Was that her work? I thought someone else had already claimed it.
@Pico tried to claim it, but very tongue in cheek.
I've got a bone to pick with you H, I had a heart tremour when the judge was summing up you was painting a bleak picture ! I don't pay my fiver for that! 😉.
To be fair it did look bloody bleak! Think the judge might have been enjoying the drama.
You'd feel for Bowyer after reading that interview, he must have a serious love of the club to not have walked away, we all know it's s tough for the fans but God only knows what it must be like for him, JJ and Gallen.
He deserves some stability and support
As does pretty much every other member of staff at The Valley and Sparrows Lane. Let's hope it's not long in coming now.
Was that her work? I thought someone else had already claimed it.
@Pico tried to claim it, but very tongue in cheek.
I've got a bone to pick with you H, I had a heart tremour when the judge was summing up you was painting a bleak picture ! I don't pay my fiver for that! 😉.
To be fair it did look bloody bleak! Think the judge might have been enjoying the drama.
I was of course jesting and there was plenty of fans watching live of the same opinion, including my son. And also to be fair Weegie wasn't wearing her Trust hat.
Was that her work? I thought someone else had already claimed it.
@Pico tried to claim it, but very tongue in cheek.
I've got a bone to pick with you H, I had a heart tremour when the judge was summing up you was painting a bleak picture ! I don't pay my fiver for that! 😉.
Beat me to it RC. I came back from my weekly walking group to see it was still going & our Weegie doing her best impression of Private Frazer 😳 To say I nearly had a cure for @ElfsborgAddick is an understatement 😩😩
The way these crooks rode into town with the attitude they had, especially the sneering attitude to our club and fans, special phones, threats to sue, sacking people on the spot, slippery name changes and company shareholder manoevers and what not. If there needs to be and example of arrogant people overestimating their own capabilities and underestimating others this is it. A poster above who had the advantage of viewing the proceedings commented on Chaisty's body language and behaviour when Lauren was making her case, and it reads to me to be far worse than a few heartfelt Anglo Saxon interjections by committed fans. For once yesterday the good guys actually won. Thanks to the Judge and to Lauren. It has been said that the chancers choose the wrong club messing with Charlton fans, does anybody out there need any more proof?
Regardless of what Judge Pearce said in his summing up, reckon he had a mental note of what went on before and possibly had them down to lose before a word was even mutered.
Apologies if this has already been explained but to be clear, even if Elliot takes this to trial the outcome will have no bearing on the club?
Not as long as it's been sold by then. It will essentially be a civil matter between PE, CF, Nimer, Southall etc. Let the pricks fight amongst themselves.
Only issue (I see it being hugely unlikely) is if Panorama Magic/Nimer/Southall are still owners in a couple of months. Once TS has bought us, we should be (fingers crossed) free to move on.
The way these crooks rode into town with the attitude they had, especially the sneering attitude to our club and fans, special phones, threats to sue, sacking people on the spot, slippery name changes and company shareholder manoevers and what not. If there needs to be and example of arrogant people overestimating their own capabilities and underestimating others this is it. A poster above who had the advantage of viewing the proceedings commented on Chaisty's body language and behaviour when Lauren was making her case, and it reads to me to be far worse than a few heartfelt Anglo Saxon interjections by committed fans. For once yesterday the good guys actually won. Thanks to the Judge and to Lauren. It has been said that the chancers choose the wrong club messing with Charlton fans, does anybody out there need any more proof?
While I sympathise with your sentiment, someone moving about, coughing and puffing their cheeks is not quite the same as people shouting "c*nt" during High Court proceedings. And to say that the former is worse than the latter is... a reach! I thought the interruptions were utterly embarrassing to be honest. Those people shouldn't be surprised if the Old Bill knock on their door.
Apologies all, esp @RedChaser and @KBslittlesis but it really didn't sound good!! You should be used to my natural doom and gloom on a match thread by now - I like to think of myself as runner-up to @oohaahmortimer in the "prepare for the worst" stakes.
