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Summer 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed. Pg 296 - Start of Deadline Day)
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Warning: this post contains speculation and unconfirmed figures
Konsa fee to Brentford was undisclosed but reported in some places as £2.5m
If he joins Villa for the reported £12m that's a £9.5m profit.
Sell on fees are usually a percentage of profit so if we make a total guess of 20% sell on fee..
Charlton might get £1.9m.
None of this will be taken to pay down Duchatelet's debt and all will be given to Bowyer to spend, obviously and shame on anyone who suggests otherwise.18 -
ha ha you forgot who negotiated that deal. 20%? Probably 10% at best but who cares if it is it's just less money for Roland.
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I was told by a Bees fan who claimed to be ITK that their sell-ons are for the whole fee.0
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No way would we have not driven a hard bargain.LargeAddick said:ha ha you forgot who negotiated that deal. 20%? Probably 10% at best but who cares if it is it's just less money for Roland.0 -
???harveys_gardener said:I was told by a Bees fan who claimed to be ITK that their sell-ons are for the whole fee.0 -
I would suggest it's more to cover last seasons losses than paying down the debt?Henry Irving said:Warning: this post contains speculation and unconfirmed figures
Konsa fee to Brentford was undisclosed but reported in some places as £2.5m
If he joins Villa for the reported £12m that's a £9.5m profit.
Sell on fees are usually a percentage of profit so if we make a total guess of 20% sell on fee..
Charlton might get £1.9m.
None of this will be taken to pay down Duchatelet's debt and all will be given to Bowyer to spend, obviously and shame on anyone who suggests otherwise.
The tosser isn't investing any more money than he thinks he absolutely has to. Its different to "putting it in his back pocket".
The helmet has done enough to ruin our club, without people twisting ever detail to fit their narrative, there is plenty to go after. If you manipulate ever detail into an anti RD angle the real problems start to get watered down.
Also I doubt there is a sell on clause if the "cash up front only" whispers of last summer were true? Didn't RD even say that they had to sell him for cash, quickly, to comply with FFP, and blamed the lack of a CEO as the reason? See that's a very good cause of criticism, who's fault is no CEO?2 -
Thanks Napa.Henry Irving said:Warning: this post contains speculation and unconfirmed figures
Konsa fee to Brentford was undisclosed but reported in some places as £2.5m
If he joins Villa for the reported £12m that's a £9.5m profit.
Sell on fees are usually a percentage of profit so if we make a total guess of 20% sell on fee..
Charlton might get £1.9m.
None of this will be taken to pay down Duchatelet's debt and all will be given to Bowyer to spend, obviously and shame on anyone who suggests otherwise.4 -
Losses are added to the debt so are effectively the same thing.1
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Couldn’t give an exact figure - but pretty much every penny we have got from selling players hasn’t been reinvested back into the club at all. I’m not going to pedantically argue over the term “back pocket” - call it what you will, but the money certainly hasn’t gone back into the teamCafc43v3r said:
How much has Roland put in his "back pocket"?ElliotCAFC said:Villa closing in on Konsa for £12m. Would be nice if Bower and Gallen get the sell-on fee to use in the market, but we all know it’s going straight in Roland’s back pocket..0 -
What does this mean ?harveys_gardener said:I was told by a Bees fan who claimed to be ITK that their sell-ons are for the whole fee.2 - Sponsored links:
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Given that Duchatelet gave Brentford a discount for cash, I expect there was a fairly paltry sell-on fee - not that Bowyer will see any of it anyway.0
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Cash upfront doesn't rule out a sell on fee.
The cash up front is as likely to refer to a one off payment rather than staggered payments.
It's possible that there is a sell on fee just as it is likely that the regime took a shortsighted view and didn't ask for one. They are incompetent.
And as Duchatelet has mismanaged the club for over five years, and in particular player recruitment and sales, yes this can all be laid at his door.0 -
so far all either playing at a higher level or a bigger club. Even the best league2 talents are skipping league1 now. We will be heavily relying on the loan window, more so than last season3 -
F****** brilliant, I always thought Ruud Gullit could still do a job.SE7since2000 said:Have a mate who is currently in the academy, he's currently under a pro deal and have been informed by him that oztumer was at the training ground the Monday before the first team headed off to Spain, however he's informed me that he was aware that there was trouble agreeing the contract and it is now deal off and he hasn't been seen there since. He has told me of a new player at the ground however he doesn't know the players name and can only say that he had dreads..1 -
But selling players to cover costs has been "normal" for Charlton for longer than I can remember. I get the fact that no extra money has been invested in the team, if we had the semblance of a functional smt it might have been but how much of the Shelvey money, the Bowyer money or the Robert Lee money was?ElliotCAFC said:
Couldn’t give an exact figure - but pretty much every penny we have got from selling players hasn’t been reinvested back into the club at all. I’m not going to pedantically argue over the term “back pocket” - call it what you will, but the money certainly hasn’t gone back into the teamCafc43v3r said:
How much has Roland put in his "back pocket"?ElliotCAFC said:Villa closing in on Konsa for £12m. Would be nice if Bower and Gallen get the sell-on fee to use in the market, but we all know it’s going straight in Roland’s back pocket..
I can't count, on 2 fingers, the time a Charlton player was sold for significant money and the money reinvested in the playing squad. Funny enough we got promoted both seasons as well.0 -
Yes it is, 200%, I can almost see an argument that it wasn't his fault KM left, but it is his fault that he employed her in the first place and certainly his fault he didn't see fit to replace her.Henry Irving said:
And as Duchatelet has mismanaged the club for over five years, and in particular player recruitment and sales, yes this can all be laid at his door.0 -
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Lee money helped to pay to get us back to the Valley
Bowyer money helped us massively build the 98 promotion side.
