Marcus Maddison - 20 months jail for GBH (p77)

Chunes

Don't know why Maddison is such a big talking point today, he played 25 minutes yesterday and he got involved and looked for the ball, which is more than can be said for 80% of the team. Don't know why the manager is using the post-match to call out people who played a bit-part in the game. 

Croydon

AFKABartram said:

Have not warmed to the fella at all.

As said on another thread last night, fans just simply pick their ‘best team’ on paper. There’s loads of other factors that go into selection, which we as fans don’t see. Does he always turn up late for training, train poorly, sulk, not get on with teammates, not follow on pitch instructions, play as an individual etc?

We can only guess on the first few of those but they would not surprise me.

Managers don’t leave out talented players for no reason, there has to be a reason behind it and it’s  probably the same reason why in the last 12 months he’s been put on offer but there’s has only been two football clubs prepared to take a punt on him, both in pretty desperate situations at the time.  

He’s looking a real ill-fitted, poor signing

Pure speculation that though. We've literally never seen or heard anything to suggest Maddison doesn't get on with his team mates.

Bowyer leaves out Jonny too, do you think the above describes him? What about Ozzy? Fosu? 

FishCostaFortune

Bowyer makes it very hard to warm to him when he barely plays him, and drops him after he plays well. 

Maybe if he gave him a run in the team, a series of 90 minutes then fans may finally be able to actually make a judgement. 

ForeverAddickted

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

Todds_right_hook

Will Schwartz be judges as a footballer because he has tattoos? Did solly?

im not even sure why the fact that a player has tattoos is being mentioned when discussing his ability

Fortune 82nd Minute

DOUCHER said:

AFKABartram said:

@Peakey4Rocket said:

Last night, Maddison comes on the pitch and he just looks like your ultimate nob head. The odd boots, the s**t tattoos, and with an air of arrogance. 

Within minutes he’s bottling challenges, taking 5 seconds to try and find a Hollywood pass when the simple ball is on. 

He genuinely believes he’s a superstar but he’s a third division footballer. No wonder Bowyer seemingly doesn’t like him. That’s the issue here. Players in the third division are that. Footballers, not superstars, they’re a long way still from making it and have to do the simple things before they earn that right for odd boots and arrogance.

then why sign him? bad management

And that is the 64000 dollar question.

stop_shouting

Todds_right_hook said:

Will Schwartz be judges as a footballer because he has tattoos? Did solly?

im not even sure why the fact that a player has tattoos is being mentioned when discussing his ability

Totally agree. It’s quite obvious that some people on here have taken a look at him and the tats and gone “nah, I don’t like you. Not gonna warm to you looking like that”. Hasn’t Marcus Rashford got arms covered in tats? It’s a good job he’s done things in the community that have made people warm to him!! Maddison was saying on insta that he was going to be alone at Christmas and won’t see his daughter. Just think about that when balancing the cocky, arrogant footballer with the tats.

Talal

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

ForeverAddickted

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

Talal

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

ForeverAddickted

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

Or to flip it... Two good games...

Dont get me wrong; Gilbey equally baffles me at the moment

cafc999

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

And Pearce

cafcsinger

There seems to be a narrative by some of here that Maddison has done nothing other than a wonder goal against Plymouth. Not convinced this is true. Before last night this was his record.

Gillingham Away: Was a bit rusty, did hit the bar with a free kick from 35 yards. 6/10 ish
Burton Away: Not going to defend this, woeful - although most the team were
MK Dons Home: Came off the bench and did well, statbank actually rated him our highest outfield player. 

Afc Wimbledon Home: Excellent performance, played 84 mins, him and Jonny worked together. 2nd in playing ratings
Swindon Away: Again ok nothing more really,  put a great ball in for Bogle who missed a sitter as per
Plymouth Home: Clear MOTM, scored a goal of the season contender, set up Washington who missed a good chance and was generally our most threatening player. This is all in 25 minutes.

I’ve not included the mickey mouse trophy (where he scored), and i’m also not saying he’s set the world alight but he’s done pretty well imo.
I personally think he should play a lot more. Against Hull to not start him, let alone not bring him on when he should have been full on confidence after Plymouth and against his former club with a point to prove was criminal. 

Calling him out after the game live on the box saying he doesn’t care if he’s injured. Excellent management. As Croydon said before, he has a bad track record with players who are not naturally grafters. I thought at the time getting rid of Fosu was rash, he’s probably worth 10x the amount we sold him for now, Oztumer and Williams its not really worked either.

