Be surprised if Jim lets him... Simon Jordan clearly shows JW up as a typical journalist who is a bag of wind and is too afraid to ask big questions in case of losing the sources!!
You’re the Chairman of a medium sized but high profile company that floats on the stock market. After a lean period you finally manage to appoint a successful Senior Management team (more by luck than judgement, but hey ho). The customers are finally happy, they start to flood back. You might expect that the share price rises.
Then one day you allow the Senior Management team to walk away and potentially join a competitor. Your customers are furious. What would happen to the share price I wonder?
So well done Roland, you’re a genius. You’ve allowed, no encouraged, your company’s key assets to walk away. Now don’t be surprised if potential buyers aren’t prepared to pay as much for it.
I do not believe LB point blank rejected the offer (whatever the offer actually was) to stay at Charlton.
I think the negotiation was continuous...and Bowyer most likely really did not expect this sudden abrupt statement. He was expecting this discussion to at least remain private, normal and respectful.
I just think it's a failed tactical approach from the Rat.
He knows it.
That's why he has asked Jim White to get him on talksport tomorrow...so he go in for a desperate clumsy thoughtless tackle.
Think someone commented here or elsewhere about a low wage budget for the squad being offered by the owner being instrumental as to why Bowyer's rejected thus far.
From Bowyer's perspective, personal salary aside, the player budget you are afforded is probably equally if not more significant.
Bowyer is starting out in his management career and will likely hope to have a 20 year career and achieve great success at the top of the game.
He has achieved resounding success this year in his first job and in the eyes of many Charlton fans will be afforded legend status for the unbridled joy he and his team gave us in the final weeks of the season.
However the wider football world won't pay that same regard as they won't live in the same Charlton microcosm that we inhabit.
Therefore it is imperative that he maintains success or a modicum of success herein so as to not be perceived as a one season wonder and either a) take Charlton to the top/ next level or b) put himself in contention for jobs at higher levels should the Charlton gig not be viable long term.
Now even if an owner offered you £500k a year it is not the be all and end all. Particularly for a man like Bowyer who will already be set for life with what he will have earned as a player.
For the likes of Karl Robinson or Riga and certainly unqualified men like Fraeye then you would take the chance and gamble at managing a club like Charlton probably on a relatively lower salary with a low player budget....if it pays off then you do well, if not then you have earned a wage and have a reasonable sized club like Charlton on your profile allowing you to get work at least at that level or below.
In Bowyer's situation his reputation in his fledgling career is at stake...the championship is an extremely competitive and physical league with plenty of clubs spending ludicrous sums chasing the PL jackpot at the end of the rainbow.
If you enter the league with a 3rd division budget there is a significant risk you will become the league's whipping boys and the team be humiliated and out of a job by Christmas.
All of the good work done last season will be forgotten by the wider football world and the nuanced reasons i.e. low player budget will be overlooked by the sensationalist gutter press who will revel in the club's failure if it suits that week's narrative or makes a good Talksport click bait call in.
Bowyer, within the space of 6 short months has gone from overachieving hero to failure with people saying "well he knew the budget when he signed" etc. Last season anything he achieved was relative success and he did that in bounds.
This season in the higher profile Championship where he will be scrutinised further beyond the shallow afterthought platitudes most the media have given him so far (and why would they as no real interest beyond that of Charlton fans) his past achievements will be insignificant and the context of any failure not entertained.
For this reason I think it's about more than his weekly take home and actually believe he would probably accept £200k for example with a competitive player budget, or a budget that would at least allow him to attempt to compete, than £400k with a scant budget...that the statement infers will be the case.
I don’t doubt Rich Cawley is well intentioned but you have to question his contacts as on Friday he told us talks are progressing well and then today we get another Roland rant. What would we have got if talks were progressing badly I wonder. Now Cawley says Bowyer and Roland are going to talk tomorrow. I’m taking that with a very large pinch of salt.
Friday’s quotes came from Bowyer, as did today’s
It doesn't matter how many times Airman Brown said Richard Cawley gets his info direct from Lee Bowyer someone will question it Yet again. Thanks Louis for putting the record straight. If you could do the same every hour on the hour for the next day maybe the planks can understand
So is Duchatalet holding his contract negotiations with Bowyer live on the Jim White show tomorrow?
Roland or his lackey will be going through this thread to identify posts - individual or conflated (as per his previous practice) - which he can then read out to Jim White over the phone to demonstrate how beastly we are.
For tomorrow's meeting, between owner and manager, maybe a change of scene would be productive. Perhaps Lee could invite Roland to continue discussions over a spot of relaxing fishing on one of his (very deep) carp lakes.
Charlton Athletic have been unable to reach an agreement with manager Lee Bowyer regarding the extension of his contract.