Is there anything to stop Nimer selling his 65% to Thomas for a quid, Southall gets dragged along ? Thomas agrees a seperate side deal with Nimer to compensate him personally "undisclosed" of course. Southall gets bugger all, Elliot may be entitled to 32p if he wants to fight for it! Is such a deal legal? If not I imagine there must be a way of quietly arranging such a deal !
Apologies if this has already been explained but to be clear, even if Elliot takes this to trial the outcome will have no bearing on the club?
Not as long as it's been sold by then. It will essentially be a civil matter between PE, CF, Nimer, Southall etc. Let the pricks fight amongst themselves.
Only issue (I see it being hugely unlikely) is if Panorama Magic/Nimer/Southall are still owners in a couple of months. Once TS has bought us, we should be (fingers crossed) free to move on.
Is there anything to stop Nimer selling his 65% to Thomas for a quid, Southall gets dragged along ? Thomas agrees a seperate side deal with Nimer to compensate him personally "undisclosed" of course. Southall gets bugger all, Elliot may be entitled to 32p if he wants to fight for it! Is such a deal legal? If not I imagine there must be a way of quietly arranging such a deal !
But why, as it's making out in some way as if Nimer is the "good guy" and deserves nice treatment along the way to his final goodbye? His cooperation and input yesterday spoke volumes.
Is there anything to stop Nimer selling his 65% to Thomas for a quid, Southall gets dragged along ? Thomas agrees a seperate side deal with Nimer to compensate him personally "undisclosed" of course. Southall gets bugger all, Elliot may be entitled to 32p if he wants to fight for it! Is such a deal legal? If not I imagine there must be a way of quietly arranging such a deal !
But why, as it's making out in some way as if Nimer is the "good guy" and deserves nice treatment along the way to his final goodbye? His cooperation and input yesterday spoke volumes.
True, but I'd rather Nimer got say 1mil and Southall 35p then Nimer 1mil and Southall £500,000.
Is there anything to stop Nimer selling his 65% to Thomas for a quid, Southall gets dragged along ? Thomas agrees a seperate side deal with Nimer to compensate him personally "undisclosed" of course. Southall gets bugger all, Elliot may be entitled to 32p if he wants to fight for it! Is such a deal legal? If not I imagine there must be a way of quietly arranging such a deal !
But why, as it's making out in some way as if Nimer is the "good guy" and deserves nice treatment along the way to his final goodbye? His cooperation and input yesterday spoke volumes.
Agreed, TN could sell Panorama Magic to TS for £Xm and then Panorama Magic could sell to TS for a quid netting Southall 35p. But what would be in it for TS, he would have to deal across company law in another country and at the end of the day is TN really any better than Southall?
What a great result, especially as the judicial tide appeared to be flowing against us until the very last knockings. I listened by phone on a weak stream and was, fittingly, just about to enter a pub to meet some Charlton supporting mates up town when the Judge delivered the denouement.
First and foremost, congratulations to Lauren, who did a sterling job when pitted against a vastly experienced QC, who took silk nearly 20 year ago and who sits as a Deputy High Court Judge.
Judge Pearce accepted that Elliot’s company satisfied the first two limbs of the test, including that damages would not be an adequate remedy if an injunction was denied. The latter finding seemed soft to me, given that any damages claim could be founded upon (1) any sale price subsequently paid for the club and (2) expenditure incurred during the last three or four months in terms of meeting any shortfall in wages etc. Having largely accepted the thrust of practically all the Claimant’s submissions, the Judge then turned the application on its head deep into stoppage time by giving full and proper weight to the very serious risks facing the club and the bigger picture, including its outstanding community work. Articles from the Supporters Trust, in particular, were exhibited to Mihail’s statement and they clearly helped to get the ball over the line, so great work from the authors and the Trust generally.
