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Marcus Maddison - 20 months jail for GBH (p77)
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Dazzler21 said:
If Bowyer's letting his personal feelings get in the way of using our most talented player, I am concerned. He's a tool (not in the offensive way) and we need to be using all of our best tools at the moment.northstandsteve said:People seem to missing the fact he went to Hull and team in free fall and didn't get a game I wonder why ? I think he is a complete wrongun
Fortunately for Bowyer he doesn't have the option to use Maddison now and he won't for at least 4-6 weeks I reckon... Bowyer won't know or care about that though.
I make him right.
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Best goal you've seen scored by a Charlton player in years? - Honestly Dazzler?
Maybe our best goal this season, but wouldnt say it was better than Gallagher's against Derby last year2 -
Okay, one of the best I have seen in years... Gallagher was a class player and is probably the type of player we are still missing now.ForeverAddickted said:Best goal you've seen scored by a Charlton player in years? - Honestly Dazzler?
Maybe our best goal this season, but wouldnt say it was better than Gallagher's against Derby last year
Maddison's nutmeg and ranged rocket past the keeper was a fantastic goal though and probably only second to Gallagher's.
Interestingly on reflection I think Gallagher is probably the player Bowyer wanted Maddison to emulate. Both technically good, neither particularly fast but can see a pass and take a shot, but Gallagher had that never say die attitude and would chase everything... Kind of like Maddison did vs the Wombles. Not saying Maddison could do it to the same level, but to follow Gallagher's style could be achieved and make him a real asset.
There's a reason though that Gallagher is now a starter in the Premier League and Maddison is still in League 1.
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MM did more in 15 minutes against Plymouth, than we have come to expect/hope/wish from Williams. In other words, an attacking player take the game by the scruff of the neck and alter the scoreline.
Origi for Liverpool is a bit of calamitous player for their level. He was still used very wisely by Klopp and has scored some key goals for them to win the Champions League and Title. Despite being the kind of player who regularly runs the ball into touch, Klopp never makes a fool of him in front of the world. He wants to keep him interested, motivated and in a frame of mind to contribute if need be. That is man management.7 -
I doesn't matter how good he is. Because of his appearance , people have already made up their minds about Maddison .
Calling him a wrongun is ridiculous. What exactly has he done , while with charlton , makes him a wrongun?
Sometimes i don't think we deserve players who have a special ability.17 -
Has anyone watched the timeline of events regarding MM and his injury ?
I haven't but I thought he'd already taken a kick before the pulling out of tackles.
I may be wrong and just being bias, because I'm confused after knowing how much talent Maddison has in League 1.
We have seen it in glimpses, but why Marcus didn't come on with Aneke against Stanley; or start against Hull is another baffling decision by Bowyer.
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HE ATE A PIZZA DAMN IT!Bedsaddick said:I doesn't matter how good he is. Because of his appearance , people have already made up their minds about Maddison .
Calling him a wrongun is ridiculous. What exactly has he done , while with charlton , makes him a wrongun?
Sometimes i don't think we deserve players who have a special ability.7 -
BUT IT HAD PINEAPPLE... WHO IN GODS NAME EATS PINEAPPLE ON A PIZZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dazzler21 said:
HE ATE A PIZZA DAMN IT!Bedsaddick said:I doesn't matter how good he is. Because of his appearance , people have already made up their minds about Maddison .
Calling him a wrongun is ridiculous. What exactly has he done , while with charlton , makes him a wrongun?
Sometimes i don't think we deserve players who have a special ability.4 -
I quite like an Hawaiian 😉.ForeverAddickted said:
BUT IT HAD PINEAPPLE... WHO IN GODS NAME EATS PINEAPPLE ON A PIZZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dazzler21 said:
HE ATE A PIZZA DAMN IT!Bedsaddick said:I doesn't matter how good he is. Because of his appearance , people have already made up their minds about Maddison .
