can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think it's to stop constant negative bowling down the leg side whilst overloading the fielding on that side.
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
To stop “body line” bowling, as in bowling at the body rather at the stumps. It was used to devastating effect in 1932-33 ashes, after which it was outlawed. It’s also why you cannot have more than 2 fielders behind square on the leg side.
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
To stop “body line” bowling, as in bowling at the body rather at the stumps. It was used to devastating effect in 1932-33 ashes, after which it was outlawed. It’s also why you cannot have more than 2 fielders behind square on the leg side.
However, if you are going to be bowling 'bodyline' you are not going to get anyone out lbw anyway..
Its also so that the 'standard' rough created by bowlers isn't a key element of bowlers bowling leg-spin around the wicket from the other end.Which is why they talk about the rough causing problems for left-handers. Makes sense to force bowlers to bowl outside off to right-handers and not defensively outside leg.
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
which was disapointing as where it hit the batsmen it was clearly in the middle of the sumps. That's the reality but then hey ho it's the rules and same for everybody.
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
Not the case.
If the ball pitches offside off, and hits the battter outside the line of off-stump then he's not out. If it hits him in-line of the off-stump (or any other stump) then he's out - (as long as DRS decides thats its going to hit the stumps).
Pitching outside leg is a different matter - if it pitches outside leg, he cant be out lbw,full stop.
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
Not the case.
If the ball pitches offside off, and hits the battter outside the line of off-stump then he's not out. If it hits him in-line of the off-stump (or any other stump) then he's out - (as long as DRS decides thats its going to hit the stumps).
Pitching outside leg is a different matter - if it pitches outside leg, he cant be out,full stop.
Hope this clears matters.
... as long as the batsman is playing a shot.
If he's shouldering arms or hiding the bat behind the pad (and therefore, in the umpire's opinion, is not playing a shot) and gets hit outside off stump then he can still be given out.
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
Not the case.
If the ball pitches offside off, and hits the battter outside the line of off-stump then he's not out. If it hits him in-line of the off-stump (or any other stump) then he's out - (as long as DRS decides thats its going to hit the stumps).
Pitching outside leg is a different matter - if it pitches outside leg, he cant be out,full stop.
Hope this clears matters.
... as long as the batsman is playing a shot.
If he's shouldering arms or hiding the bat behind the pad (and therefore, in the umpire's opinion, is not playing a shot) and gets hit outside off stump then he can still be given out.
can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
I have just done an inspection outside my front door in Greenwich and it is drizzling so doubt if there will be any more play today Suzi. I think they will call it a day and back for tw.
Who knows with a bit of luck Steve Smith may have been frustrated in the dressing room and has a wayward shot (or misjudges and LBW). Now if we can nick a couple of wickets tonight...
i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
It's Day 4 tomorrow, certainly don't want them batting all day if we are to win!
Almost impossible to win this one, although the fragile batting line ups of both sides could provide a minor miracle!
i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
It's Day 4 tomorrow, certainly don't want them batting all day if we are to win!
Almost impossible to win this one, although the fragile batting line ups of both sides could provide a minor miracle!
i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
It's Day 4 tomorrow, certainly don't want them batting all day if we are to win!
Almost impossible to win this one, although the fragile batting line ups of both sides could provide a minor miracle!
yeah thanks 1990, meant day 5.
I do agree though, we need to get them by the middle of the afternoon session at the latest. Just not sure I can see that happening. Get Smith early though and that could change.
i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
A draw must be odds on.....90% I'd say. Surely we are the only ones that could win it now.....as @ThePresident said, get them all out by early afternoon tomorrow with a 80-100run lead & then bat the rest of the day, leaving them Sunday to survive.
Being England though it wouldn't surprise me if Oz bat all day tomorrow & an hour on Sunday.....then bowl us out inside 2 sessions .
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The thoughts on TMS is that when it starts that’ll be it for the day
Its also so that the 'standard' rough created by bowlers isn't a key element of bowlers bowling leg-spin around the wicket from the other end.Which is why they talk about the rough causing problems for left-handers.
Makes sense to force bowlers to bowl outside off to right-handers and not defensively outside leg.
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743
Not the case.
If the ball pitches offside off, and hits the battter outside the line of off-stump then he's not out. If it hits him in-line of the off-stump (or any other stump) then he's out - (as long as DRS decides thats its going to hit the stumps).
Pitching outside leg is a different matter - if it pitches outside leg, he cant be out lbw,full stop.
Hope this clears matters.
If he's shouldering arms or hiding the bat behind the pad (and therefore, in the umpire's opinion, is not playing a shot) and gets hit outside off stump then he can still be given out.
Correct, thanks Briston.
Bad light might well be a factor today even if it is considered dry enough.
Lord's must have made a fortune from alcohol sales today, especially as it's Friday...
:wink
And unlike Wednesday, no 100% ticket refunds either...
The latest rain radar gives great promise......
of a fuckload more rain
Almost impossible to win this one, although the fragile batting line ups of both sides could provide a minor miracle!
Being England though it wouldn't surprise me if Oz bat all day tomorrow & an hour on Sunday.....then bowl us out inside 2 sessions .