He’s not welsh although he played for them and wasn’t known to garner. His family are in SE London / Kent
He has known Garner for about 20 years. The main reason he signed for Swindon.
Correct: Not only does Ben Garner and Willians both come from Pembury in Kent but Ben Garner was coaching the youngsters at Palace so will know Jonny well despite not coaching his age group very often.
So it could be Colchester, Bromley or will he go back to his roots and play for Tonbridge Angels with the bearded Waggy ?
Wrexham would be his best pay offer now and Jonny would accept cameo roles.
A smashing guy who is the friendliest professional footballer I have ever chatted to on a few occasions.
Charlton is history and if anyone suggests that JW is coming back can they be banned for a couple of weeks 👍😤
When we won promotion in 2019 he chose to become a free agent after the final whilst he assessed his options, but ended up staying.
Not quite true. He desperately wanted to stay and was heartbroken when he was told he was to be released as we simply couldn’t afford it. Things changed later in the summer which allowed us to sign him within the budget with him taking a significant pay cut to stay.
When we won promotion in 2019 he chose to become a free agent after the final whilst he assessed his options, but ended up staying.
Not quite true. He desperately wanted to stay and was heartbroken when he was told he was to be released as we simply couldn’t afford it. Things changed later in the summer which allowed us to sign him within the budget with him taking a significant pay cut to stay.
He’s not welsh although he played for them and wasn’t known to garner. His family are in SE London / Kent
He has known Garner for about 20 years. The main reason he signed for Swindon.
Correct: Not only does Ben Garner and Willians both come from Pembury in Kent but Ben Garner was coaching the youngsters at Palace so will know Jonny well despite not coaching his age group very often.
So it could be Colchester, Bromley or will he go back to his roots and play for Tonbridge Angels with the bearded Waggy ?
Wrexham would be his best pay offer now and Jonny would accept cameo roles.
A smashing guy who is the friendliest professional footballer I have ever chatted to on a few occasions.
Charlton is history and if anyone suggests that JW is coming back can they be banned for a couple of weeks 👍😤
As I understand it, and happy to be told otherwise, the 18 months before he signed for Swindon had been very difficult on and off the field. He was told Cardiff want to keep him only to end up being released.
He might have packed it in, or at least taken a few months off but was, understandably, desperate to keep his place in the Wales squad.
Garner, and the fact league 2 football didn't effect his Wales career, were the reasons he signed for Swindon on a lot less money than he was on at even Charlton.
I wouldn't even hazard a guess where he ends up next, could be league 1, league 2, SPL, non league. He is lucky because he was set for life at 25 and has been able to not worry about it since.
He's actually had a decent season in terms of attacking returns, finally delivering the goals a player like him should deliver.
So has he found his level? 😉
At his peak he was a championship player. For us his best was the start of our championship season, was already on 5 or 6 assists in our early season winning run but then got his usual injury. Was never really the same after that
He’s not welsh although he played for them and wasn’t known to garner. His family are in SE London / Kent
He has known Garner for about 20 years. The main reason he signed for Swindon.
Correct: Not only does Ben Garner and Willians both come from Pembury in Kent but Ben Garner was coaching the youngsters at Palace so will know Jonny well despite not coaching his age group very often.
So it could be Colchester, Bromley or will he go back to his roots and play for Tonbridge Angels with the bearded Waggy ?
Wrexham would be his best pay offer now and Jonny would accept cameo roles.
A smashing guy who is the friendliest professional footballer I have ever chatted to on a few occasions.
Charlton is history and if anyone suggests that JW is coming back can they be banned for a couple of weeks 👍😤
As I understand it, and happy to be told otherwise, the 18 months before he signed for Swindon had been very difficult on and off the field. He was told Cardiff want to keep him only to end up being released.
He might have packed it in, or at least taken a few months off but was, understandably, desperate to keep his place in the Wales squad.
Garner, and the fact league 2 football didn't effect his Wales career, were the reasons he signed for Swindon on a lot less money than he was on at even Charlton.