FishCostaFortune

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

Or to flip it... Two good games...

Dont get me wrong; Gilbey equally baffles me at the moment

Gilby for me has so many moments where the play just passes him by so easily. He often looks second behind the play when phases change.

You can complain about Maddison jumping out of challenges, but half the time at the moment Gilbys not even there to even think about making one. 

ForeverAddickted

cafc999 said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

And Pearce

Pearce he probably has little choice with... Who else do you play in LCB? - Mingi, Purrington?

Peakey4Rocket

stop_shouting said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Will Schwartz be judges as a footballer because he has tattoos? Did solly?

im not even sure why the fact that a player has tattoos is being mentioned when discussing his ability

Totally agree. It’s quite obvious that some people on here have taken a look at him and the tats and gone “nah, I don’t like you. Not gonna warm to you looking like that”. Hasn’t Marcus Rashford got arms covered in tats? It’s a good job he’s done things in the community that have made people warm to him!! Maddison was saying on insta that he was going to be alone at Christmas and won’t see his daughter. Just think about that when balancing the cocky, arrogant footballer with the tats.

Tattoos aren’t the point. The odd boots aren’t the point. It’s the Prima Donna status for a run of the mill third division footballer. 

But the cross under the eye. But then jumping out of tackles like a nancy boy. That’s the problem.
he is pony

ForeverAddickted

cafcsinger said:

There seems to be a narrative by some of here that Maddison has done nothing other than a wonder goal against Plymouth. Not convinced this is true. Before last night this was his record.

Gillingham Away: Was a bit rusty, did hit the bar with a free kick from 35 yards. 6/10 ish
Burton Away: Not going to defend this, woeful - although most the team were
MK Dons Home: Came off the bench and did well, statbank actually rated him our highest outfield player. 

Afc Wimbledon Home: Excellent performance, played 84 mins, him and Jonny worked together. 2nd in playing ratings
Swindon Away: Again ok nothing more really,  put a great ball in for Bogle who missed a sitter as per
Plymouth Home: Clear MOTM, scored a goal of the season contender, set up Washington who missed a good chance and was generally our most threatening player. This is all in 25 minutes.

I’ve not included the mickey mouse trophy (where he scored), and i’m also not saying he’s set the world alight but he’s done pretty well imo.
I personally think he should a lot more, against Hull to not start him,  let alone bring him on when he should have been full on confidence after Plymouth and against his former club with a point to prove was criminal. 

Calling him out after the game live on the box saying he doesn’t care if he’s injured. Excellent management. As Croydon said before, he has a bad track record with players who are not naturally grafters. I thought at the time getting rid of Fosu was rash, he’s probably worth 10x the amount we sold him for now, Oztumer and Williams its not really worked either.

To be fair against Burton he at least tried getting balls into the danger area

Its a chicken / egg situation with that game - Should he have been a bit more accurate, or should his team mates have taken the risk and make the run e.g. try to anticipate it better?

cafc999

ForeverAddickted said:

cafc999 said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

And Pearce

Pearce he probably has little choice with... Who else do you play in LCB? - Mingi, Purrington?

Does not call him out though like Maddison or Williams

ForeverAddickted

cafc999 said:

ForeverAddickted said:

cafc999 said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

And Pearce

Pearce he probably has little choice with... Who else do you play in LCB? - Mingi, Purrington?

Does not call him out though like Maddison or Williams

Doesnt call him out by name...

“First goal – it’s laughable. It’s like going to watch Sunday league football, that goal. What, the goalkeeper catches the ball and just punts it up there? You have a mix up. Come on, you’re meant to be professional footballers. That can’t be happening."

I thought we didnt want him calling out players at all though?

Like I said last night, he's going to call out Maddison for jumping out of a challenge as Williams did exactly the same against Shrewsbury, I knew it would happen the moment I saw it

SamB09

If you are pro footballer i think you have the right to say you have made it @AFKABartram . Obviously not as much as being a prem player but still a great aheivement.

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ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

There is a difference between being "involved" and "fully involved". Compare the minutes that Williams and Maddison have played with say Watson and Pratley. Neither of the first two have played a full game this season but the two 35 year olds have done that countless numbers of time.

