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Too much mental weakness and panicking amongst players in latter part of the game. Bottling challenges, unsure of themselves and general stuttering.
Williams bottled a challenge and deserved to be hauled off for that alone. I think JW is a lovely bloke but that's neither here nor there when it comes to football.
I find he flatters to deceive a bit and doesn't have much end product with his main aim being to look to hit the deck and get a foul on pretty much every occasion. Maybe it's fear of injuries etc but pulling out of a challenge like that is not on and is not going to do anything other than infuriate an manager like Bowyer who would never do that and wouldn't expect it.
Need a Bowyer, Parker enforcer type on the pitch. Watson isn't it and Pratley can only do so much before getting too many bookings. Very much missing the physical presence of Iniss.
Much more solid at the back with the 2 natural CBs. Smyth is a huge miss and Washington and Bogle offered very little today. Thought Washington started the season brightly but hasn't done much in recent games.
Played very well the first half but second half was poor particularly the last 10 minutes which was like pub football.
Maatsen has gone off the boil too and making a lot of silly mistakes.
100% behind Bowyer and the team (all of them) but hopefully we can do some business in the transfer window to bolster things otherwise it is going to be a frustrating season.
Not as bad as Burton or MK Dons but not as good as we were earlier this term.
Hopefully we will turn it around and be a bit tougher and confident out there.
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Honest question mate. Did Portsmouth and Ipswich press us, and particularly our defenders, when we had the ball?ForeverAddickted said:
Funnily I am digging out the players more than the fanscafcfan1990 said:
mate I'm not going to have a dig because I know your way off thinking. It's not about disrespecting teams (although I completely agree about MK Dons who were decent) but come on. Shrewsbury are not a good side. I didn't rant after Burton or MK but today was a different level.ForeverAddickted said:Fans and Players alike need to learn to respect other teams at this level
We went on a great run at one point in October, it showed what we could achieve and there were times like against Fleetwood where we weren't just papering over the cracks - For some reason we've all returned since Gillingham thinking that we've got a god given right to win this league. Its not as costly if the fans want to continue thinking that but the players certainly need to stop
Enough of the shit, thinking its only Burton, its only Milton Keynes, its only Shrewsbury
We should be beating these teams blah blah blah... We're at the same level for a bloody reason so the players especially, get used to it and quickly else we're going to be down here for a lot longer than what we want to be again!!!
If teams turn up and we don't win then fair enough, but any decent League 1 team would have beaten Shrewsbury today. Bowyer is getting more and more negative, invites pressure and we get what we deserved. We had excuses last season but it happened regularly, we can't do that again this season.
Rightly the fans cant do much to change things so can in a way be more disrespectful to other clubs, however much I dont like it... The players on the other hand have barely changed their way of playing since we returned after Gillingham and it really feels like they're not respecting other clubs...
First half it was sluggish and not enough movement, Washington would win the ball pass it for JFC to run on to and he'd just stand there - Morgan and Williams came on and there was suddenly more urgency but it shouldn't need to take that long
I just dont get how the players can go from one level against Ipswich / Portsmouth etc. where we can make them look mugs, yet suddenly against the ordinary teams they're struggling and I'm beginning to wonder if they are thinking its too easy; Gunter and Watson especially who havent ever played at this level before - Regardless if that is the case then it needs to stop... If they think these teams should be a walk in the park then do just that, put them to the bloody sword and move on!!!
We went a little more direct against Ipswich to be fair, but they didn't work as a team like Burton or Gillingham did the days previously.
