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Alex Gilbey - Re-signed for MK Dons (p37)
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Alternatively, he may have thought he would be better served watching the U23 & U18 games.Starinnaddick said:Apparently Garner has been working his way through the videos of every game from last season. Will make his own mind up which players he wants to keep.0 -
Agree, is Gilbey an average L1 player consistently playing at his level with the occasional great performance, or an inconsistent top L1 player struggling to reach the level he’s capable of?Chunes said:For me, I think the fact he's had 2-3 good games stands against him, not for him. A team needs consistent performers. Just as we need strikers who score consistently, and defenders who don't consistently make mistakes, we need midfielders who consistently turn up and run games. We can't be saying "Well he ran 2-3 games out of the last 2 seasons, must be worth keeping."
The longer he’s been here the more I see him as closer to the former.
Moving to a possession style is another reason to move him on if we can. I can’t see anyone arguing his strengths are his touch, range of passing, composure and decision making. For that reason I think Morgan is more likely to do well under Garner. If we’re serious about promotion I don’t see room for both. The likes of Henry and Anderson may be pushing for a chance too and could fit the style given the academy teams already play a similar way.
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Benjy Nurick wrote a very good article/interview with Alex Gilbey, around Easter last year - in which Gilbey openly discussed his injuries, Bowyer and the role Adkins had given him. It really is a good read.thenewbie said:
Possibly not but that's possibly as much on Bowyer as Gilbey. If you look at the off the field stress and struggle Gilbey has admitted to, I'm not convinced Bowyer's style of management would do anyone in that position much good.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe, there was certainly a reason Bowyer didn't play him.. Not sure they saw eye to eye..Swisdom said:I wonder if Gilbey maybe isn’t a great influence on his team mates. Maybe there’s some issue behind the scenes
frustrating player as he has shown flashes but isnt consistent for me
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/hes-very-different-analysing-what-alex-gilbey-brings-to-this-charlton-team-with-the-help-of-conor-washington/
Remember, when he first signed he put in very decent performances with an assist and a shot from distance which crashed against the bar, against a freshly promoted Crewe and a Doncaster side that was heavily involved in that season's promotion race, until they went into a late tail spin. Achilles injury in training kept him out of the team for a long period and when he finally returned to a now struggling team, Bowyer played him out of position wide, before dropping him completely. Gilbey tells us exactly what that did for his form and confidence.
Bowyer departs and Adkins comes in and we see a resurgent Alex Gilbey in a new formation, playing his own position ..... he became a key part of the team's return to form, scoring 3 goals in those 10 games - which saw us miss out on the playoffs on only goal difference.
And there was his Covid:
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/i-was-scared-charlton-midfielder-alex-gilbey-opens-up-about-contracting-covid-19/
It puts a lot of things in context.
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I've been thinking, of course Alex Gilbey is best mates with Conor Washington, they've played together at a few clubs.soapboxsam said:Sage has the advantage over me as he has spoken to Alex Gilbey. I had no handle on his personality and idiosyncrasies. so far from having a straw brain which he showed with his two crazy pointless Yellow cards against Lincoln in the first half it sounds like he is a deep thinker and is analytical about his own performances.
This won't be Ben Garner's decision ( if correct ?) because .......
Just wondering if there's any connection with Washington's issues behind the scenes and leaving under a cloud ...... and Gilbey apparently told that he can leave?
Best mates tend to stick up for each other, don't they?
Of course, 2 + 2 = whatever. Just my own little conspiracy theory, naturally.
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Which clubs did they both play together at?0
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I reckon that watching all the games including cups and extra time etc. would come to about 3 x 24 hour days, say 9 working days .. could be done, but unlikely, and it'd take a brave man to put up with many miserable hoursmendonca said:Anybody think he might have watched highlights rather that full games?
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Charlton and Newport (where Gilbey was on loan for about a month and a half).Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?5 - Sponsored links:
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Newport.Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/hes-very-different-analysing-what-alex-gilbey-brings-to-this-charlton-team-with-the-help-of-conor-washington/
Is this the same article the @Oggy Red quoted from?2 -
Yep, that's the one.Cafc43v3r said:
Newport.Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/hes-very-different-analysing-what-alex-gilbey-brings-to-this-charlton-team-with-the-help-of-conor-washington/
Is this the same article the @Oggy Red quoted from?
Cheers.1 -
Sorry I thought it wasOggy Red said:
Yep, that's the one.Cafc43v3r said:
Newport.Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/hes-very-different-analysing-what-alex-gilbey-brings-to-this-charlton-team-with-the-help-of-conor-washington/
Is this the same article the @Oggy Red quoted from?
Cheers.0 -
Gilbey, Washington, Stockley, Aneke...all have quite moody on field personas. Probably0
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What the bloody hell you on about now?addick1956 said:
Welcome manager. Why did TS select BG when you are available.cafcfan1990 said:
Indeed. Although he was also a League 1 player of the year back in 2016 with Colchester. That’s what got his move to the Championship with Wigan. Think that’s the problem, he’s just not progressed, he looked like a player who would go on to be a Championship regular. He’s a low league 1 player, will be fine as 6th choice but we can’t have him and Morgan in the same promotion winning squad.Chunes said:
Did not realise one of them was in L2.Richard J said:I am in two minds about Gilbey.