It's not a question of LB not "liking" Williams and Maddison necessarily. He just doesn't trust flair players to do what he wants them to do. There is countless evidence of that. 

cafc999

ForeverAddickted said:

cafc999 said:

ForeverAddickted said:

cafc999 said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Talal said:

Bailey said:

You are forgetting we didn't have a team to put out and getting bodies in for nothing was essential. Fact is Maddison plays only for Maddison and has added nothing to the team, that is why he is still at this level.

He's barely been given a chance ffs. 

In his defence its not helped he didnt play during Project Restart... that was compounded further by the fact he didnt sign for us until 1st October we'd already played seven League / Cup games by that point

Came into the team for Sunderland for fitness and promptly got injured so wasnt involved until November when he was then eased into the team due to his lack of match fitness and coming off the back of injury

Since the International Weekend he's been fully involved with the Hull game the only League game he's not actually played:

Gillingham: Started... 67mins
Burton: Started... 58mins
MK Dons: Bench... 45mins
AFC Wimbledon: Started... 84mins
Swindon: Started... 72mins
Plymouth: Bench,,, 25mins
Hull: Left on the Bench
Accrington: Bench... 26mins

Someone is going to have to explain why they think Bowyer doesnt like him on that basis

So he was eased into the team from November to build fitness up, played during our best performance of the season against Wimbledon. Back on the bench for Plymouth, comes on and scores and then is benched again for the next two. So when he's fully fit instead of capitalising on that we leave him on the bench. Added to that the "I don't care" if he's injured comment and I think it's fair to see Bowyer's not his biggest fan. 

Played against Swindon in between and apart from one moment was pretty much a passenger

One poor game is all he gets? Yet Gilbey racks them up and still gets picked. 

And Pearce

Pearce he probably has little choice with... Who else do you play in LCB? - Mingi, Purrington?

Does not call him out though like Maddison or Williams

Doesnt call him out by name...

“First goal – it’s laughable. It’s like going to watch Sunday league football, that goal. What, the goalkeeper catches the ball and just punts it up there? You have a mix up. Come on, you’re meant to be professional footballers. That can’t be happening."

I thought we didnt want him calling out players at all though?

Like I said last night, he's going to call out Maddison for jumping out of a challenge as Williams did exactly the same against Shrewsbury, I knew it would happen the moment I saw it

I fully understand that but to openly say what he did when the whole team performed so badly was not deserved. Jumping out of a 50/50 at that stage of the match did not determine the result or performance 

cafcsinger

Oh god no, i can’t sit through another pulling out of tackles debate

Bailey

Pearce makes a shit mistake, Maddison and Williams bottled tackles. In Bowyers view and a lot us on here, you can forgive mistakes as we all do them, deliberately jumping out of tackles and not putting a shift in is not making a mistake, its simply taking the piss. Bowyer doesn't have much choice but I would rather pay Williams and Maddison's contracts up.

cafc999

Bailey said:

Pearce makes a shit mistake, Maddison and Williams bottled tackles. In Bowyers view and a lot us on here, you can forgive mistakes as we all do them, deliberately jumping out of tackles and not putting a shift in is not making a mistake, its simply taking the piss. Bowyer doesn't have much choice but I would rather pay Williams and Maddison's contracts up.

And replace them with who?

ForeverAddickted

cafc999 said:

Bailey said:

Pearce makes a shit mistake, Maddison and Williams bottled tackles. In Bowyers view and a lot us on here, you can forgive mistakes as we all do them, deliberately jumping out of tackles and not putting a shift in is not making a mistake, its simply taking the piss. Bowyer doesn't have much choice but I would rather pay Williams and Maddison's contracts up.

And replace them with who?

Sorba Thomas would potentially be one, but you're then taking the risk on an untested Non-League player

Bailey

That's why I stated Bowyer doesn't have much choice cafc, only he knows what monetary effect that would have on bringing people in, with cap a deciding factor. Quite simply we need to ask ourselves what level of performance are we going to get out of Jonny Williams as well or indeed any player who knows they will be looking to secure a move elsewhere at seasons end.

AFKABartram

SamB09 said:

If you are pro footballer i think you have the right to say you have made it @AFKABartram . Obviously not as much as being a prem player but still a great aheivement.

No idea why that’s aimed at me @SamB09

they're not my words

boggzy

Bowyer hasn't mentioned Maatsen's jumping out of tackles.

Bailey

Didn't think Maatsen did