I wouldn't even hazard a guess where he ends up next, could be league 1, league 2, SPL, non league. He is lucky because he was set for life at 25 and has been able to not worry about it since.
Should the final paragraph be correct, then respect to him for taking a hit financially.
When we won promotion in 2019 he chose to become a free agent after the final whilst he assessed his options, but ended up staying.
Not quite true. He desperately wanted to stay and was heartbroken when he was told he was to be released as we simply couldn’t afford it. Things changed later in the summer which allowed us to sign him within the budget with him taking a significant pay cut to stay.
I didn’t know that. The message that came out from the club was a different one from what I recall.
We all love Jonny, but please don't. We need a type of player who can play 100 minutes if needed. Jonny Williams was down to 60 minutes on a good day when at Cafc. He has been released from Swindon, a league two club for a reason; unlikely to be wages as has been mentioned Jonny earned a great wage at Palace and hasn't squandered it.
As we have released Morgan, Clare and Inniss who were good enough to help Cafc achieved 10th which may be piss poor but I can only assume we are bringing in half a dozen players that are top six quality ?
If we don't we will be bottom six again by the time November comes around. History keeps repeating itself over the last few seasons.
He’s not welsh although he played for them and wasn’t known to garner. His family are in SE London / Kent
He has known Garner for about 20 years. The main reason he signed for Swindon.
Correct: Not only does Ben Garner and Willians both come from Pembury in Kent but Ben Garner was coaching the youngsters at Palace so will know Jonny well despite not coaching his age group very often.
So it could be Colchester, Bromley or will he go back to his roots and play for Tonbridge Angels with the bearded Waggy ?
Wrexham would be his best pay offer now and Jonny would accept cameo roles.
A smashing guy who is the friendliest professional footballer I have ever chatted to on a few occasions.
Charlton is history and if anyone suggests that JW is coming back can they be banned for a couple of weeks 👍😤
He is lucky because he was set for life at 25 and has been able to not worry about it since.
We all love Jonny, but please don't. We need a type of player who can play 100 minutes if needed. Jonny Williams was down to 60 minutes on a good day when at Cafc. He has been released from Swindon, a league two club for a reason; unlikely to be wages as has been mentioned Jonny earned a great wage at Palace and hasn't squandered it.
As we have released Morgan, Clare and Inniss who were good enough to help Cafc achieved 10th which may be piss poor but I can only assume we are bringing in half a dozen players that are top six quality ?
If we don't we will be bottom six again by the time November comes around. History keeps repeating itself over the last few seasons.
Totally agree with your comments,perhaps my judgement is clouded by his game changing contribution at Wembley when he came on for the last 25 minutes.This year we have had no one on the bench who could come on and make a difference,Jonny is only 29 ,and I think used used sparingly could give us the edge in tight games,especially late in the day when the lesser talented teams begin to slow down and become vulnerable.
We all love Jonny, but please don't. We need a type of player who can play 100 minutes if needed. Jonny Williams was down to 60 minutes on a good day when at Cafc. He has been released from Swindon, a league two club for a reason; unlikely to be wages as has been mentioned Jonny earned a great wage at Palace and hasn't squandered it.
As we have released Morgan, Clare and Inniss who were good enough to help Cafc achieved 10th which may be piss poor but I can only assume we are bringing in half a dozen players that are top six quality ?
If we don't we will be bottom six again by the time November comes around. History keeps repeating itself over the last few seasons.
Totally agree with your comments,perhaps my judgement is clouded by his game changing contribution at Wembley when he came on for the last 25 minutes.This year we have had no one on the bench who could come on and make a difference,Jonny is only 29 ,and I think used used sparingly could give us the edge in tight games,especially late in the day when the lesser talented teams begin to slow down and become vulnerable.
There's a reason he was on the bench that day. But that was years ago now, and so he's only got older since.
