Sorry I must have missed him jumping out of tackles and yes he is clearly at fault for the second. In his defence he is eighteen and learning the game as is Albie Morgan, they are learning the game. Maddison is approaching 28 and in my opinion, knows his career is going backwards, he will be gone soon enough.
I personally don't care what he looks like or what boots he wears, although he does look stupid, but that's his choice. But that look draws attention and puts pressure on you to do the job on the pitch - but he's not IMO.
He would be better served with a manager who's prepared to indulge him and put an arm round but we know that's not Bows style rightly or wrongly. Bow's does need to do better at working with players who don't match his exact traits.
What narks me about Maddison and makes it impossible to like him is his terrible body language and his refusal to press and help his fullback - and that's why Bow's doesn't trust him.
I played at a decent level, not because I was great on the ball but because I wanted it so much and was prepared to do whatever for the team, probably another reason I'll always back Bows and not warm to a Maddison type.
I personally don't care what he looks like or what boots he wears, although he does look stupid, but that's his choice. But that look draws attention and puts pressure on you to do the job on the pitch - but he's not IMO.
He would be better served with a manager who's prepared to indulge him and put an arm round but we know that's not Bows style rightly or wrongly. Bow's does need to do better at working with players who don't match his exact traits.
What narks me about Maddison and makes it impossible to like him is his terrible body language and his refusal to press and help his fullback - and that's why Bow's doesn't trust him.
I played at a decent level, not because I was great on the ball but because I wanted it so much and was prepared to do whatever for the team, probably another reason I'll always back Bows and not warm to a Maddison type.
LB has praised his running and tracking back at various times this season.
You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.
He's barely been given a chance ffs.
In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point
Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury
Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:
Gillingham: Started... 67mins Burton: Started... 58mins MKDons: Bench... 45mins AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins Swindon: Started... 72mins Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins Hull: Left on the Bench Accrington: Bench... 26mins
Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis
That's not quite true
Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins Ipswich: Left on the Bench
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins Shrewsbury: Absent through Illness
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins
So that's 2 games where he was left on the bench.
In the last 3 games he's played 51 minutes out of 180+ in a period when we've only been playing 1 game a week, and both his appearances have been when we were losing
Will Schwartz be judges as a footballer because he has tattoos? Did solly?
im not even sure why the fact that a player has tattoos is being mentioned when discussing his ability
Totally agree. It’s quite obvious that some people on here have taken a look at him and the tats and gone “nah, I don’t like you. Not gonna warm to you looking like that”. Hasn’t Marcus Rashford got arms covered in tats? It’s a good job he’s done things in the community that have made people warm to him!! Maddison was saying on insta that he was going to be alone at Christmas and won’t see his daughter. Just think about that when balancing the cocky, arrogant footballer with the tats.
Tattoos aren’t the point. The odd boots aren’t the point. It’s the Prima Donna status for a run of the mill third division footballer.
But the cross under the eye. But then jumping out of tackles like a nancy boy. That’s the problem. he is pony
FFS......I realise you don’t rate the bloke but your posts re Maddison are verging on personal hatred.....way OTT....chill a bit mate.
The irony is that MM shouldn’t even be discussed in the context of what happened last nite, other than to be wished a speedy recovery from his injury. But bowyers comments have rightly forced the majority of supporters to defend MM. Just hope bowyer apologises to him and they can both move on.
You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.
He's barely been given a chance ffs.
In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point
Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury
Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:
Gillingham: Started... 67mins Burton: Started... 58mins MKDons: Bench... 45mins AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins Swindon: Started... 72mins Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins Hull: Left on the Bench Accrington: Bench... 26mins
Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis
So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan.
Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger
One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked.
And Pearce
Pearce he probably has little choice with... Who else do you play in LCB? - Mingi, Purrington?
Does not call him out though like Maddison or Williams
Doesnt call him out by name...
“First goal – it’s laughable. It’s like going to watch Sunday league football, that goal. What, the goalkeeper catches the ball and just punts it up there? You have a mix up. Come on, you’re meant to be professional footballers. That can’t be happening."
I thought we didnt want him calling out players at all though?
Like I said last night, he's going to call out Maddison for jumping out of a challenge as Williams did exactly the same against Shrewsbury, I knew it would happen the moment I saw it
Gilbey jumped out of a tackle after about 20 mins of the game and was not called out so he is not consistent.