The Lookman money wasn't given to Robinson to spend with the excuse that it would go on the training ground. It didn't. It just went to reduce the losses made when relegated.
It's true that we've sold players at nearly all stages of our history to cover debt from Kingsley in 1921 onward but we never had a billionaire owner with no interest in progressing the club as we do now.17 -
Personally, I'm not fussed we didn't get Eaves, thought he was an average League 1 striker at best.
If you take away his last 2 seasons he has 20 goals in 135 games, I suspect he will be for Hull what Ajose was for us.5 -
I understand that - but that says nothing apart from we’ve had bad owners before Roland as well? There’s a huge difference between selling players to keep the club afloat and selling players to increase a billionaires cash flow. Even Powell got the money from Jenkinson to Arsenal. Imagine what we could have done with some of the Lookman/Konsa/Pope/Gomez/JBG moneyCafc43v3r said:
But selling players to cover costs has been "normal" for Charlton for longer than I can remember. I get the fact that no extra money has been invested in the team, if we had the semblance of a functional smt it might have been but how much of the Shelvey money, the Bowyer money or the Robert Lee money was?ElliotCAFC said:
Couldn’t give an exact figure - but pretty much every penny we have got from selling players hasn’t been reinvested back into the club at all. I’m not going to pedantically argue over the term “back pocket” - call it what you will, but the money certainly hasn’t gone back into the teamCafc43v3r said:
How much has Roland put in his "back pocket"?ElliotCAFC said:Villa closing in on Konsa for £12m. Would be nice if Bower and Gallen get the sell-on fee to use in the market, but we all know it’s going straight in Roland’s back pocket..
I can't count, on 2 fingers, the time a Charlton player was sold for significant money and the money reinvested in the playing squad. Funny enough we got promoted both seasons as well.0 - Sponsored links:
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We got off to a piss poor start last season but League One and The Championship are two completely different beasts. If anyone thinks we can afford to do the same this year and get away with it then they need their bumps feeling. If we rely on Bowyers comments then we can’t expect anyone in until Monday earliest. That will give any new players less than three weeks to get up to speed and gel into the team and might not even have had much of a pre season.Charltonparklane said:
Everyone said the same last season.....ShootersHillGuru said:23 days left until Blackburn. Six at least need to come in to even give us a fighting chance. Not good preparation is it ?0 -
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I’ve never been away (apart from the 4 years for buggeryHenry Irving said:Ricky Otto is back
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Accused but not found guilty.blackpool72 said:ricky_otto said:
I’ve never been away (apart from the 4 years for buggeryHenry Irving said:Ricky Otto is back1 -
Following on from HI post and thinking optimistically/naively we got £300K (reportedly) for Aribo and spent pretty much all on Bonne and Purrington.
Maybe RD has set a wages budget and loss budget/target he is comfortable with takeover or not and any sell on from Konsa will go to Bowyer/Gallen to invest as long as they stick to the wages budget. unlikely but not impossible as RD should be looking to give us a chance to stay up to preserve value if the takeover does not go through.
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I don’t think it makes any difference if a fixed fee is paid in instalments. It would still count in the year it is agreed for FFP purposes.Henry Irving said:Cash upfront doesn't rule out a sell on fee.
The cash up front is as likely to refer to a one off payment rather than staggered payments.
It's possible that there is a sell on fee just as it is likely that the regime took a shortsighted view and didn't ask for one. They are incompetent.
And as Duchatelet has mismanaged the club for over five years, and in particular player recruitment and sales, yes this can all be laid at his door.
That in turn suggests that RD gave a discount on the total fee, that is including contingent payments, to maximise the bit he could show in 2017/18.
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Fair point but assumes FFP was the main driver over just reducing losses per see.1
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You must be gutted 😀Braziliance said:That's Hull certs to go up as champions then, blokes a goal machine6 -
The Lee money was used because the owner couldn't/wouldn't put the money up them selves.Henry Irving said:Lee money helped to pay to get us back to the Valley
Bowyer money helped us massively build the 98 promotion side.
The Lookman money wasn't given to Robinson to spend with the excuse that it would go on the training ground. It didn't. It just went to reduce the losses made when relegated.
It's true that we've sold players at nearly all stages of our history to cover debt from Kingsley in 1921 onward but we never had a billionaire owner with no interest in progressing the club as we do now.
The Bowyer money was used because the owner couldn't/wouldn't put the money up them selves.
So your problem is Roland is a billionaire that won't invest? If he was down to his last brass tack, relatively speaking, as Murray was when he sold Shelvey. How much of that was "reinvested"? Would you hold that point of view? My problem is he is a deluded twat that won't invest. His personal wealth imo is irrelevant unless he is prepared to "spunk" it on us.
The same is true for Muir and anyone else that takes the gamble of buying is.
The bloke is a cancer, and I do use that word with a heavy heart, in our club. But please don't make bollocks up for the sake of easy point scoring, when the real enemy couldn't give to tosses what you think.
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Wow, no need for the personal abuse nonsense.
You referenced Lee and Bowyer but in both cases a substantial part of it was reinvested in the club leading to progress on and off the pitch.
The then owners had nothing like the disposal capital in the way Duchatelet has.
They chose to reinvest the money rather than pay off themselves, huge, huge difference.5 -
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