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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc

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  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    International????
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    edited August 2019
    I’ll do the trivia from the ladies loo to avoid spoilers shortly! 

    Did you see anything else interesting in the men's loo
    Not been. Yet. Not impressed by distance and lack of ladies loos. And I’m in a jumpsuit. Argh. So may visit soon!  
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Where when and who played in the first international cricket match 
    I know that one, as it was in the men's loo.  And I knew the (astonishing) answer, because I only read about it a few days ago.  
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Chizz said:
    Chizz said:
    (Take this with a pinch of salt...) 

    Joe Root should have been given out... 

    He missed the ball, but was given out.  The Aussies appealed (and, when you appeal, the appeal covers all forms of dismissal).  The umpire gave it out.  Root reviewed.  

    So, the review process checked, in order, what had taken place.  It correctly showed the bowler hadn't overstepped.  So it went on to check if he edged it and confirmed he didn't.  They then checked whether it hit the pad (so could check the lbw) and confirmed it didn't.  But, as the appeal covers all dismissals, ball tracker should have been used to determine if he had been bowled.  The ball clipped the stumps, so would have shown up as "umpire's call" and the decision (out) should have stood.  
    I'm going to take a handful of salt on this occasion Chizz!  :D
    Being slightly more serious, it would be good to see ball tracker on that delivery, just to see how well it's calibrated, ie would ball tracker confirm the path of the ball hitting the stumps? 
    Thats not where the problems with ball tracking come in. In that instance the ball tracking would be showing what actually happened. With this ball tracking is as near to 100% accurate as is possible.

    The reason we have umpires call and the margin for error in LBW decisions is because the ball hit the pad and so what followed didn't actually happen. They are trying to produce a forecast of where the ball would have gone had it not have been stopped by the pad. They think it is pretty accurate and i trust it fully having looked into the analysis they do on it. However you can never be fully sure where the ball would have gone and so it is right to allow a margin for error or effectively a sensitivity test. Umpires call is, in my analysts opinion, the best way of dealing with the uncertainty. 
    That's why it would be interesting.  If they (whoever "they" are) are utterly convinced that the non-prediction element is 100% accurate, there should be no doubt that the ball tracker on that delivery would be shown to be clipping (and not missing) the stumps.  

    Ball tracker doesn't only show a "forecast".  It claims to show exactly what did happen, for example, in the case of the determination of whether the ball pitched in line with, or outside the line of, the stumps.  

    It should be 100% accurate.  It would be very damning if it wasn't. 
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,410
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    International????

    One of those joke thingys.... whoooshh
  • Thought TMS felt like it was back to it's gentle, charming best this morning then realised what it is - no Graeme Swann.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Good 50 for Burns, as he looked hopeless against Ireland
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    International????
    Was it something like the USA v Canada 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Well batted, Burns. 

    We've been told over and over again that Australia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only opener to pass fifty is one of ours.  
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    You'd think if these two umpires tossed a coin each and every time there was a decision to make they would get it right more than they are at the moment. 
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Yet another successful review
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    10 wrong decisions (5 each) between them and we're only in the 5th session!
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Chizz said:
    Well batted, Burns. 

    We've been told over and over again that Australia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only opener to pass fifty is one of ours.  
    Never had any doubts myself  😊
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Paine seems to be really struggling with the wobble of the ball in English conditions
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Paine seems to be really struggling with the wobble of the ball in English conditions
    And some of his fielding positions.  And his team selection.  And his decision-making on review.  But, his five runs were pretty good. 
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    edited August 2019
    Cafc43v3r said:
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    International????
    Was it something like the USA v Canada 
    Yes! In what year? 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    International????
    Was it something like the USA v Canada 
    Yes! In what year? 
    1883??
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    International????
    Was it something like the USA v Canada 
    Yes! In what year? 
    1883??
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    International????
    Was it something like the USA v Canada 
    Yes! In what year? 
    1883??
    Wow just googled it, I can't believe how far that was out, doh! 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,909
    Paine seems to be really struggling with the wobble of the ball in English conditions
    Certainly not keeping very well. There are plenty of Aussies with doubts over whether he is even the best keeper in this side let alone in Aus. He certainly isn't in the side for his batting. I know what I would be saying to him if i was fielding in close when he comes in to bat. Specialist captain anyone? 

    Maybe not specialist captain eh? Reckon he will be out the side and Smith in charge by the end of the series.

    Chizz said:
    Paine seems to be really struggling with the wobble of the ball in English conditions
    And some of his fielding positions.  And his team selection.  And his decision-making on review.  But, his five runs were pretty good. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Two fellas dressed up as Aussie players running about selling sandpaper.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    I still think it’s outrageous that not a single bowler got a ban for their part in that.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    I still think it’s outrageous that not a single bowler got a ban for their part in that.
    Maybe Starc's 'ban' is this test?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Chizz said:
    Well batted, Burns. 

    We've been told over and over again that Australia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only opener to pass fifty is one of ours.  
    Well batted, Root. 

    We've been told over and over again that Aistralia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only number three to pass fifty is ours. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Chizz said:
    Chizz said:
    Well batted, Burns. 

    We've been told over and over again that Australia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only opener to pass fifty is one of ours.  
    Well batted, Root. 

    We've been told over and over again that Aistralia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only number three to pass fifty is ours. 
    Wonder how many times in the last few years, had he not been so stubborn with his refusal to bat at 3, we would not have been two down for next to nothing?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Chizz said:
    Chizz said:
    Well batted, Burns. 

    We've been told over and over again that Australia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only opener to pass fifty is one of ours.  
    Well batted, Root. 

    We've been told over and over again that Aistralia's top order is better than England's.  So it's nice to see that the only number three to pass fifty is ours. 
    Wonder how many times in the last few years, had he not been so stubborn with his refusal to bat at 3, we would not have been two down for next to nothing?
    He also needs to convert more of his 50s - 16 out of 58 to date
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Top catch by siddle there. Commentators shitting on root, but nothing you can do about that. On another day it would’ve been 4 runs 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,909
    This is exactly when you want Roy to come in. Platform is set and the new ball seen off. Chance for him to dominate the bowlers as they are tiring. batting order just feels a bit upside down. 
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    Two fellas dressed up as Aussie players running about selling sandpaper.
    They keep getting chased by security!!! 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    This is exactly when you want Roy to come in. Platform is set and the new ball seen off. Chance for him to dominate the bowlers as they are tiring. batting order just feels a bit upside down. 
    Agree - don't think Roy will ever make a Test opener whereas Denly has done it hundreds of times in the past. Having made the decision I'm not sure how ready the selectors are prepared to do it though but they run the risk of judging Roy purely on a red ball batting position that is foreign and too challenging for him.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280

    Courtesy of Cricinfo...

    "It's a little-known fact that singer Billy Ocean is a long time family friend of England cricketer Joe Denly. Billy wrote one of his most famous songs for Joe's mother, Susan. Su Denly."