There was a lot of focus during the hearing on the serious shortcomings in Mihail’s statement. It clearly had some major omissions and one highly significant error which undermined the credibility of his evidence generally. All of this served to put Panoramic on the back foot and I thought it was skilfully exploited by Elliot’s QC. Perhaps none of it is surprising, given the shambolic way in which ESI has conducted its affairs from outset and Lauren was, as a result, dealt a very difficult hand. I don’t know who her instructing solicitors were or how long they have been involved but can you imagine trying to obtain instructions from Nimer and his associates ? Part of the problem in trying to construct a coherent narrative around the events in question is a suspicion that the true motivation for the £1 sale/conditional sale to Elliot’s company is a story that may never be told.
I think an application for permission to appeal may well be made to Judge Pearce this afternoon, as Elliot may feel there’s not much to be lost in having a go. His real objective (far from the “prestige” of owning Charlton) is to somehow get his nose into the trough or, as his QC rather quaintly put it, “be part of the process” (or words to that effect). Elliot will try and keep the issues alive if he can for tactical reasons. Should Judge Pearce refuse leave, permission can be sought from the Court of Appeal, who will determine the application on paper without an oral hearing, save where the judge considering the application directs otherwise (which is unlikely, especially given the pressure on court time).
The difficulty which Elliot faces is that the ground upon which the application for an injunction failed - the balance of convenience - is very much a matter of impression for a Judge. Having carefully reviewed the evidence and listened to over three hours of submissions, an appeal court is likely to be reluctant to overturn the conclusion which he has reached. On that basis, an appeal is unlikely to have a real prospect of success and nor is there is any other compelling reason for it to be heard.
I have real doubts as to whether Elliot’s and Panoramic’s dispute will ever reach a trial - speedy to otherwise - although it would be a lot of fun to watch. Apart from the costs involved and witnesses like Elliot and Farnell being subjected to the purifying ordeal of cross-examination, the chances of ever enforcing a judgment against Panoramic in the UAE are remote; that is especially so, given that its only assets are its shares in ESI, which it will hopefully now be selling in short order.
We all know that we have a little further to go on the road to salvation but this is undoubtedly a huge step.
Thank you for summing it up in a way that even i can understand.
Is there anything to stop Nimer selling his 65% to Thomas for a quid, Southall gets dragged along ? Thomas agrees a seperate side deal with Nimer to compensate him personally "undisclosed" of course. Southall gets bugger all, Elliot may be entitled to 32p if he wants to fight for it! Is such a deal legal? If not I imagine there must be a way of quietly arranging such a deal !
If Southall did break the law then it should be chased in the correct manor, through the judicial system. Right now trying to screw him financially shouldn't be on anyone's mind, we've been through enough already.
Let's get the new owner/s through the door and concentrate on getting out of this poxy league.
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Has she met Blackpool.
I came back from my weekly walking group to see it was still going & our Weegie doing her best impression of Private Frazer 😳
To say I nearly had a cure for @ElfsborgAddick is an understatement 😩😩
Sent him a message saying "Oops" and got left on blue tick
If there needs to be and example of arrogant people overestimating their own capabilities and underestimating others this is it.
A poster above who had the advantage of viewing the proceedings commented on Chaisty's body language and behaviour when Lauren was making her case, and it reads to me to be far worse than a few heartfelt Anglo Saxon interjections by committed fans.
For once yesterday the good guys actually won. Thanks to the Judge and to Lauren.
It has been said that the chancers choose the wrong club messing with Charlton fans, does anybody out there need any more proof?
Well the good news is I've still got that pound.
Only issue (I see it being hugely unlikely) is if Panorama Magic/Nimer/Southall are still owners in a couple of months. Once TS has bought us, we should be (fingers crossed) free to move on.
Almost as if his interest in responding to messages was tied to his ability to bill that time back to the club....but surely not?....
Thomas agrees a seperate side deal with Nimer to compensate him personally "undisclosed" of course.
Southall gets bugger all, Elliot may be entitled to 32p if he wants to fight for it!
Is such a deal legal? If not I imagine there must be a way of quietly arranging such a deal !
Right now trying to screw him financially shouldn't be on anyone's mind, we've been through enough already.
Let's get the new owner/s through the door and concentrate on getting out of this poxy league.