In my mind it is nothing to do with the players we have, or their mindset, and everything to do with the way we are set up and how we are drilled in training. I think its a little disingenuous to soley blame the players who actually work their socks off and play the rigid tight defensive game that Bows wants us to.1 -
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Can’t see TS putting up with this much longer. He wants to be entertained as do the fans and is throwing £500 k a month at it.1
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I reckon Bowyer has little confidence in our forward players. He doesn’t expect us to be a team scoring 2 plus goals a game despite some decent providers in the team. I think he sees Aneke as an impact player but neither Bogle or Washington are good enough to be first choice.But he believes we are good enough to get at least a draw in every game, hence the selection of Watson and Pratley. Ensure we concede rarely and try to get a win.I think we will,and already may have, signed a goal scorer in January or at least have a few decent targets. It is where we are weakest and Bowyer will have told Sandgaard. It is obvious to us all. If we are around the top six in Jan then we will have a proper push for promotion. But we can’t do that with our current strikers. They are not strikers that get a team promoted.The run before the international break has lulled us into thinking we could walk this league. Look at Peterborough’s recent form from being top a few weeks ago.Bowyer is his own man. Like us all our qualities can also be our downfalls and let’s not pretend he isn’t realistic enough to know that Sandgaard expects a return on his spending.I hope Bowyer sorts it but I don’t think he will be worrying about it. He will have a season long plan and in his mind maybe we are where he expects us to be at the moment.6
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Against Wimbledon next Saturday ... fully expect us to struggle against Piggot!Then again, who knows what team however will pick (not even he does tbh)... expect a draw0
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I'd noticed that. Also noticeable that while MKD should be much higher up the table, Shrewsbury are still rubbish under xG!NapaAddick said:Remember how last season a few of us pointed out when we were top 6 that xG was showing we were actually close to relegation-level quality? And everyone was like... "Nahhhh, we are top six, xG is rubbish!" And then we wound up being relegated?
I guess now is the time to show how we looked even before today... We have been the most outperforming club in L1. Eventually, xG shows that mirage will end... Don't kill the messenger!
https://experimental361.com/2020/12/03/expected-goals-table-league-1-1-2-dec-2020/0 -
We are specialists in the concession of the injury time goal. Time and again we showed this last season and it lead to our relegation.
So why in the name of God would you sit back and invite pressure in every single game where you are holding on to a 1 goal lead.
Why wouldn't you try to get a 2nd goal or at least attempt to play some football in the opposition half. Would we be more likely to concede if we showed more ambition? Of course we fucking wouldn't, because 50% of the time we cave in anyway.8 -
I think Watson and Pratley pairing is because of our injuries and getting players back to fitness. Some of you wobblers need to wind it in. You can’t pick you best 11 every game.
The only embarrassing thing here is someone the fans1 -
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Ffs Bowyer get back to basics and sort it out1 -
Might be coincidence but Bowyer only seems to do this with players that you wouldn't expect to answer back (Williams, Morgan).8
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Bowyer has gone down in my estimation massively today. Also he says players don’t pull out of challenges in his team... Have a rewatch of the Burton game Lee.Chunes said:14 -
That quote from Bowyer has proper wound me up. Far worse than his comments about the crowd last week9
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Probably a bigger problem that none of your teams show any creativity or footballing ability than a injury prone player bottling a challenge Lee 🤔Chunes said:9 -
I am. I'm done. Far too negative, no width, no pace, no creativity. We have some good players but WE ARE NOT A TEAM.Bedsaddick said:
who is calling for his head ?JoshAddick said:people calling for bowyers head as if we’re not top 6 with a game in hand ffs give your head a check
Took Williams off because he shirked a challenge (this has come from Bowyer via Louis Mendes). In the last 6 months Bowyer has taken Morgan off for not tracking back & Bogle for not running about enough.
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Awful performance again, pulling of Williams as he says he shirked a challenge was naive and stupid of Bowyer.
Somethings not right in that dressing room, players don't talk to each other.3 -
For me if we are going to get promoted I can’t see it with him upfront, sometimes his hold up play is alright but he plays far too deep as a striker and with our slow midfield we don’t get enough body’s in the box. It could be the case the LB wants him to play that way but I don’t see goals with him in the side.Leuth said:
Why Bogle, of all of them? Explain yourselfBilko said:I’m afraid that’s LB fault with didn’t get the 3pts today because of his tactics, even though we didn’t deserve to win. Our play is so slow and predictable and we need more pace in the side especially in midfield.