The fact the club is for sale has not helped with finding an agreement. The current owner needs to take into account that a new owner may want to appoint his own manager. However, this concern did not stop the current owner proposing a contract extension of one year to Lee Bowyer, even though the club may be sold in a few weeks. Under those circumstances a multi-year extension would not be good business practice.
In addition, since the club is still losing money, which is one of the reasons why the club has not been sold yet, the focus on reducing costs means that we are extremely limited on payroll increases.
Lee has been offered a one-year extension to his contract at a level which is approximately three times what he had since his last increase when he became permanent manager in September. It is six times what he earned when he started as assistant manager in 2017 and 50% more than what any Charlton manager previously had (excluding the Premier League years). This reflects the strong desire we have to continue to have Lee as our manager. But Lee wanted much more.
The owner understands Lee’s point of view, because many Championship clubs pay huge amounts (some pay millions of £ per year) to their manager. It is fair that Lee feels he should be paid like many other Championship managers. That the average Championship club makes a loss of around £15 million per year is not something players should care about. The owners are crazy.
This is why we could not come to an agreement. Another element may have influenced as well. Unlike previous contract discussions, Lee wanted an agent to handle it. We reluctantly accepted. However, involving a player agent in a manager’s contract discussion is not healthy. If the agent helps make the manager more money, it may result in the manager to have a more positive attitude towards players proposed by the same agent, a conflict of interest. Obviously, Lee is above such things, but it is nevertheless not a healthy situation.
The club hasn’t started to look for any other manager in the meantime and does not intend to appoint a permanent manager, since the club is going to be sold. A caretaker manager will be announced in due course and in the meantime the other staff members will continue to prepare the upcoming season for which a lot of good work has been performed already.
If Lee does change his mind before his contract expires and chooses to continue his good work at Charlton, he is still welcome to stay.
However our ability to sell the club is the most important thing right now.
You'd fit right in then Roland. (except you'd be absent) - is this all a tactic about selling the club.
Sky Sports have been running the same report since the statement was published.... SLP plus one other are the only sites that have mentioned the 'talks' tomorrow morning... not convinced the talks will be about a contract though
Anger and disappointment at this news of course. The manner in which it has been done though has left me stunned. We all know RD’s approach to things is not normal but for an owner to do this is staggering. Totally unnecessary and totally classless.
I’m desperate for Bowyer the be here next season. My hope, like others have mentioned, is that Bowyer gets an offer more deserving of his tenure so far and then renegotiates once the sale goes through.
I think Lee has to go after the way he has been treated - he deserves better.
I'm afraid I agree. RD has publicly said thatLB is not worth what he is asking and if he comes back it will be for lower wages than other managers at the same level.
Surely the most shameful, as well as being completely pointless and illogical, moment of Duchatelet's reign of terror. Just when a manager brings some positivity back he turns against him - must be out of blind jealousy. We deserve so much better than the total shambles he has presided over for years.
Sky Sports have been running the same report since the statement was published.... SLP plus one other are the only sites that have mentioned the 'talks' tomorrow morning... not convinced the talks will be about a contract though
Taking it as though the SLP are the only ones doing some proper research - SKY etc. just seem to be taking the statement as your typical Football gospel without thinking about who has written it
Wasnt it mentioned that Bowyer speaks directly with the likes of Rich Cawley which is why the latter is able to get such quick information
Probably recorded already (no right of reply or phone-line questions). A three minute review of what his statement said and several questions from Jim White seeking confirmation or clarification and "thanks Roland for coming on and being so forthright etc."
Probably recorded already (no right of reply or phone-line questions). A three minute review of what his statement said and several questions from Jim White seeking confirmation or clarification and "thanks Roland for coming on and being so forthright etc."
According to Rich Cawley LB and RD are talking tomorrow morning, so you’d hope they’d do that before the Talksport spot. Something recorded today might be out of date in that case.
What can you say. Despise RD, thanks to Lee for giving us a great season. I just feel like a absolute prick for buying a season ticket in the euphoria.
Sorry mate, we were all euphoric - you don't deserve to be shat on.
Not digging you out at all, promise, but I am going to take this opportunity to remind people there's a reason CARD has been consistently opposed to RD regardless of results. As long as he's at our club there will be no ambition, and this kind of thing will continue to happen. Bow may yet sign, but that statement holds him in a level of contempt that should be reserved for Duchatelet. What Bowyer achieved was against all odds, absolutely in spite of Duchatelet, and surely from the owner's perspective promotion was an unhappy accident. If he doesn't sell now, the Championship will crucify him in more ways than one.
CARD's ability for mass protest is directly proportionate to the size of the mass willing to protest. Its easy to capture moods like now, but keep this feeling close for the days when we might have strung a couple of wins together and we're tempted to optimistically think things might be OK. They never will be under Duchatelet. Never.