We all love Jonny, but please don't. We need a type of player who can play 100 minutes if needed. Jonny Williams was down to 60 minutes on a good day when at Cafc. He has been released from Swindon, a league two club for a reason; unlikely to be wages as has been mentioned Jonny earned a great wage at Palace and hasn't squandered it.
As we have released Morgan, Clare and Inniss who were good enough to help Cafc achieved 10th which may be piss poor but I can only assume we are bringing in half a dozen players that are top six quality ?
If we don't we will be bottom six again by the time November comes around. History keeps repeating itself over the last few seasons.
Totally agree with your comments,perhaps my judgement is clouded by his game changing contribution at Wembley when he came on for the last 25 minutes.This year we have had no one on the bench who could come on and make a difference,Jonny is only 29 ,and I think used used sparingly could give us the edge in tight games,especially late in the day when the lesser talented teams begin to slow down and become vulnerable.
There's a reason he was on the bench that day. But that was years ago now, and so he's only got older since.
Yeah because he had been injured for months and it was a race against time to get him to be in a situation to do half an hour.
I am probably Johnny's biggest fan. He is a uniquely gift footballer, who, for what ever reason isn't actually that effective at football.
Put him in the right place, with the right players and he is a good to decent championship player. Take any of those variables away and he is lower league 1.
If you have a pair of split strikers that have pace, movement and can score goals another midfielder that can run past him and someone that can give him the ball, he is brilliant. Ask him to do "a job" he is really quite poor.
Compare him to Fraser, I know people will sight goals and assists, but Williams has a much higher ceiling but a much lower floor. Add in the fact he is very fragile he is a luxury, even if you have the right other ingredients to make it work.
I think he is a much better player than a lot of people give him credit for, I also think I could never actually justify signing him.
He’s not welsh although he played for them and wasn’t known to garner. His family are in SE London / Kent
He has known Garner for about 20 years. The main reason he signed for Swindon.
Correct: Not only does Ben Garner and Willians both come from Pembury in Kent but Ben Garner was coaching the youngsters at Palace so will know Jonny well despite not coaching his age group very often.
So it could be Colchester, Bromley or will he go back to his roots and play for Tonbridge Angels with the bearded Waggy ?
Wrexham would be his best pay offer now and Jonny would accept cameo roles.
A smashing guy who is the friendliest professional footballer I have ever chatted to on a few occasions.
Charlton is history and if anyone suggests that JW is coming back can they be banned for a couple of weeks 👍😤
As I understand it, and happy to be told otherwise, the 18 months before he signed for Swindon had been very difficult on and off the field. He was told Cardiff want to keep him only to end up being released.
He might have packed it in, or at least taken a few months off but was, understandably, desperate to keep his place in the Wales squad.
Garner, and the fact league 2 football didn't effect his Wales career, were the reasons he signed for Swindon on a lot less money than he was on at even Charlton.
I wouldn't even hazard a guess where he ends up next, could be league 1, league 2, SPL, non league. He is lucky because he was set for life at 25 and has been able to not worry about it since.
Surely he wasn't set for life though? Yes he was on very good money at Palace, but 3 years say of decent money at a lower PL club as a squad player is hardly superstar money. And footballers have lifestyles that burn much of it anyway
He’s not welsh although he played for them and wasn’t known to garner. His family are in SE London / Kent
He has known Garner for about 20 years. The main reason he signed for Swindon.
Correct: Not only does Ben Garner and Willians both come from Pembury in Kent but Ben Garner was coaching the youngsters at Palace so will know Jonny well despite not coaching his age group very often.
So it could be ColchesterBromley or will he go back to his roots and play for Tonbridge Angels with the bearded Waggy ?
Wrexham would be his best pay offer now and Jonny would accept cameo roles.
A smashing guy who is the friendliest professional footballer I have ever chatted to on a few occasions.
Charlton is history and if anyone suggests that JW is coming back can they be banned for a couple of weeks 👍😤
As I understand it, and happy to be told otherwise, the 18 months before he signed for Swindon had been very difficult on and off the field. He was told Cardiff want to keep him only to end up being released.