Calling him a wrongun is ridiculous. What exactly has he done , while with charlton , makes him a wrongun?
Sometimes i don't think we deserve players who have a special ability.3 -
Havent met any girls from that part of the world before myselfRedChaser said:
I quite like an Hawaiian 😉.ForeverAddickted said:
BUT IT HAD PINEAPPLE... WHO IN GODS NAME EATS PINEAPPLE ON A PIZZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dazzler21 said:
HE ATE A PIZZA DAMN IT!Bedsaddick said:I doesn't matter how good he is. Because of his appearance , people have already made up their minds about Maddison .
Calling him a wrongun is ridiculous. What exactly has he done , while with charlton , makes him a wrongun?
Sometimes i don't think we deserve players who have a special ability.
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Nor have I, just one careful owner, only just run in 😉ForeverAddickted said:
Havent met any girls from that part of the world before myselfRedChaser said:
I quite like an Hawaiian 😉.ForeverAddickted said:
BUT IT HAD PINEAPPLE... WHO IN GODS NAME EATS PINEAPPLE ON A PIZZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dazzler21 said:
HE ATE A PIZZA DAMN IT!Bedsaddick said:I doesn't matter how good he is. Because of his appearance , people have already made up their minds about Maddison .
Calling him a wrongun is ridiculous. What exactly has he done , while with charlton , makes him a wrongun?
Sometimes i don't think we deserve players who have a special ability.2 -
People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.8 -
Firstly Maddison was not contracted at Hull, he was on loan so was not contractually obliged to continue playing. Whether he should have is between the club and the player.Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
Secondly I didn't see anyone comparing him to Gallagher but were saying that Bowyer wanted Maddison to be a similar player to Gallagher. Unfortunately they're not similar. Gallagher is all action, get stuck in, run until you drop.
Maddison, as Bowyer would have known before he signed him, is the type of player you give a free roll to set up chances for others and chip in with goals himself, as he had been utilised by Peterborough for the last few years. Maybe if he had been given a run of games we would have seen what Peterborough supporters saw. Who knows.
Thirdly I am not on Twitter or Instagram so the only messages I've seen have been on CL and I don't remember seeing anything that could be classed as subversive or detrimental to the club, manager or players. If you have evidence to the contrary I would be interested to see them.
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A bit passive aggressive there...
He was on loan but was offered the chance to extend to the end of the elongated season and win a contract at a local club and that he contributed to being bottom of the league... doesn't exactly demonstrate character does it.
Bows wouldn't have expected MM to be anything like Conor. One is a top professional and player and the other is Maddison. It would be very clear when watching that they share very few skills or traits.
Personally I took offense to his dig at Hull and being on the bench. You could read that post either way but either way it's highly un-professional and along with the sexist posts and cheat day posts it suggests to me he's not committed to his profession and lacking maturity.
Agreed on the positioning, but at P'boro he played as an inverted winger not a free role, however I don't know what his defensive expectations were. But I'm also at a loss as to why we signed him other than he has some ability and was available... maybe he literally was just a gamble.7 -
"I hope he's out for the season."Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
Nice.3 -
A. No he didn'tMaccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
B. The manager who won't play him, obviously wasnt fussed even if he did... because he signed him.
I'm going to order a curry tonight, then once its arrived im going to complain its not tapas.1 -
I don't understand the point being made in B.shine166 said:
A. No he didn'tMaccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
B. The manager who won't play him, obviously wasnt fussed even if he did... because he signed him.
I'm going to order a curry tonight, then once its arrived im going to complain its not tapas.
Enjoy the curry!0 -
Personally my gut feel (no evidence of course) it that he's a bad apple and better off not in the changing room and i'm sure we won't take up the option on his contract come the summer.Talal said:
"I hope he's out for the season."Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
Nice.
