I've jus seen those pictures of the scrum in Oxford Street and the vast majority of them were BAME people, who are obviously not worried that they are more likely to be badly affected by Coronavirus.
I’ve given up worrying about what others do! If they want to put themselves at risk, fine! I’m looking after no1 and making sure that me and my family remain safe. If I need to go to a shop, I will go! But I’m going to make sure I stay at a safe distance and make sure people don’t get close to me.
I took this view about a month ago. Cu#@ts will be cu#@ts so look after yourselves and your family & friends. The narrative that this would make people change for the better was way off the mark (generally). All it's done is accentuate people's personalities. Kind people are kinder and selfish people are more selfish.
Can we tone down some of the rhetoric in here? You'd think from the last page it was only those from a BAME ethnic background that were not keeping 2m apart today. Plenty of pictures online of shops around the country with a wide range of ethnicities.
This isn't to defend anyone who isn't but everyone should be adhering to social distancing and I really don't understand those that were rushing down to go shopping today but there we go.
Can we tone down some of the rhetoric in here? You'd think from the last page it was only those from a BAME ethnic background that were not keeping 2m apart today. Plenty of pictures online of shops around the country with a wide range of ethnicities.
This isn't to defend anyone who isn't but everyone should be adhering to social distancing and I really don't understand those that were rushing down to go shopping today but there we go.
Out of interest, to which rhetoric are you referring? I’ve seen no exploitation of facts on here?
If you mean my post about the party, the home owners are my friends and thanked me for letting them know. And as you will see in the post to which it was linked, I also spoke about two white families.
Can we tone down some of the rhetoric in here? You'd think from the last page it was only those from a BAME ethnic background that were not keeping 2m apart today. Plenty of pictures online of shops around the country with a wide range of ethnicities.
This isn't to defend anyone who isn't but everyone should be adhering to social distancing and I really don't understand those that were rushing down to go shopping today but there we go.
Out of interest, to which rhetoric are you referring? I’ve seen no exploitation of facts on here?
If you mean my post about the party, the home owners are my friends and thanked me for letting them know. And as you will see in the post to which it was linked, I also spoke about two white families.
Can we tone down some of the rhetoric in here? You'd think from the last page it was only those from a BAME ethnic background that were not keeping 2m apart today. Plenty of pictures online of shops around the country with a wide range of ethnicities.
This isn't to defend anyone who isn't but everyone should be adhering to social distancing and I really don't understand those that were rushing down to go shopping today but there we go.
Nobody is suggesting that they are the only group to fail to observe the social distancing rules. However you would expect that a group that has been found to be more at risk of the effects of Coronavirus, to take more care than those in the queue outside Nike Town are exhibiting.
I’m definitely in the easing of restrictions camp but two things worry me 1. peoples selfish attitudes and ignorance to the rules 2. pubs opening
@Spitfire76 has stated that he will only be opening for food and drink and two weeks after everyone else which is good. I’m worried about the ‘it’s my right to spend 4 hours in Wetherspoons getting beefed up and cuddling anyone in sight’ attitude.
The pubs are going to b a nightmare , I’m a free house so I do as I please so am able to run as safe/quiet or unsafe/busy as I want and I’m choosing safe & quiet, we may now be open up to a month after the rest or still two weeks we will decide after everyone is open , the home delivery we have being doing the past 3 months went far better than expected & this takes any pressure off us having to try & ram it from day 1.
The great bit is mrs spitfire insists I visit as many pubs as possible between them & us opening to learn what I can & see their mistakes so it’s a socially distanced pub crawl for a couple of weeks!
The managed houses especially will be under pressure to perform, it’s easy to bark orders from a. head office afar without having to deal with the consequences on the shop floor ,the manager will have a lot less control than a free house over his own safety or his staff ,they will b like the Tesco staff with little ppe & social distancing in place & no money available to employ people to control it properly, after all these losses there weekly targets will be not far short of pre lockdown being as that was feb/March & July/august are the key months . I could be wrong & usually am but I think it will be better handled in the smaller independent places than the bigger chains , a lot of them from greene king to Wetherspoons have some nice promo vids of all that they r doing & they are shouting out good things but so were the supermarkets & ultimately it was left down to the public to negotiate the idiots & if you think there were some idiots in the supermarket wait till u c the pubs the first weekend after the goons have been pent up for 3 months.