You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.
He's barely been given a chance ffs.
In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point
Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury
Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:
Gillingham: Started... 67mins Burton: Started... 58mins MKDons: Bench... 45mins AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins Swindon: Started... 72mins Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins Hull: Left on the Bench Accrington: Bench... 26mins
Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis
So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan.
Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger
One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked.
And Pearce
Pearce he probably has little choice with... Who else do you play in LCB? - Mingi, Purrington?
Does not call him out though like Maddison or Williams
Doesnt call him out by name...
“First goal – it’s laughable. It’s like going to watch Sunday league football, that goal. What, the goalkeeper catches the ball and just punts it up there? You have a mix up. Come on, you’re meant to be professional footballers. That can’t be happening."
I thought we didnt want him calling out players at all though?
Like I said last night, he's going to call out Maddison for jumping out of a challenge as Williams did exactly the same against Shrewsbury, I knew it would happen the moment I saw it
He does in the Valley Pass interview, that's with Sky
You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.
He's barely been given a chance ffs.
In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point
Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury
Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:
Gillingham: Started... 67mins Burton: Started... 58mins MKDons: Bench... 45mins AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins Swindon: Started... 72mins Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins Hull: Left on the Bench Accrington: Bench... 26mins
Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis
So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan.
Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger
One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked.
And Pearce
Pearce he probably has little choice with... Who else do you play in LCB? - Mingi, Purrington?
Does not call him out though like Maddison or Williams
Doesnt call him out by name...
“First goal – it’s laughable. It’s like going to watch Sunday league football, that goal. What, the goalkeeper catches the ball and just punts it up there? You have a mix up. Come on, you’re meant to be professional footballers. That can’t be happening."
I thought we didnt want him calling out players at all though?
Like I said last night, he's going to call out Maddison for jumping out of a challenge as Williams did exactly the same against Shrewsbury, I knew it would happen the moment I saw it
He does in the Valley Pass interview, that's with Sky
Bowyer - asked if Maddison is seriously injured: "I don't know. I don't care. You've got a player who is jumping out of tackles and then he says he got a knock before that. If you do that again then you're done."
Bowyer: "He has got a great left foot but if you're dropping out of tackles it is the wrong thing to do. You're letting your team-mates and the club down."
Bowyer - asked if Maddison is seriously injured: "I don't know. I don't care. You've got a player who is jumping out of tackles and then he says he got a knock before that. If you do that again then you're done."
Bowyer needs to have a word with himself. Not caring if one of your players is seriously injured is disgusting. He has massively gone down in my estimation.
Steve Gallen has to take the blame for this in my eyes
Why blame Steve Gallen?
He had identified an available player with ability and with well known characteristics. If Bowyer didn't want this player, he wouldn't have driven to the player's home last January to try and convince him to sign - and would have blocked signing him in October.
Managers at Maddison's previous club found ways to get the best out of him. Why can't Bowyer?
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He then just stood there as they collected the ball and then crossed it so it could be laid to Bishop
He'd also pretty much ruin any chance of getting any loan players from Chelsea ever again.
He would be better served with a manager who's prepared to indulge him and put an arm round but we know that's not Bows style rightly or wrongly. Bow's does need to do better at working with players who don't match his exact traits.
What narks me about Maddison and makes it impossible to like him is his terrible body language and his refusal to press and help his fullback - and that's why Bow's doesn't trust him.
I played at a decent level, not because I was great on the ball but because I wanted it so much and was prepared to do whatever for the team, probably another reason I'll always back Bows and not warm to a Maddison type.
Bowyer has it all to do next season, no shit owner, backed in the windows and a new fitness team.
There will literally be zero excuses to hide behind.
Ipswich: Left on the Bench
Shrewsbury: Absent through Illness
So that's 2 games where he was left on the bench.
In the last 3 games he's played 51 minutes out of 180+ in a period when we've only been playing 1 game a week, and both his appearances have been when we were losing
If true, it’s almost unheard of.
He had identified an available player with ability and with well known characteristics.
If Bowyer didn't want this player, he wouldn't have driven to the player's home last January to try and convince him to sign - and would have blocked signing him in October.
Managers at Maddison's previous club found ways to get the best out of him.
Why can't Bowyer?