Sadly, I think this needed to happen if the exit polls are about right.
We have the awful tories, followed by the absolute dregs. As people have said, hopefully this will mean the Labour party can progress and provide a meaningful opposition, it really shouldn't be difficult right now even if Brexit muddy the waters.
If those at the helm of Labour don't smell the coffee now then we really are in trouble politically.
Sad times, but hopefully the wake up call that's needed.
Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.
BTW, how do you stop the SNP now from getting another referendum? Scotland is so far away from England and Wales now, they've overwhelmingly voted remain twice now if this is an EU related election. Their mandate is stronger then ever
Sadly, I think this needed to happen if the exit polls are about right.
We have the awful tories, followed by the absolute dregs. As people have said, hopefully this will mean the Labour party can progress and provide a meaningful opposition, it really shouldn't be difficult right now even if Brexit muddy the waters.
If those at the helm of Labour don't smell the coffee now then we really are in trouble politically.
Sad times, but hopefully the wake up call that's needed.
I absolutely agree. I have voted conservative, almost reluctantly. If we finally have a credible electable, sensible, realistic opposition, then it gives me another option, it gives the government a kick up the arse to improve.
Well, that's see what happens in the next five years. Different days and all that. Looking forward to an opposition that's isn't an absolute shitshow, if that's possible with their new membership. Hope, and I really mean this, people don't get to regret this. SNP on 55 seats, surely the end of the union
BTW, how do you stop the SNP now from getting another referendum? Scotland is so far away from England and Wales now, they've overwhelmingly voted remain twice now if this is an EU related election. Their mandate is stronger then ever
Because Boris said he won’t grant another referendum and, with a majority of this size, he won’t have to do anything he doesn’t want to.
My (half) brother got his citizenship last year. Thank fuck for that. Otherwise I would have been genuinely scared he would have had to go back to China - where he hasn't lived since he was 14 (he's now 32).
Will keep you all posted on the inevitable Johnny Foreigner comments I'll be getting in the next little while
Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.
But that's exactly my point. Many people do care. A slick campaign with a slick leader and this would've been a cake walk for Labour.
Sadly, I think this needed to happen if the exit polls are about right.
We have the awful tories, followed by the absolute dregs. As people have said, hopefully this will mean the Labour party can progress and provide a meaningful opposition, it really shouldn't be difficult right now even if Brexit muddy the waters.
If those at the helm of Labour don't smell the coffee now then we really are in trouble politically.
Sad times, but hopefully the wake up call that's needed.
I absolutely agree. I have voted conservative, almost reluctantly. If we finally have a credible electable, sensible, realistic opposition, then it gives me another option, it gives the government a kick up the arse to improve.
My fear is Corbyn and co will just try to carry on and those who have the say will allow him. The excuses will be that it was Breixt, without that they'd have romped home......
Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.
They don't like Corbyn and think he would do an appalling job
Wow. Exit poll suggest a massive Tory majority of 86.
Ha ha ha ha
Glad you find it funny. You're alright Jack.
It’s not funny as in funny, but you’ve got to admit it’s bizarre. I reckon about 90-95% of the noise on Facebook, Twitter and forums such as this is ‘anti Tory’, manipulating the backdrop with exaggerated guilting and shaming imo.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.
Labour is a disaster. There are two labours, the London one with a mix of largely comfortable champagne socialists / remainers and ethnic minorities, and then there is Labour outside of London. Traditional Labour, and that lot just don’t recognise or relate with Corbyn. This was on the wall 12 months ago. How an opposition who can’t make any inroads at all when the ruling party is in such disarray and doesn’t make any change only have themselves to blame.
The country desperately needs a strong opposition yet at best that looks years off.
Only real sad sad thing imo is the Scottish backing for the SNP, which given their poor actual performance is giving a big Scottish backing for independence (sadly for us Supporters of the union).
BTW, how do you stop the SNP now from getting another referendum? Scotland is so far away from England and Wales now, they've overwhelmingly voted remain twice now if this is an EU related election. Their mandate is stronger then ever
Because Boris said he won’t grant another referendum and, with a majority of this size, he won’t have to do anything he doesn’t want to.
Queue the next constitutional crisis.
The Tories will then get a shoeing in the Scottish Parliament elections next year, you then can't really say no if the SNP win a Scottish election with a majority (and they'll get close to 50% of the vote as well)
Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.
But that's exactly my point. Many people do care. A slick campaign with a slick leader and this would've been a cake walk for Labour.
Really just shows how out of touch they are.