He might have packed it in, or at least taken a few months off but was, understandably, desperate to keep his place in the Wales squad.
Garner, and the fact league 2 football didn't effect his Wales career, were the reasons he signed for Swindon on a lot less money than he was on at even Charlton.
I wouldn't even hazard a guess where he ends up next, could be league 1, league 2, SPL, non league. He is lucky because he was set for life at 25 and has been able to not worry about it since.
Surely he wasn't set for life though? Yes he was on very good money at Palace, but 3 years say of decent money at a lower PL club as a squad player is hardly superstar money. And footballers have lifestyles that burn much of it anyway
"Set for life" may be slightly pushing it, but it's basically he'd earnt enough as a PL and Championship player to happily prioritise lifestyle/location, playing time etc in L2 and earn "only" a L2 wage (which, let's admit, will still be a very nice wage compared to most). Rather than keep pushing to try to get a Championship gig after Cardiff.
Has he actually been released or is it a case (as was rumoured with us & Inniss) that he was offered lower terms to chose to go?
I'm struggling to believe that after 37 league games and 10 goals this season they didn't think he was worth a new deal.
Hard to tell , Swindon termed it as being released. Could see Jonny being a very high earner at that level and they just couldn't agree anything or he thinks he could get a L1 deal.
Has he actually been released or is it a case (as was rumoured with us & Inniss) that he was offered lower terms to chose to go?
I'm struggling to believe that after 37 league games and 10 goals this season they didn't think he was worth a new deal.
Hard to tell , Swindon termed it as being released. Could see Jonny being a very high earner at that level and they just couldn't agree anything or he thinks he could get a L1 deal.
They have to called it released regardless of the reason, its a throw back to the retained/released days when a club could retain registrations even if the player was out of contract. Spurs released Sol Cambell.
Loved Jonny when he was here, one of those players always looking to take players on, and always got the crowd on their feet. He would often win cheap free kicks in decent areas (partly because he went down easily) but was always good entertainment.
I'm sure there will be takers, but definitely not one to build a team around.
We all love Jonny, but please don't. We need a type of player who can play 100 minutes if needed. Jonny Williams was down to 60 minutes on a good day when at Cafc. He has been released from Swindon, a league two club for a reason; unlikely to be wages as has been mentioned Jonny earned a great wage at Palace and hasn't squandered it.
As we have released Morgan, Clare and Inniss who were good enough to help Cafc achieved 10th which may be piss poor but I can only assume we are bringing in half a dozen players that are top six quality ?
If we don't we will be bottom six again by the time November comes around. History keeps repeating itself over the last few seasons.
Totally agree with your comments,perhaps my judgement is clouded by his game changing contribution at Wembley when he came on for the last 25 minutes.This year we have had no one on the bench who could come on and make a difference,Jonny is only 29 ,and I think used used sparingly could give us the edge in tight games,especially late in the day when the lesser talented teams begin to slow down and become vulnerable.
There's a reason he was on the bench that day. But that was years ago now, and so he's only got older since.
Yeah because he had been injured for months and it was a race against time to get him to be in a situation to do half an hour.
I am probably Johnny's biggest fan. He is a uniquely gift footballer, who, for what ever reason isn't actually that effective at football.
Put him in the right place, with the right players and he is a good to decent championship player. Take any of those variables away and he is lower league 1.
If you have a pair of split strikers that have pace, movement and can score goals another midfielder that can run past him and someone that can give him the ball, he is brilliant. Ask him to do "a job" he is really quite poor.
Compare him to Fraser, I know people will sight goals and assists, but Williams has a much higher ceiling but a much lower floor. Add in the fact he is very fragile he is a luxury, even if you have the right other ingredients to make it work.
I think he is a much better player than a lot of people give him credit for, I also think I could never actually justify signing him.
