previous Duchatelet years or is this something different for this year, which now seems to have been reneged on? And if so, is it LDT carrying this decision making / message giving, or someone else?

    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    At the risk of antagonising @bobmunro when push comes to shove HR will always favour the employer rather than the employee unless the wrong is so unambiguous there is effectively no dispute.

    HR exists to protect the employer not the employee.

    The employees need someone independent.
    Doesn't antagonise me at all, Len.

    There is a misconception amongst a lot of employees that HR are there to act as their advocate when the truth is that people who work in HR are there to both represent and protect the Company.
    HR are solely there to make sure the company doesn't get sued by it's employees.
  • bobmunro said:

    LenGlover said:

    Though it’s in a national (wider awareness / bigger negative publicity), I’m not see anything here that could not have been assumed a couple of weeks ago.

    Would be interested to know if this is an across the board scheme, or individually tailored?, and if the latter how many have been impacted?.

    Were similar incentives applied in the previous Duchatelet years or is this something different for this year, which now seems to have been reneged on? And if so, is it LDT carrying this decision making / message giving, or someone else?

    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    At the risk of antagonising @bobmunro when push comes to shove HR will always favour the employer rather than the employee unless the wrong is so unambiguous there is effectively no dispute.

    HR exists to protect the employer not the employee.

    The employees need someone independent.
    Doesn't antagonise me at all, Len.

    There is a misconception amongst a lot of employees that HR are there to act as their advocate when the truth is that people who work in HR are there to both represent and protect the Company.
    HR are solely there to make sure the company doesn't get sued by it's employees.
    Hopefully they’ve failed in their responsibility this time then.
  • bobmunro said:

    LenGlover said:

    Though it’s in a national (wider awareness / bigger negative publicity), I’m not see anything here that could not have been assumed a couple of weeks ago.

    Would be interested to know if this is an across the board scheme, or individually tailored?, and if the latter how many have been impacted?.

    Were similar incentives applied in the previous Duchatelet years or is this something different for this year, which now seems to have been reneged on? And if so, is it LDT carrying this decision making / message giving, or someone else?

    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    At the risk of antagonising @bobmunro when push comes to shove HR will always favour the employer rather than the employee unless the wrong is so unambiguous there is effectively no dispute.

    HR exists to protect the employer not the employee.

    The employees need someone independent.
    Doesn't antagonise me at all, Len.

    There is a misconception amongst a lot of employees that HR are there to act as their advocate when the truth is that people who work in HR are there to both represent and protect the Company.
    HR are solely there to make sure the company doesn't get sued by it's employees.
    Not solely that!
  • bobmunro said:

    LenGlover said:

    Though it’s in a national (wider awareness / bigger negative publicity), I’m not see anything here that could not have been assumed a couple of weeks ago.

    Would be interested to know if this is an across the board scheme, or individually tailored?, and if the latter how many have been impacted?.

    Were similar incentives applied in the previous Duchatelet years or is this something different for this year, which now seems to have been reneged on? And if so, is it LDT carrying this decision making / message giving, or someone else?

    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    At the risk of antagonising @bobmunro when push comes to shove HR will always favour the employer rather than the employee unless the wrong is so unambiguous there is effectively no dispute.

    HR exists to protect the employer not the employee.

    The employees need someone independent.
    Doesn't antagonise me at all, Len.

    There is a misconception amongst a lot of employees that HR are there to act as their advocate when the truth is that people who work in HR are there to both represent and protect the Company.
    HR are solely there to make sure the company doesn't get sued by it's employees.
    You want to come to my Working Futures event in October Kent. I’ve got 200 of the buggers all talking about how strategic they are :smile:

    To be fair it just depends on what company you work for. Some HR functions are very good and do some great things, others simply do as you say and are transactional
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  • bobmunro said:

    LenGlover said:

    Though it’s in a national (wider awareness / bigger negative publicity), I’m not see anything here that could not have been assumed a couple of weeks ago.

    Would be interested to know if this is an across the board scheme, or individually tailored?, and if the latter how many have been impacted?.

    Were similar incentives applied in the previous Duchatelet years or is this something different for this year, which now seems to have been reneged on? And if so, is it LDT carrying this decision making / message giving, or someone else?

    While the club employees will not have union representation (not so bad these unions after all?), they do have a HR Manager, one that is clearly highly rated as they have recently been elected to the Board as a Director of a high profile footballing body, who on flagging her appointment to the Board stated “she is efficient in planning, organising and working collaboratively to influence, design and deliver initiatives, essential to the accomplishment of the business.”

    Does this not fall under their remit?

    At the risk of antagonising @bobmunro when push comes to shove HR will always favour the employer rather than the employee unless the wrong is so unambiguous there is effectively no dispute.

    HR exists to protect the employer not the employee.

    The employees need someone independent.
    Doesn't antagonise me at all, Len.

    There is a misconception amongst a lot of employees that HR are there to act as their advocate when the truth is that people who work in HR are there to both represent and protect the Company.
    Any misconception soon evaporates once you deal with HR over a work grievance - there is usually no attempt at independence and despite having no legal training they seem happy to make some very dodgy decisions. Outside advice is always useful.

  • CARD said:

    CARD READY TO SUPPORT CHEATED CHARLTON STAFF

    The Coalition Against Roland Duchatelet (CARD) welcomes the fact that Charlton Athletic’s dispute with a significant number of its own non-football staff is now public knowledge, following the article in this morning’s Daily Mail.

    CARD believes that most Addicks fans would want to give moral and practical support to these relatively modestly paid employees who have been denied meaningful sums of money that they have earned simply to suit the millionaire Duchatelet’s cost-cutting agenda, which is impinging on all areas of the club.

    Although our objective is to see Duchatelet gone, the most important consideration in this case is to see the Charlton staff treated fairly and lawfully. Therefore, we are ready to take any practical steps available to support the staff and to encourage other fans to join us.

    We invite the club - and in particular its directors, Duchatelet and Richard Murray - to respond to staff, and publicly, in the next 48 hours before we announce any further action.

    Does CARD have all the info it needs?
  • Good stuff.

    We need to be turning the screw on a daily basis rather that a 6 monthly one.
  • The bottom line to all of this is the ‘boycott’ and ‘not a penny more’ campaigns are starting to bite. In business, cash is king and with a reduction in attendances, cost saving at the margins, sale of players etc, the cash flow is taking a pounding which means Le Rat is now having to put his hand in Le pocket far too often for his liking. What needs to happen now is for a creditor to take him to court over unpaid bills and the court sends in the bailiffs. Really feel for the staff, it’s not nice and would happily contribute to a fund to support any legal action. Hopefully this will be resolved sooner rather than later.
  • Daily Mail to the rescue ----!!!!! Getting far to lefty might have to cancel my subscription


    As for the staff good luck except Burger Boy whose KPI is how many fans he could drag to court ,he can get fecked
  • I dont understand fully how Green did it with BHS so could be writing a very idiotic comment

    Yet is there a chance that Roland could go after Staff pensions to start paying the bills?
  • This article changes nothing.
  • PopIcon said:

    This article changes nothing.

    Except reminding people Roland is a bit of a git, and we are screwed this season if he doesn’t sell.
  • I dont understand fully how Green did it with BHS so could be writing a very idiotic comment

    Yet is there a chance that Roland could go after Staff pensions to start paying the bills?

    Rick should be able to confirm but I very much doubt there is a Club controlled staff pension scheme. More likely a defined contribution scheme where contributions are paid into a third party provider's scheme.
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