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Marcus Maddison - 20 months jail for GBH (p77)
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Steve Gallen has to take the blame for this in my eyes2
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He was awful again when he come on.. no defending it. Attitude was terrible, too many under hit passes, weak in the tackle and cross not beating the first man11
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Was that the same interview where he praised Matt southall?Maccn05 said:
Take listen to the interview with Darragh at P'Boro, take a look at his IG posts... how many niggling injuries and illnesses has he had for us already 3 or 4. No player plays 100% fit so IMO you have to question how much he 'wants it' or wants to help the team.killerandflash said:
249 games for Peterborough in 6 seasons doesn't suggest too much of an attitude or bad injury recordMaccn05 said:We won't see him in a Charlton shirt! He doesn't want it and he's simply here for a payday.
I think they signed him thinking we'd be walking the league and he'd be a statement signing and a bit stardust to open up defenses but he was never going to work in a Bowyer team so lets cut our losses and tear up the contract, get in somebody U21 who's wants to be in a CAFC shirt.
I've been disgusted by his attitude on the pitch and on socials, concerned by how easily he gets injured and is allegedly poorly.3 -
Blame for what?CH4RLTON said:Steve Gallen has to take the blame for this in my eyes2 -
Looked like he stepped on a sprinkler head and his boot slipped off it.0
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Off_it said:Injured?
Fuck him off then.
Is that a serious comment?1 -
Came on against Plymouth and scored a great goal. What was wrong with his attitude then?Maccn05 said:We won't see him in a Charlton shirt! He doesn't want it and he's simply here for a payday.
I think they signed him thinking we'd be walking the league and he'd be a statement signing and a bit stardust to open up defenses but he was never going to work in a Bowyer team so lets cut our losses and tear up the contract, get in somebody U21 who's wants to be in a CAFC shirt.
I've been disgusted by his attitude on the pitch and on socials, concerned by how easily he gets injured and is allegedly poorly.
He was rewarded by being kept on the bench for the entire game at Hull, and again for an hour last night.
It's clear Bowyer doesn't like him but then why sign him? We know from his past record he will get you goals and create chances but Bowyer seems to want a midfield of ball winners. Perhaps that's why we create so little? Lets stick Pratley and Watson in there every week, along with JFC and maybe Gilbey. Then wonder why our forwards get no fucking service.
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I'm not sure whether that was a serious comment but the thing about MM is that there is a "serious" player there who has actually become anything but a "serious" player.mid_life_crisis said:Off_it said:Injured?
Fuck him off then.
Is that a serious comment?
He is, as I say, gifted in the sense that he can switch play with one drop of the shoulder, score a goal out of the blue from 30 yards, see a pass seconds before he gets the ball etc etc. But he plays at times as if he really doesn't care - gives the ball away and then makes a half hearted attempt to get it back.
As a Manager, you either have to accept that player's foibles and build a team round him or not play him at all. Modern day Managers aren't prepared to do the former - they will, as I did, very early on his arrival, point to a Mane, Aguero, Salah, KDB, Kane etc etc and say if they can work their socks off then so can you. They will also point to the fact that most teams get out of League 1 because it is about the sum of the total and not individuals. Look at how Accrington played as a team last night and not as we did - we reminded me of a bunch of Club 18-30 blokes who were having a kick about for the first time on a beach on holiday. Only Millar from that starting line up hasn't been playing and training with us for at least three or four months.
The really sad thing is that, having listened to him in interviews prior to joining about us and read about him on various forums, I don't believe that MM, despite his social media postings, is in a good space mentally. The "home alone eating pizza", the "I'm in my usual space as an unused sub" and the "injured foot in boot" are all attention seeking. People will say "it's just his sense of humour" but I'm really not convinced that there isn't an underlying message and that is that he really doesn't want to be with us.
MM needs to do is to ask himself why no club didn't come in for him before we did. And LB needs to understand that man management isn't about slagging a player off in public.
The one other thing that is totally clear though is that they both need help And they could start by helping each other.7 - Sponsored links:
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You have got to ask why Peterborough a club with ambitions to get to the champo wanted him out.Or why his stay at Hull didn’t work.4
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MM had a ram built around him at Posh - he played pretty much every game so had a rhythm.
he’s been a bit part player since joining so there no surprise he can’t get going.
The comments from Bowyer are not good though and that might be curtains for Maddison with us.2 -
Peterborough didn't want him out. Macanthony is on record (there's an interview on youtube) where he says he wanted him to stay and they'd offered him the most lucrative contract in the clubs history.billysboots said:You have got to ask why Peterborough a club with ambitions to get to the champo wanted him out.Or why his stay at Hull didn’t work.
Maddison however turned it down as he wanted a move to a higher level..............which obviously hasn't worked out for him.1 -
Bowyer doesn’t rate him. It’s a shame as he’s got individual talent which we have not seen at The Valley for years. Imagine other league one clubs would do anything to have MM at the club and build a team around him.Unless a managerial change happens I don’t think we see MM much more in a Charlton shirt.0
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Is that you Lee?Off_it said:Injured?