I didn’t realise u were from Dover Todd’s ,I used to live in the elephant & hind (think it’s now a different name) in the market square mid eighties & the nelson & Britannia round the corner , worked P&O doing Dover-Calais for a year in mid nineties but not been back since, once lockdowns over I wana do a tour of Kent to see the old pubs from whitstable ,Dover & Canterbury there were some great boozers down that way .
That's what most of us know is going to happen. My local weirdly havent been doing home delivery but they don't really have a USP of very good food or doing any interesting drinks so the smaller, independent places or more organised places have been doing at least.
I could stand as a toilet monitor in there and I guarantee at max 1 out of 20 people would wash their hands after using the toilet for shit or piss. Table service, perspex screens and apps are not for me so I'll be holding off until either the virus has disappeared or there is an actual treatment that doesn't involve me or a loved one possibly playing the ventilator lottery that some people I know including dear old Seb have lost.
I'm actually pretty sad about the queues for primark and Nike Town, it's like something that would happen in an episode of black mirror.
That's what most of us know is going to happen. My local weirdly havent been doing home delivery but they don't really have a USP of very good food or doing any interesting drinks so the smaller, independent places or more organised places have been doing at least.
I could stand as a toilet monitor in there and I guarantee at max 1 out of 20 people would wash their hands after using the toilet for shit or piss. Table service, perspex screens and apps are not for me so I'll be holding off until either the virus has disappeared or there is an actual treatment that doesn't involve me or a loved one possibly playing the ventilator lottery that some people I know including dear old Seb have lost.
I'm actually pretty sad about the queues for primark and Nike Town, it's like something that would happen in an episode of black mirror.
Plenty will stay in till this time next year when a vaccine may be available & that’s understandable for some that’s why we are going to carry on with our home delivery service for cook at home meals & we now have an outside food collection point where people will be able to pick up hot takeaway dishes & drinks without entering the pub but for those wanting to come in we will make sure it as safe as possible, it’s in our own interest to make it so as without customer confidence it just won’t work & the pub will close , a staff member (they will be temperature checked with infrared b4 each shift) catches it & that’s the rest of staff quarantined & the pub will close , I will be there everyday so I will make sure I do everything I can to stay safe or the pub will close . It’s in every operators own interests to take every measure to make it safe & as enjoyable as possible .
Can we tone down some of the rhetoric in here? You'd think from the last page it was only those from a BAME ethnic background that were not keeping 2m apart today. Plenty of pictures online of shops around the country with a wide range of ethnicities.
This isn't to defend anyone who isn't but everyone should be adhering to social distancing and I really don't understand those that were rushing down to go shopping today but there we go.
I guess you may be referring to my comment but why should I tone it down. Yes there are pictures and videos doing the rounds of all ethnicities social distancing however there are also a great deal of photos and videos showing the BAME group totally disregarding the rules.
There is a great deal of evidence out there stating that the BAME group are more likely to catch Covid 19, be serisoly ill from Covid 19 and die from Covid 19 and all of these examples put a huge pressure on our NHS and staff who are just recovering from being on the front line.
I want my grandchildren to be able to return to school to continue their eductaion, I want my wife who suffers from asthma to be able to go out confidently and enjoy the things she used to do, I want my gym to re-open, I want to go back to work as I am currently furloughed, I want my sister in law to be able to go to work without the fear of dying becuase she is a paramedic on an ambulance.
My opinion is that I think all of the people, BAME & White marching in city's are selfish, my opinion is all of the people outside the Nike Store are selfish and are totally disregarding social distancing rules, and this opion also spreads to the thousands of selfish pricks caught at the illegal raves in Manchester over the weekend and who have been packing our beaches out.
A second wave of Covid 19 in the UK could cripple the NHS and the country as a whole however looking at the photos of beaches, city marches and shoppers it is clearly lost on them. I am not putting the blame entirely on the BAME group but they certainly make up a large number of people attending all the examples I have mentioned.