PS please can we send back Bogle.0 -
Rubbish excuse.Chunes said:
I have seen loads of players pull out of challenges and not be taking of in Lee Bowyers teams.
What is going on in his head atm2 -
Ha, he wants to see the couple of taxi driver routes Maddison took the other night to avoid making a tackleChunes said:6 - Sponsored links:
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BTW Washington pulled out of a challenge in first half. Bowyer has it in for Williams who at this level is a top player.2
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Interesting that Driesen is still watching(?) us. Obviously I'm not giving him credit for the promotion side 2 season ago, but can't argue with his comment...
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We've got a week before the next game. It's a good time for Bow to take a few days off, pick up a rod and recharge his batteries. A rested and refocused Bow is still our best bet for turning this slump around.0
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We don't play well under pressure and Bowyer's tactics invited pressure. It isn't too late, we are still up there but Bowyer is not going to win us promotion unless he finds his balls. His treatment of Williams today and recently is a disgrace. He did the same with Bogle recently when he was no worse than anybody else. And Gunter can play like he is the old man in the Hackney Marshes team who is playing a season too many and he is kept on to lose us even more points. Watson and Pratley are both destroyers. Both good players but playing them both is what a coward does.2
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Bowyer losing the plot, even in his back tracking on slagging fans off midweek... he was slagging fans off.
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We literally scored because of his control, composure and vision to set us awayBilko said:
For me if we are going to get promoted I can’t see it with him upfront, sometimes his hold up play is alright but he plays far too deep as a striker and with our slow midfield we don’t get enough body’s in the box. It could be the case the LB wants him to play that way but I don’t see goals with him in the side.Leuth said:
Why Bogle, of all of them? Explain yourselfBilko said:I’m afraid that’s LB fault with didn’t get the 3pts today because of his tactics, even though we didn’t deserve to win. Our play is so slow and predictable and we need more pace in the side especially in midfield.
PS please can we send back Bogle.3 -
But you can't make 3 or 4 changes every game, and continually change formation, and get any consistency.esseffect said:I think Watson and Pratley pairing is because of our injuries and getting players back to fitness. Some of you wobblers need to wind it in. You can’t pick you best 11 every game.
The only embarrassing thing here is someone the fans
Bowyer needs to work out what his best team is, what formation he wants to play, and play it and stop always looking forward to the next game and resting people.4 -
Makes you laugh. Bowyer fuming at the game management of the players he's picked, tactics he's coached, and subs he's made. He's come across as a right cock this week, everyone's fault but his own.32
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I don't think Maddison was ill today. I think Bowyer told him he was ill.AFKABartram said:
Ha, he wants to see the couple of taxi driver routes Maddison took the other night to avoid making a tackleChunes said:6 -
A late sickener in the final minute of injury time felt like last season revisited but we were under the cosh for the last 15 minutes and lacked the ability and composure to get out of our own half. A low quality, scrappy game and, objectively speaking, a draw was a fair result against a limited Shrewsbury side. That looked to me like bog standard League 1 fare - slow, pedestrian and a lack of movement and imagination.
A very worrying performance from a team with promotion aspirations. A win would have papered over the cracks to a limited extent but, overall, this was simply not good enough.
On the plus side, Pearce and Famewo were solid in central defence and Amos turned in another good performance. Maatsen also did well and, in the first half, was our only real attacking threat. Watson had a decent enough game in midfield but we lacked any fluidity and offered practically nothing up top. Chuks looked sluggish at the start of the game and was well shackled by their big defenders, whilst Washington was ineffectual and too easily dispossessed. The substitution of Jonny Williams looked a little petulant and ill-considered.
Plenty for Bowyer to ponder and much work to be done this week at Sparrows Lane.8