Fair point about Corbyn but is Johnson likeable? Maybe he is and I'm just that out of touch with the vast majority of the country but just on a personality and looks point of view who could honestly look at Boris and think, yeah he's the man for me?
Wow. Exit poll suggest a massive Tory majority of 86.
Ha ha ha ha
Glad you find it funny. You're alright Jack.
It’s not funny as in funny, but you’ve got to admit it’s bizarre. I reckon about 90-95% of the noise on Facebook, Twitter and forums such as this is ‘anti Tory’, manipulating the backdrop with exaggerated guilting and shaming imo.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.
Labour is a disaster. There are two labours, the London one with a mix of largely comfortable champagne socialists / remainers and ethnic minorities, and then there is Labour outside of London. Traditional Labour, and that lot just don’t recognise or relate with Corbyn. This was on the wall 12 months ago. How an opposition who can’t make any inroads at all when the ruling party is in such disarray and doesn’t make any change only have themselves to blame.
The country desperately needs a strong opposition yet at best that looks years off.
Only real sad sad thing imo is the Scottish backing for the SNP, which given their poor actual performance is giving a big Scottish backing for independence (sadly for us Supporters of the union).
Can hardly blame the Scots and the SNP at this point. Have been treated like rubbish the last decade or so.
Will be interesting to see Sturgeon V Johnson off the back of this.
Wow. Exit poll suggest a massive Tory majority of 86.
Ha ha ha ha
Glad you find it funny. You're alright Jack.
It’s not funny as in funny, but you’ve got to admit it’s bizarre. I reckon about 90-95% of the noise on Facebook, Twitter and forums such as this is ‘anti Tory’, manipulating the backdrop with exaggerated guilting and shaming imo.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.
I think that's the issue, on here it may be mostly red, but go on other forums, particularly that are more national and it's a different story. Same as Facebook & Twitter, what percentage of people are actually on those platforms?
Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.
But that's exactly my point. Many people do care. A slick campaign with a slick leader and this would've been a cake walk for Labour.
Really just shows how out of touch they are.
Fair point about Corbyn but is Johnson likeable? Maybe he is and I'm just that out of touch with the vast majority of the country but just on a personality and looks point of view who could honestly look at Boris and think, yeah he's the man for me?
Not at all. Johnson is a twat. But it's about raising yourself well above his mark. And by leaving Corbyn in charge they failed miserably.
Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?
To some people lying to is more important. 17.4 Million people voted in 2016 to leave the EU....and then were denied their right. That makes people angry & not respected. Especially if they are told they didnt know what they were voting for.... .as if the people telling them that did & are superior.
Also lots of people in Leave areas have seen "immigrants" settle in their towns, taking their jobs & reducing wages. This influx of people also stretches infrastructure & local services. Not all the travails of the NHS is down to austerity.
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It's so, so sad
Great the EU bogeyman is gone, now when your life is still rubbish in two years time, what will the next excuse be?
We have the awful tories, followed by the absolute dregs. As people have said, hopefully this will mean the Labour party can progress and provide a meaningful opposition, it really shouldn't be difficult right now even if Brexit muddy the waters.
If those at the helm of Labour don't smell the coffee now then we really are in trouble politically.
Sad times, but hopefully the wake up call that's needed.
He doesn’t need to worry about Mogg and that lot now with that majority.
Queue the next constitutional crisis.
Will keep you all posted on the inevitable Johnny Foreigner comments I'll be getting in the next little while
Many people do care.
A slick campaign with a slick leader and this would've been a cake walk for Labour.
Really just shows how out of touch they are.
Divide and rule, the Conservative motto.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.
Labour is a disaster. There are two labours, the London one with a mix of largely comfortable champagne socialists / remainers and ethnic minorities, and then there is Labour outside of London. Traditional Labour, and that lot just don’t recognise or relate with Corbyn. This was on the wall 12 months ago. How an opposition who can’t make any inroads at all when the ruling party is in such disarray and doesn’t make any change only have themselves to blame.
The country desperately needs a strong opposition yet at best that looks years off.
Only real sad sad thing imo is the Scottish backing for the SNP, which given their poor actual performance is giving a big Scottish backing for independence (sadly for us Supporters of the union).
Will be interesting to see Sturgeon V Johnson off the back of this.
Also lots of people in Leave areas have seen "immigrants" settle in their towns, taking their jobs & reducing wages. This influx of people also stretches infrastructure & local services. Not all the travails of the NHS is down to austerity.