I’m definitely in the easing of restrictions camp but two things worry me 1. peoples selfish attitudes and ignorance to the rules 2. pubs opening
@Spitfire76 has stated that he will only be opening for food and drink and two weeks after everyone else which is good. I’m worried about the ‘it’s my right to spend 4 hours in Wetherspoons getting beefed up and cuddling anyone in sight’ attitude.
The pubs are going to b a nightmare , I’m a free house so I do as I please so am able to run as safe/quiet or unsafe/busy as I want and I’m choosing safe & quiet, we may now be open up to a month after the rest or still two weeks we will decide after everyone is open , the home delivery we have being doing the past 3 months went far better than expected & this takes any pressure off us having to try & ram it from day 1.
The great bit is mrs spitfire insists I visit as many pubs as possible between them & us opening to learn what I can & see their mistakes so it’s a socially distanced pub crawl for a couple of weeks!
The managed houses especially will be under pressure to perform, it’s easy to bark orders from a. head office afar without having to deal with the consequences on the shop floor ,the manager will have a lot less control than a free house over his own safety or his staff ,they will b like the Tesco staff with little ppe & social distancing in place & no money available to employ people to control it properly, after all these losses there weekly targets will be not far short of pre lockdown being as that was feb/March & July/august are the key months . I could be wrong & usually am but I think it will be better handled in the smaller independent places than the bigger chains , a lot of them from greene king to Wetherspoons have some nice promo vids of all that they r doing & they are shouting out good things but so were the supermarkets & ultimately it was left down to the public to negotiate the idiots & if you think there were some idiots in the supermarket wait till u c the pubs the first weekend after the goons have been pent up for 3 months.
I didn’t realise u were from Dover Todd’s ,I used to live in the elephant & hind (think it’s now a different name) in the market square mid eighties & the nelson & Britannia round the corner , worked P&O doing Dover-Calais for a year in mid nineties but not been back since, once lockdowns over I wana do a tour of Kent to see the old pubs from whitstable ,Dover & Canterbury there were some great boozers down that way .
That makes sense and good advice, I’ll go for my first pint as a free man in a free house rather than a chain to avoid the mayhem.
i hope you didn’t spend ages typing about Dover.....I was there working! Bexleyheath born and bred!
the nearest town to me is Dartford, it can be very easy to social distance in some Dartford pubs if the timing is right
I imagine that it will be mainly the younger crowd who will be flocking to the pub once the restrictions are lifted, with many older customer more wary.
Ahh lol I know darford but not been out there much used to go clubbing in Rochester a bit when I was down that way , there’s not many counties south of bucks I’ve not lived in a pub in lol
So the government ban all protests of 6 people or more and people are kicking off about there freedoms etc, the schools going back etc blame blame blame - what do people propose we do with without teachers as a lot are refusing to go back? We don’t have people we can rush through uni in a couple of weeks 🙄🙄, the 2 metre rule people want relaxed issue is like everything people don’t stick to exactly 2m drop it to 1m people will get even closer.
biggest issue with it is a lot of people don’t know anyone personally that has died from it all Charlton fans do!.
Can we tone down some of the rhetoric in here? You'd think from the last page it was only those from a BAME ethnic background that were not keeping 2m apart today. Plenty of pictures online of shops around the country with a wide range of ethnicities.
This isn't to defend anyone who isn't but everyone should be adhering to social distancing and I really don't understand those that were rushing down to go shopping today but there we go.
I guess you may be referring to my comment but why should I tone it down. Yes there are pictures and videos doing the rounds of all ethnicities social distancing however there are also a great deal of photos and videos showing the BAME group totally disregarding the rules.
There is a great deal of evidence out there stating that the BAME group are more likely to catch Covid 19, be serisoly ill from Covid 19 and die from Covid 19 and all of these examples put a huge pressure on our NHS and staff who are just recovering from being on the front line.