I think people misremember a lot of the 18/19 season. If you ask fans they'd tell you that we had this unstoppable midfield of Bielik, Cullen, Aribo and Williams, but the reality is we were pretty poor at times before January and we didn't see that combination all that regularly. Williams didn't sign until January but even before that Cullen dislocated his shoulder and Bielik went through phases of form and Bowyer outbursts. We used a really wide combination of midfielders. Ward, Lapslie, Pratley, Fosu, Marshall and Reeves all played more than I think most people realise, often due to Williams' fitness. Aside from that being a good argument for why we need squad players, Williams did alright that half season but he only got one assist. It was the start of the 19/20 season that he was brilliant and I think that little run is what people picture when they remember him for us. Absolutely unplayable, made us look like a really dangerous team every time we got the ball. 4 assists in the first 5 games and 5 in 12 overall when his fitness was already starting to come up as an issue again. He was injured after that and that really was the end of his time as an effective Championship player. After Covid when we were short on players and needed to grind out results (which we didn't) Bowyer didn't trust him to get things done and he was pretty poor when he played. As you say, in teh right spot he was excellent, and that brief period where we were newly in the league, confident and playing without fear he was incredible. It was just all too brief
We all love Jonny, but please don't. We need a type of player who can play 100 minutes if needed. Jonny Williams was down to 60 minutes on a good day when at Cafc. He has been released from Swindon, a league two club for a reason; unlikely to be wages as has been mentioned Jonny earned a great wage at Palace and hasn't squandered it.
As we have released Morgan, Clare and Inniss who were good enough to help Cafc achieved 10th which may be piss poor but I can only assume we are bringing in half a dozen players that are top six quality ?
If we don't we will be bottom six again by the time November comes around. History keeps repeating itself over the last few seasons.
Totally agree with your comments,perhaps my judgement is clouded by his game changing contribution at Wembley when he came on for the last 25 minutes.This year we have had no one on the bench who could come on and make a difference,Jonny is only 29 ,and I think used used sparingly could give us the edge in tight games,especially late in the day when the lesser talented teams begin to slow down and become vulnerable.
There's a reason he was on the bench that day. But that was years ago now, and so he's only got older since.
Yeah because he had been injured for months and it was a race against time to get him to be in a situation to do half an hour.
I am probably Johnny's biggest fan. He is a uniquely gift footballer, who, for what ever reason isn't actually that effective at football.
Put him in the right place, with the right players and he is a good to decent championship player. Take any of those variables away and he is lower league 1.
If you have a pair of split strikers that have pace, movement and can score goals another midfielder that can run past him and someone that can give him the ball, he is brilliant. Ask him to do "a job" he is really quite poor.
Compare him to Fraser, I know people will sight goals and assists, but Williams has a much higher ceiling but a much lower floor. Add in the fact he is very fragile he is a luxury, even if you have the right other ingredients to make it work.
I think he is a much better player than a lot of people give him credit for, I also think I could never actually justify signing him.
I think people misremember a lot of the 18/19 season. If you ask fans they'd tell you that we had this unstoppable midfield of Bielik, Cullen, Aribo and Williams, but the reality is we were pretty poor at times before January and we didn't see that combination all that regularly. Williams didn't sign until January but even before that Cullen dislocated his shoulder and Bielik went through phases of form and Bowyer outbursts. We used a really wide combination of midfielders. Ward, Lapslie, Pratley, Fosu, Marshall and Reeves all played more than I think most people realise, often due to Williams' fitness. Aside from that being a good argument for why we need squad players, Williams did alright that half season but he only got one assist. It was the start of the 19/20 season that he was brilliant and I think that little run is what people picture when they remember him for us. Absolutely unplayable, made us look like a really dangerous team every time we got the ball. 4 assists in the first 5 games and 5 in 12 overall when his fitness was already starting to come up as an issue again. He was injured after that and that really was the end of his time as an effective Championship player. After Covid when we were short on players and needed to grind out results (which we didn't) Bowyer didn't trust him to get things done and he was pretty poor when he played. As you say, in teh right spot he was excellent, and that brief period where we were newly in the league, confident and playing without fear he was incredible. It was just all too brief
I think the play off final was only the 2nd time that team had ever played together the first being the second leg of the semis.