I urge you to support whatever protests come from CARD and anyone else until the day Duchatelet's finally out of our club for good.
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Imagine this.
You’re the Chairman of a medium sized but high profile company that floats on the stock market. After a lean period you finally manage to appoint a successful Senior Management team (more by luck than judgement, but hey ho). The customers are finally happy, they start to flood back. You might expect that the share price rises.
Then one day you allow the Senior Management team to walk away and potentially join a competitor. Your customers are furious. What would happen to the share price I wonder?
So well done Roland, you’re a genius. You’ve allowed, no encouraged, your company’s key assets to walk away. Now don’t be surprised if potential buyers aren’t prepared to pay as much for it.
I think the negotiation was continuous...and Bowyer most likely really did not expect this sudden abrupt statement. He was expecting this discussion to at least remain private, normal and respectful.
I just think it's a failed tactical approach from the Rat.
He knows it.
That's why he has asked Jim White to get him on talksport tomorrow...so he go in for a desperate clumsy thoughtless tackle.
Huge shame.
From Bowyer's perspective, personal salary aside, the player budget you are afforded is probably equally if not more significant.
Bowyer is starting out in his management career and will likely hope to have a 20 year career and achieve great success at the top of the game.
He has achieved resounding success this year in his first job and in the eyes of many Charlton fans will be afforded legend status for the unbridled joy he and his team gave us in the final weeks of the season.
However the wider football world won't pay that same regard as they won't live in the same Charlton microcosm that we inhabit.
Therefore it is imperative that he maintains success or a modicum of success herein so as to not be perceived as a one season wonder and either a) take Charlton to the top/ next level or b) put himself in contention for jobs at higher levels should the Charlton gig not be viable long term.
Now even if an owner offered you £500k a year it is not the be all and end all. Particularly for a man like Bowyer who will already be set for life with what he will have earned as a player.
For the likes of Karl Robinson or Riga and certainly unqualified men like Fraeye then you would take the chance and gamble at managing a club like Charlton probably on a relatively lower salary with a low player budget....if it pays off then you do well, if not then you have earned a wage and have a reasonable sized club like Charlton on your profile allowing you to get work at least at that level or below.
In Bowyer's situation his reputation in his fledgling career is at stake...the championship is an extremely competitive and physical league with plenty of clubs spending ludicrous sums chasing the PL jackpot at the end of the rainbow.
If you enter the league with a 3rd division budget there is a significant risk you will become the league's whipping boys and the team be humiliated and out of a job by Christmas.
All of the good work done last season will be forgotten by the wider football world and the nuanced reasons i.e. low player budget will be overlooked by the sensationalist gutter press who will revel in the club's failure if it suits that week's narrative or makes a good Talksport click bait call in.
Bowyer, within the space of 6 short months has gone from overachieving hero to failure with people saying "well he knew the budget when he signed" etc. Last season anything he achieved was relative success and he did that in bounds.
This season in the higher profile Championship where he will be scrutinised further beyond the shallow afterthought platitudes most the media have given him so far (and why would they as no real interest beyond that of Charlton fans) his past achievements will be insignificant and the context of any failure not entertained.
For this reason I think it's about more than his weekly take home and actually believe he would probably accept £200k for example with a competitive player budget, or a budget that would at least allow him to attempt to compete, than £400k with a scant budget...that the statement infers will be the case.
For tomorrow's meeting, between owner and manager, maybe a change of scene would be productive. Perhaps Lee could invite Roland to continue discussions over a spot of relaxing fishing on one of his (very deep) carp lakes.
Redhenry hinted at it earlier but think Roland and driesen are up to there old tricks of trying to force cheaper players on bowyer.
Similar to slade and Congo Chris and this is Roland flexing his power.
Wasnt it mentioned that Bowyer speaks directly with the likes of Rich Cawley which is why the latter is able to get such quick information
He couldn’t see what was wrong about buying the club without doing due diligence.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with his player network idea.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with sending players that the manager didn’t want.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with appointing a naive and inexperienced CEO.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with emailing team and tactics suggestions to the manager.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with getting rid of Kermogant and Morrison.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with sacking manager after manager after manager.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with appointing a manager who didn’t have a work permit.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with appointing Karel Fraeye.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with letting Tommy D scout for players and choose transfer targets.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with selling Poyet/Gomez/Cousins/Konsa/Lookman/Grant
He couldn’t see what was wrong with not appointing another CEO
He couldn’t see what was wrong with asking the EFL to buy the club
He couldn’t see what was wrong with calling the fans terrorists.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with not giving a new contract to Lee Bowyer et al before the end of the season.
He couldn’t see what was wrong with posting on the OS about the LB contract situation.
He just doesn’t see what’s wrong with any of it.
And therein lies the problem.