I want my grandchildren to be able to return to school to continue their eductaion, I want my wife who suffers from asthma to be able to go out confidently and enjoy the things she used to do, I want my gym to re-open, I want to go back to work as I am currently furloughed, I want my sister in law to be able to go to work without the fear of dying becuase she is a paramedic on an ambulance.
My opinion is that I think all of the people, BAME & White marching in city's are selfish, my opinion is all of the people outside the Nike Store are selfish and are totally disregarding social distancing rules, and this opion also spreads to the thousands of selfish pricks caught at the illegal raves in Manchester over the weekend and who have been packing our beaches out.
A second wave of Covid 19 in the UK could cripple the NHS and the country as a whole however looking at the photos of beaches, city marches and shoppers it is clearly lost on them. I am not putting the blame entirely on the BAME group but they certainly make up a large number of people attending all the examples I have mentioned.
Well to clarify a few inaccuracies. BAME groups aren't more likely to catch COVID, we all as likely to catch it but yes they are more likely to become ill from it but I suspect these people's wellbeings aren't at the top of your priorities.
So far (thankfully) there has been no evidence or indication of this second wave. Hopefully it continues but it's slightly disingenuous to blame a group of people for something that hasn't happened yet.
Numerous times in this thread you have stated "all lives matter". Your post on the last page was quite close to the mark, "poor souls" seems to me quite a mocking term. This place has had it's issues with people debating race and religion in the past, I try my best to not get drawn in to it but these sort of sly comments should not go ignored.
If you want to criticise anyone breaking the rules we have in place then great go for it I completely agree with you. If you want to target criticism at a particular group of people (numerous times) then sorry but that's not on and you should be called out on it. You also seem to be quite angry towards these groups and only when I have posted a request for the anti BAME posts to calm down have you then been "fairer" in your criticism in your post above, from what I can see all your previous posts in the thread have focussed on the BLM protests and those queuing outside Niketown.
Hearing rumours of fans being allowed in from September and the number of 5000 being banded around, wonder how that would work with season tickets etc as would it be the 1st 5000 to purchase are allowed in.
Hearing rumours of fans being allowed in from September and the number of 5000 being banded around, wonder how that would work with season tickets etc as would it be the 1st 5 to purchase are allowed in.
Hearing Sue Parkes gets the final say on who gets one of the tickets
Hearing rumours of fans being allowed in from September and the number of 5000 being banded around, wonder how that would work with season tickets etc as would it be the 1st 5000 to purchase are allowed in.
Yeah there was a post related to this a few pages back and a rumour from Dr kish.. guessing home fans only and spread around the ground.
Hearing rumours of fans being allowed in from September and the number of 5000 being banded around, wonder how that would work with season tickets etc as would it be the 1st 5000 to purchase are allowed in.
I should imagine Charlton started that rumour after low S/T sales
If the attendance is to be limited I would presume they will still stream the games?
Allowing some fans and excluding others is going to cause issues (as seen on another thread)
If there is going to be a limit I wouldn’t be surprised if the club were to use it as a selling tactic to get cash in.
The games have always been streamed before COVID-19 (and pretty much the same cost as now with a marginal discount due to the situation).
They have been screened but not at 3pm on a Saturday in the UK only for fans abroad. Sorry I should have been clearer.
You won’t previously have been able to watch The Saturday games officially unless you are watching on a VPN and the club believes You were based abroad.
Just read this on The Times, fingers crossed this one goes ahead as it means il be able to get back to my normal working week for the first time in 3 months.
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Cu#@ts will be cu#@ts so look after yourselves and your family & friends.
The narrative that this would make people change for the better was way off the mark (generally).
All it's done is accentuate people's personalities.
Kind people are kinder and selfish people are more selfish.
This isn't to defend anyone who isn't but everyone should be adhering to social distancing and I really don't understand those that were rushing down to go shopping today but there we go.
Those book reading scumbags
The great bit is mrs spitfire insists I visit as many pubs as possible between them & us opening to learn what I can & see their mistakes so it’s a socially distanced pub crawl for a couple of weeks!