Just my opinion5 -
The point being made is, you don't buy someone like maddson and then complain about what turned up.Maccn05 said:
I don't understand the point being made in B.shine166 said:
A. No he didn'tMaccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
B. The manager who won't play him, obviously wasnt fussed even if he did... because he signed him.
I'm going to order a curry tonight, then once its arrived im going to complain its not tapas.
Enjoy the curry!
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I think that's a more than fair point. I have no idea why he was signed, he doesn't play anything like a Bowyer player so it's puzzling.shine166 said:
The point being made is, you don't buy someone like maddson and then complain about what turned up.Maccn05 said:
I don't understand the point being made in B.shine166 said:
A. No he didn'tMaccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
B. The manager who won't play him, obviously wasnt fussed even if he did... because he signed him.
I'm going to order a curry tonight, then once its arrived im going to complain its not tapas.
Enjoy the curry!
My only thoughts are he was wanted as a 'marquee' signing a big name or Bows thought we stroll the league and we'd use him to breakdown stubborn defenses
Either way he's been a disaster, poor on the pitch (IMO) constantly injured and unfit and now Bows and fans are arguing about him. As you can tell I'm firmly in the No camp and think his considerable wages would be much better spent on a young dynamic midfielder.0 -
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Quite simple. Bowyer has gone after Maddison in multiple transfer windows, this was not an impulse signing. You'd presume that means knowing a little bit about Maddison's style of playing which has not ever included much in the way of tackling or hassling off the ball.Maccn05 said:
I don't understand the point being made in B.shine166 said:
A. No he didn'tMaccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
B. The manager who won't play him, obviously wasnt fussed even if he did... because he signed him.
I'm going to order a curry tonight, then once its arrived im going to complain its not tapas.
Enjoy the curry!
Maddison is not that kind of player. He has never been that kind of player. At his age and given his past record, he's very unlikely to ever change to be that kind of player. Bowyer really should know that.4 -
Thats fair enough, but I doubt he's on considerable wages considering when we signed him.Maccn05 said:
I think that's a more than fair point. I have no idea why he was signed, he doesn't play anything like a Bowyer player so it's puzzling.shine166 said:
The point being made is, you don't buy someone like maddson and then complain about what turned up.Maccn05 said:
I don't understand the point being made in B.shine166 said:
A. No he didn'tMaccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
B. The manager who won't play him, obviously wasnt fussed even if he did... because he signed him.
I'm going to order a curry tonight, then once its arrived im going to complain its not tapas.
Enjoy the curry!
My only thoughts are he was wanted as a 'marquee' signing a big name or Bows thought we stroll the league and we'd use him to breakdown stubborn defenses
Either way he's been a disaster, poor on the pitch (IMO) constantly injured and unfit and now Bows and fans are arguing about him. As you can tell I'm firmly in the No camp and think his considerable wages would be much better spent on a young dynamic midfielder.1 -
What pile of steaming shit that post is.Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
"I hope he's out for the season " - Really nice.
You are right about one thing though.
You must be watching a different game3 -
I said:Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
"Interestingly on reflection I think Gallagher is probably the player Bowyer wanted Maddison to emulate. Both technically good, neither particularly fast but can see a pass and take a shot, but Gallagher had that never say die attitude and would chase everything... Kind of like Maddison did vs the Wombles. Not saying Maddison could do it to the same level, but to follow Gallagher's style could be achieved and make him a real asset."
I did not directly compare the players, Gallagher wins every day of the week if you do that. My point was Bowyer may have brought in Maddison with a view to convert him, to develop him to have SOME of the defensive attributes Gallagher had, and that if he could do that we'd have a real asset. There's a reason we were looking for a creative midfielder as Chelsea recalled the creative, competitive Gallagher... Somehow though we ended up with Davis who offered neither creativity or defensive capabilities!