Aribo, Grant and Williams never played in the same team together.
One of the contributing factors to him getting injured was he was getting kicked all over the place because he was playing so well.
When he came back from injury Gallagher had gone, Leko was injured and the emergance of Doughty ment we scrapped the diamond. We never really played it again, which finish Williams and Ozumers Charlton careers.
Very good player on his day but very injury prone. Hope we can set the bar higher for summer transfers than take released old players back from League 2 clubs. JW and Ben Reeves pulling the strings in midfield. No thanks.
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Not only does Ben Garner and Willians both come from Pembury in Kent but Ben Garner was coaching the youngsters at Palace so will know Jonny well despite not coaching his age group very often.
So it could be Colchester, Bromley or will he go back to his roots and play for Tonbridge Angels with the bearded Waggy ?
Wrexham would be his best pay offer now and Jonny would accept cameo roles.
A smashing guy who is the friendliest professional footballer I have ever chatted to on a few occasions.
Charlton is history and if anyone suggests that JW is coming back can they be banned for a couple of weeks 👍😤
Things changed later in the summer which allowed us to sign him within the budget with him taking a significant pay cut to stay.
Don't you want me? Nooooooo.
He might have packed it in, or at least taken a few months off but was, understandably, desperate to keep his place in the Wales squad.
Garner, and the fact league 2 football didn't effect his Wales career, were the reasons he signed for Swindon on a lot less money than he was on at even Charlton.
I wouldn't even hazard a guess where he ends up next, could be league 1, league 2, SPL, non league. He is lucky because he was set for life at 25 and has been able to not worry about it since.
We all love Jonny, but please don't.
We need a type of player who can play 100 minutes if needed. Jonny Williams was down to 60 minutes on a good day when at Cafc. He has been released from Swindon, a league two club for a reason; unlikely to be wages as has been mentioned Jonny earned a great wage at Palace and hasn't squandered it.
As we have released Morgan, Clare and Inniss who were good enough to help Cafc achieved 10th which may be piss poor but I can only assume we are bringing in half a dozen players that are top six quality ?
If we don't we will be bottom six again by the time November comes around. History keeps repeating itself over the last few seasons.
I am probably Johnny's biggest fan. He is a uniquely gift footballer, who, for what ever reason isn't actually that effective at football.
Put him in the right place, with the right players and he is a good to decent championship player. Take any of those variables away and he is lower league 1.
If you have a pair of split strikers that have pace, movement and can score goals another midfielder that can run past him and someone that can give him the ball, he is brilliant. Ask him to do "a job" he is really quite poor.
Compare him to Fraser, I know people will sight goals and assists, but Williams has a much higher ceiling but a much lower floor. Add in the fact he is very fragile he is a luxury, even if you have the right other ingredients to make it work.
I think he is a much better player than a lot of people give him credit for, I also think I could never actually justify signing him.
I'm struggling to believe that after 37 league games and 10 goals this season they didn't think he was worth a new deal.
Hard to tell , Swindon termed it as being released. Could see Jonny being a very high earner at that level and they just couldn't agree anything or he thinks he could get a L1 deal.
completely forgot about the Swindon link
Good for him, undeniable talent with the ball at his feet, just lacked in other departments.
He would often win cheap free kicks in decent areas (partly because he went down easily) but was always good entertainment.
I'm sure there will be takers, but definitely not one to build a team around.
Aribo, Grant and Williams never played in the same team together.
One of the contributing factors to him getting injured was he was getting kicked all over the place because he was playing so well.
When he came back from injury Gallagher had gone, Leko was injured and the emergance of Doughty ment we scrapped the diamond. We never really played it again, which finish Williams and Ozumers Charlton careers.