The managed houses especially will be under pressure to perform, it’s easy to bark orders from a. head office afar without having to deal with the consequences on the shop floor ,the manager will have a lot less control than a free house over his own safety or his staff ,they will b like the Tesco staff with little ppe & social distancing in place & no money available to employ people to control it properly, after all these losses there weekly targets will be not far short of pre lockdown being as that was feb/March & July/august are the key months
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I could be wrong & usually am but I think it will be better handled in the smaller independent places than the bigger chains , a lot of them from greene king to Wetherspoons have some nice promo vids of all that they r doing & they are shouting out good things but so were the supermarkets & ultimately it was left down to the public to negotiate the idiots & if you think there were some idiots in the supermarket wait till u c the pubs the first weekend after the goons have been pent up for 3 months.
I didn’t realise u were from Dover Todd’s ,I used to live in the elephant & hind (think it’s now a different name) in the market square mid eighties & the nelson & Britannia round the corner , worked P&O doing Dover-Calais for a year in mid nineties but not been back since, once lockdowns over I wana do a tour of Kent to see the old pubs from whitstable ,Dover & Canterbury there were some great boozers down that way .
I could stand as a toilet monitor in there and I guarantee at max 1 out of 20 people would wash their hands after using the toilet for shit or piss. Table service, perspex screens and apps are not for me so I'll be holding off until either the virus has disappeared or there is an actual treatment that doesn't involve me or a loved one possibly playing the ventilator lottery that some people I know including dear old Seb have lost.
I'm actually pretty sad about the queues for primark and Nike Town, it's like something that would happen in an episode of black mirror.
There is a great deal of evidence out there stating that the BAME group are more likely to catch Covid 19, be serisoly ill from Covid 19 and die from Covid 19 and all of these examples put a huge pressure on our NHS and staff who are just recovering from being on the front line.
I want my grandchildren to be able to return to school to continue their eductaion, I want my wife who suffers from asthma to be able to go out confidently and enjoy the things she used to do, I want my gym to re-open, I want to go back to work as I am currently furloughed, I want my sister in law to be able to go to work without the fear of dying becuase she is a paramedic on an ambulance.
My opinion is that I think all of the people, BAME & White marching in city's are selfish, my opinion is all of the people outside the Nike Store are selfish and are totally disregarding social distancing rules, and this opion also spreads to the thousands of selfish pricks caught at the illegal raves in Manchester over the weekend and who have been packing our beaches out.
A second wave of Covid 19 in the UK could cripple the NHS and the country as a whole however looking at the photos of beaches, city marches and shoppers it is clearly lost on them. I am not putting the blame entirely on the BAME group but they certainly make up a large number of people attending all the examples I have mentioned.
i hope you didn’t spend ages typing about Dover.....I was there working! Bexleyheath born and bred!
the nearest town to me is Dartford, it can be very easy to social distance in some Dartford pubs if the timing is right
That may impact on which pubs survive.
the 2 metre rule people want relaxed issue is like everything people don’t stick to exactly 2m drop it to 1m people will get even closer.
biggest issue with it is a lot of people don’t know anyone personally that has died from it all Charlton fans do!.
So far (thankfully) there has been no evidence or indication of this second wave. Hopefully it continues but it's slightly disingenuous to blame a group of people for something that hasn't happened yet.
Numerous times in this thread you have stated "all lives matter". Your post on the last page was quite close to the mark, "poor souls" seems to me quite a mocking term. This place has had it's issues with people debating race and religion in the past, I try my best to not get drawn in to it but these sort of sly comments should not go ignored.
If you want to criticise anyone breaking the rules we have in place then great go for it I completely agree with you. If you want to target criticism at a particular group of people (numerous times) then sorry but that's not on and you should be called out on it. You also seem to be quite angry towards these groups and only when I have posted a request for the anti BAME posts to calm down have you then been "fairer" in your criticism in your post above, from what I can see all your previous posts in the thread have focussed on the BLM protests and those queuing outside Niketown.
If there is going to be a limit I wouldn’t be surprised if the club were to use it as a selling tactic to get cash in.
Or we are all delivering shopping at unsociable work hours so wont be able to attend saturday or evening kick offs