For context lets remember that one of his Poty awards for Mkd was in a relegated team and the other in L2 although they were promoted.
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As above the 2019 season was in League 2. Colchester were also relegated in 2016 and MK only just about avoided relegation in 2020 (19th). Was it a case of he just ran around a lot in poor teams so the fans liked him?Chris_from_Sidcup said:In 15/16 he was Colchester's POTY, and then as we know in 18/19 and 19/20 he was MK Dons POTY twice.
So 3 times in 5 seasons, he was POTY for a club playing at our level. He therefore absolutely can't be as bad as we've seen, so for me something is clearly wrong elsewhere.0 -
Dear me, mate. Talk about trying your best to belittle a player's actual achievements.cafcfan1990 said:
As above the 2019 season was in League 2. Colchester were also relegated in 2016 and MK only just about avoided relegation in 2020 (19th). Was it a case of he just ran around a lot in poor teams so the fans liked him?Chris_from_Sidcup said:In 15/16 he was Colchester's POTY, and then as we know in 18/19 and 19/20 he was MK Dons POTY twice.
So 3 times in 5 seasons, he was POTY for a club playing at our level. He therefore absolutely can't be as bad as we've seen, so for me something is clearly wrong elsewhere.
He won 3 POTY and a young POTY awards, that's 4 in 6 seasons.
The player evidently earned and deserved them. Credit where it's due, eh?
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I'm no fan of Gilbey's overall contribution in his time with us so far
We've seen enough to know he has athleticism and ability
We've seen enough to know he doesn't routinely deliver both and fades out of games for long periods
He is capable and he is a known quantity
If we are able to recruit sufficient players to improve us beyond what he provides then selling him will make sense, disposing of him before that would be cavalier indeed0 -
I'm not trying to belittle him. I've backed Gilbey previously and there's plenty on here who think a lot less of him than I do.Oggy Red said:
Dear me, mate. Talk about trying your best to belittle a player's actual achievements.cafcfan1990 said:
As above the 2019 season was in League 2. Colchester were also relegated in 2016 and MK only just about avoided relegation in 2020 (19th). Was it a case of he just ran around a lot in poor teams so the fans liked him?Chris_from_Sidcup said:In 15/16 he was Colchester's POTY, and then as we know in 18/19 and 19/20 he was MK Dons POTY twice.
So 3 times in 5 seasons, he was POTY for a club playing at our level. He therefore absolutely can't be as bad as we've seen, so for me something is clearly wrong elsewhere.
He won 3 POTY and a young POTY awards, that's 4 in 6 seasons.
The player evidently earned and deserved them. Credit where it's due, eh?
The facts are that Gilbey has been a League 1 POTY on two occasions aned both times they were for struggling sides who finished in the bottom 6. If we're talking League 1 promotion, those achievements don't really mean much IMO.
As for evidently earning and deserving them, I wouldn't know as I don't regularly watch Colchester or MK Dons. I presume you're the same? Either way, what he done then is completely irrelevant. He's not been good enough in the two years as a Charlton player.2 -
He's been crap for 2 seasons and his red card against Lincoln was one the stupidest I've ever seen. Get rid.1
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Football is filled with examples of good players not working out at certain clubs.1
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And certain players not working out at good clubs.0
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Seen others make the Morgan comparison and saying they’d rather keep Gilbey. For me, there are a few reasons that I think Gilbey should be the one offloaded, if possible.Callumcafc said:Really had high hopes when he signed but he’s just been a serial disappointment really. If we can get any kind of six figure offer for him, we should take it.
Build next season’s midfield around Dobson, JFC, Fraser, Morgan and two new faces.
- Both are out of contract next summer I believe. But I would expect we could get a fee for AG, even if it’s nominal. We’ve previously seen that Morgan couldn’t find a loan deal, let alone someone who’ll pay money for him.
- I would imagine that Gilbey is on a higher wage than Morgan but that could be incorrect (unlikely). If one is to be kept as back-up, better to keep the cheaper of the two so more money can be reinvested elsewhere.
- Gilbey’s qualities are in his box-to-box, lung busting runs and I struggle to see how he would be useful in a possession based style of play that I expect Garner to implement. Albie has him beat from a technique / passing perspective which will be important when he is called upon.
Gilbey’s stamina would’ve been a big asset in a high press team of seasons gone by but today’s pressing is a lot more calculated, using triggers and traps for teams to know when to press and when to hold position. It’s not beyond a player with less stamina like Albie to make it. It leaves a bloke who probably wins the bleep test with his eyes closed less valuable than he would’ve been 10-20 years ago.