Maddison against Wimbledon was everywhere, dropping into defensive midfield to help bring the ball forward and chased almost everything that came near him and did something with everything that came to him. He didn't score or get an assist but was the pre-assist man on at least 2/3 goals that came when he was on the pitch. (Pearce long ball was the other)
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Totally respect your opinion, but I don't see at his age any chance of him developing some some of CG defensive attributes and I'd be amazed if that was Bows plan for him.Dazzler21 said:
I said:Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
"Interestingly on reflection I think Gallagher is probably the player Bowyer wanted Maddison to emulate. Both technically good, neither particularly fast but can see a pass and take a shot, but Gallagher had that never say die attitude and would chase everything... Kind of like Maddison did vs the Wombles. Not saying Maddison could do it to the same level, but to follow Gallagher's style could be achieved and make him a real asset."
I did not directly compare the players, Gallagher wins every day of the week if you do that. My point was Bowyer may have brought in Maddison with a view to convert him, to develop him to have SOME of the defensive attributes Gallagher had, and that if he could do that we'd have a real asset. There's a reason we were looking for a creative midfielder as Chelsea recalled the creative, competitive Gallagher... Somehow though we ended up with Davis who offered neither creativity or defensive capabilities!
Maddison against Wimbledon was everywhere, dropping into defensive midfield to help bring the ball forward and chased almost everything that came near him and did something with everything that came to him. He didn't score or get an assist but was the pre-assist man on at least 2/3 goals that came when he was on the pitch. (Pearce long ball was the other)
He was good in the AFC Wimbledon game for 45mins, but so was everyone, it's easy when your winning 5-2, even in that game Johnny was better - that was the game we saw his reactions to Bow's unfair rollicking lets see what MM's reaction is.0 -
Jeez it's a game of opinions and this is a forum for sharing those no... why so aggressive!?!?Bedsaddick said:
What pile of steaming shit that post is.Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
"I hope he's out for the season " - Really nice.
You are right about one thing though.
You must be watching a different game
People like you are why fans on other platforms call this forum a closed shop and a negative place.
I'd be pretty confident that my analysis of the game would be accurate than yours but unlike you I'd respect your opinion. 4 -
Wtf this place is far from that !!Maccn05 said:
People like you are why fans on other platforms call this forum a closed shop and a negative place
If at any point before Leeds were 4-0 up in the last game of the season you mentioned that we’d go down you were fired at with both barrels !!4 -
This is a negative place? From the guy saying he hopes a player is out for the season?Maccn05 said:
Jeez it's a game of opinions and this is a forum for sharing those no... why so aggressive!?!?Bedsaddick said:
What pile of steaming shit that post is.Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
"I hope he's out for the season " - Really nice.
You are right about one thing though.
You must be watching a different game
People like you are why fans on other platforms call this forum a closed shop and a negative place.
I'd be pretty confident that my analysis of the game would be accurate than yours but unlike you I'd respect your opinion.
How'd you manage to get there given the angle your coming from?8 -
It's gonna take a LOT to beat the Sarr tackle, cross and Taylor volley. A LOT8
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I hope you understand the irony of what you've just said.Maccn05 said:
Jeez it's a game of opinions and this is a forum for sharing those no... why so aggressive!?!?Bedsaddick said:
What pile of steaming shit that post is.Maccn05 said:People who are defending MM's attitude and team ethics did you also chastise Lyle Taylor for not honoring his contract? pretty sure we all thought he was the lowest of the low?... Well Marcus Maddison did exactly the same to Hull and refused the short term extension - and they were in even worse trouble than us.
On his performances I must be watching a different game, people comparing him the Conor Gallagher (what an insult to CG) and that he's some kind of creative genius? he's had one good half the rest has been not tracking back and taking pot shots from anywhere. I really, really don't get the hype.
I hope he's out for the season and away from the dressing room. If he's prepared to put some of them tweets and IG posts out what is he seeding within the team.
"I hope he's out for the season " - Really nice.
You are right about one thing though.
You must be watching a different game
People like you are why fans on other platforms call this forum a closed shop and a negative place.
I'd be pretty confident that my analysis of the game would be accurate than yours but unlike you I'd respect your opinion.0