Fuck him off then.2 -
the logical thing to have done with MM would have been to play him in a free role off of the main striker (chucks), given our obvious deficiencies up front, and bowyer's concerns regarding his work rate but no, he's put him on the bench, along with our other potential star, Williams. Total mismanagement.10
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Last time he came on he hissed the game and scored a beautiful goal. Since then he was unused at Hull and came on when we were trailing last night with little hope of any come back.DubaiCAFC said:He was awful again when he come on.. no defending it. Attitude was terrible, too many under hit passes, weak in the tackle and cross not beating the first man4 -
If only he was a Southall signing...1
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I can't see how leaving Jonny Williams and Maddison on the bench is bad management. When Williams was first here, teams fouled him every time he got near the ball, that hasn't happened this season because he isn't doing it. As for Maddison he's a player who couldn't get into Hull's side and most people didn't want, as for his form with us, scored one and had one decent game against Wimbledon. What is either doing on the training ground, Bowyer and Jacko see that as well and that may also explain their exclusion.4
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Have not warmed to the fella at all.
As said on another thread last night, fans just simply pick their ‘best team’ on paper. There’s loads of other factors that go into selection, which we as fans don’t see. Does he always turn up late for training, train poorly, sulk, not get on with teammates, not follow on pitch instructions, play as an individual etc?
We can only guess on the first few of those but they would not surprise me.
Managers don’t leave out talented players for no reason, there has to be a reason behind it and it’s probably the same reason why in the last 12 months he’s been put on offer but there’s has only been two football clubs prepared to take a punt on him, both in pretty desperate situations at the time.
He’s looking a real ill-fitted, poor signing17 -
@Peakey4Rocket said:
Last night, Maddison comes on the pitch and he just looks like your ultimate nob head. The odd boots, the s**t tattoos, and with an air of arrogance.Within minutes he’s bottling challenges, taking 5 seconds to try and find a Hollywood pass when the simple ball is on.He genuinely believes he’s a superstar but he’s a third division footballer. No wonder Bowyer seemingly doesn’t like him. That’s the issue here. Players in the third division are that. Footballers, not superstars, they’re a long way still from making it and have to do the simple things before they earn that right for odd boots and arrogance.9 -
Honestly who gives a fuck about the tattoos and odd boots, he's proven to be a quality player at this level. A quality player Bowyer would rather not start and will probably be pleased he doesn't have to use him at all now because of the injury.8
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When LB was thinking of signing Maddison, he would've been thinking of where he could fit him in. Surely Maddison's lack of work-rate isn't a new thing and therefore surely LB would've been thinking of playing him in a free-role. Or maybe LB thought we would be so dominant in games, that we could afford to accomodate Maddison.
Either way, LB needed to seize the moment after the Wimbledon game (in which Maddison was excellent and just what we'd been crying out for) and commit to putting him in the starting line-up. He didn't and now look where we are.3 -
Everyone knew what Maddison was like before he signed. You only have to look at his Instagram to see his personality; loner, appears fragile, not in love with the beautiful game etc Bowyer tried to sign him previously so I can’t figure out why he isn’t building the team round such a mercurial type player. Maddison headed one off the line in the last minute on his debut and he made a joke about what he was doing in such a defensive position. Whether you have warmed to him or not is irrelevant. I’m guessing he’s not really the warm type of person but Bowyer surely must have known this before he signed him. Maddison isn’t the issue here, Bowyer is.AFKABartram said:Have not warmed to the fella at all.
As said on another thread last night, fans just simply pick their ‘best team’ on paper. There’s loads of other factors that go into selection, which we as fans don’t see. Does he always turn up late for training, train poorly, sulk, not get on with teammates, not follow on pitch instructions, play as an individual etc?
We can only guess on the first few of those but they would not surprise me.
Managers don’t leave out talented players for no reason, there has to be a reason behind it and it’s probably the same reason why in the last 12 months he’s been put on offer but there’s has only been two football clubs prepared to take a punt on him, both in pretty desperate situations at the time.
He’s looking a real ill-fitted, poor signing
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then why sign him? bad managementAFKABartram said:@Peakey4Rocket said:
Last night, Maddison comes on the pitch and he just looks like your ultimate nob head. The odd boots, the s**t tattoos, and with an air of arrogance.Within minutes he’s bottling challenges, taking 5 seconds to try and find a Hollywood pass when the simple ball is on.He genuinely believes he’s a superstar but he’s a third division footballer. No wonder Bowyer seemingly doesn’t like him. That’s the issue here. Players in the third division are that. Footballers, not superstars, they’re a long way still from making it and have to do the simple things before they earn that right for odd boots and arrogance.3 -
Did Peterborough build teams around Maddison... How many times did they go up to the Championship with him?stop_shouting said:
Everyone knew what Maddison was like before he signed. You only have to look at his Instagram to see his personality; loner, appears fragile, not in love with the beautiful game etc Bowyer tried to sign him previously so I can’t figure out why he isn’t building the team round such a mercurial type player. Maddison headed one off the line in the last minute on his debut and he made a joke about what he was doing in such a defensive position. Whether you have warmed to him or not is irrelevant. I’m guessing he’s not really the warm type of person but Bowyer surely must have known this before he signed him. Maddison isn’t the issue here, Bowyer is.AFKABartram said:Have not warmed to the fella at all.
As said on another thread last night, fans just simply pick their ‘best team’ on paper. There’s loads of other factors that go into selection, which we as fans don’t see. Does he always turn up late for training, train poorly, sulk, not get on with teammates, not follow on pitch instructions, play as an individual etc?
We can only guess on the first few of those but they would not surprise me.
Managers don’t leave out talented players for no reason, there has to be a reason behind it and it’s probably the same reason why in the last 12 months he’s been put on offer but there’s has only been two football clubs prepared to take a punt on him, both in pretty desperate situations at the time.
He’s looking a real ill-fitted, poor signing4 -
You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.0
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there are hundreds of players out there - bowyer wanted maddison twiceBailey said:You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.2