I was excited when AG signed but it hasn’t panned out in two years. I don’t want us to go into a third hoping he comes good in a system that doesn’t suit.2 -
Sorry mate I dont understand the logic behind that. So we can probably get some club to take Gilbey on a free but we cant even give Albie away so keep him ? I'm not saying Gilbey should stay or go as tbh I'm not sure but you are comparing a player who has 4 POTS awards to another that cannot be given away ffs.Callumcafc said:
Seen others make the Morgan comparison and saying they’d rather keep Gilbey. For me, there are a few reasons that I think Gilbey should be the one offloaded, if possible.Callumcafc said:Really had high hopes when he signed but he’s just been a serial disappointment really. If we can get any kind of six figure offer for him, we should take it.
Build next season’s midfield around Dobson, JFC, Fraser, Morgan and two new faces.
- Both are out of contract next summer I believe. But I would expect we could get a fee for AG, even if it’s nominal. We’ve previously seen that Morgan couldn’t find a loan deal, let alone someone who’ll pay money for him.
- I would imagine that Gilbey is on a higher wage than Morgan but that could be incorrect (unlikely). If one is to be kept as back-up, better to keep the cheaper of the two so more money can be reinvested elsewhere.
- Gilbey’s qualities are in his box-to-box, lung busting runs and I struggle to see how he would be useful in a possession based style of play that I expect Garner to implement. Albie has him beat from a technique / passing perspective which will be important when he is called upon.
Gilbey’s stamina would’ve been a big asset in a high press team of seasons gone by but today’s pressing is a lot more calculated, using triggers and traps for teams to know when to press and when to hold position. It’s not beyond a player with less stamina like Albie to make it. It leaves a bloke who probably wins the bleep test with his eyes closed less valuable than he would’ve been 10-20 years ago.
I was excited when AG signed but it hasn’t panned out in two years. I don’t want us to go into a third hoping he comes good in a system that doesn’t suit.
This biggest wind up for me during the transfer windows is always the will Albie step up lol. Nice lad yup but footballer ? Nope. If he is literally anywhere near the starting squad this season we are in trouble imo. Or if he is and he is anything like competitive looking like be belongs then Garner truly is the new Messia 😂😂😂0 -
I don't rate Albie particularly highly either, like Gilbey he has had plenty of chances, but unless we are ripping out the entire squad and getting both off the books is an option, that's where I lean.
The logic is keeping the cheap option might seem twisted if it wasn't also the case that AM's strengths fit better with how I expect Garner to want to play.
If we can bring in two top class midfielders to compete, I don't mind the idea of Albie being sixth choice. We are on the hunt for ball players and that's the one thing he has going for him.
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I think it was the Mental Well-balling podcast where they both mentioned being best friends and they both agreed to join us when they knew we were under an embargo etc. because of the ESI idiots... Think it was a "if you do, I will" sort of deal they both had with each other as they wanted to play together again.Scoham said:
Charlton and Newport (where Gilbey was on loan for about a month and a half).Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?2 -
I would sell Gilbey and loan Morgan out. Morgan has been 4th/5th/6th choice for years now and he isn’t getting any better by being in and out of the team. Send him to league 2 (he’d definitely get a move at that level) and get him playing 40 games as a starter. JFC, Dobson, Fraser plus 2 new signings and then Henry as 6th choice. Morgan is old enough to count towards the squad numbers cap now so no point having him here as 6th choice using up a spotCallumcafc said:I don't rate Albie particularly highly either, like Gilbey he has had plenty of chances, but unless we are ripping out the entire squad and getting both off the books is an option, that's where I lean.
The logic is keeping the cheap option might seem twisted if it wasn't also the case that AM's strengths fit better with how I expect Garner to want to play.
If we can bring in two top class midfielders to compete, I don't mind the idea of Albie being sixth choice. We are on the hunt for ball players and that's the one thing he has going for him.0 -
Well that spell is broken. Unless Rotherham lose their fucking minds995632 said:
I think it was the Mental Well-balling podcast where they both mentioned being best friends and they both agreed to join us when they knew we were under an embargo etc. because of the ESI idiots... Think it was a "if you do, I will" sort of deal they both had with each other as they wanted to play together again.Scoham said:
Charlton and Newport (where Gilbey was on loan for about a month and a half).Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?4 -
The player who kept him out the side has just left.............Leuth said:
Well that spell is broken. Unless Rotherham lose their fucking minds995632 said:
I think it was the Mental Well-balling podcast where they both mentioned being best friends and they both agreed to join us when they knew we were under an embargo etc. because of the ESI idiots... Think it was a "if you do, I will" sort of deal they both had with each other as they wanted to play together again.Scoham said:
Charlton and Newport (where Gilbey was on loan for about a month and a half).Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?0 -
The pact and their choice to come here makes it read like they were a couple of teenage girls who decided to both go and get their ears piercedLeuth said:
Well that spell is broken. Unless Rotherham lose their fucking minds995632 said:
I think it was the Mental Well-balling podcast where they both mentioned being best friends and they both agreed to join us when they knew we were under an embargo etc. because of the ESI idiots... Think it was a "if you do, I will" sort of deal they both had with each other as they wanted to play together again.Scoham said:
Charlton and Newport (where Gilbey was on loan for about a month and a half).Covered End said:Which clubs did they both play together at?
“I’ll go to Charlton if you will. But what about ESI? Don’t worry, they can’t hurt us, if we stay together”8
