Lee mate. Chose your preferred system. Pick your best players to fit that and give it a fair crack. Allow the players a chance to gel into that system instead of asking them to do different things every match. No wonder they’re not gelling. Once players are comfortable with that you can tweak even during the game but third tier players need a shape to hang their hats on and fall back on when it’s tough. Keep it simple and choose your best players.
Absolutely bang on, and precisely what he hasn’t done!!.
While the decision about Bowyer's future remains Sandgaard's prerogative (and rightly so), if/when a decision has been made I would hope that some sort of statement would be made.
Unfortunately we are now in the position of where many fans seem to expect Bowyer to leave at some point but with a question of when. A bit of clarity and direction would certainly not go amiss, even if it's just a generic "we still haven't decided but conversations are ongoing."
I agree. If TS is backing Bowyer to reshape the squad in the summer whatever happens this season then there is no harm in saying so is there? If radio silence resumes I can only assume that Bowyer's future is up in the air.
Whatever else for me I will always buy and watch the stream. I see the misery as the price you pay to legitimately enjoy the successes (if they ever happen). I don't have anything against those who boycott, it's just not for me.
There have been a couple of reports, not 100% verified, that he doesn't rate Bowyer. One appeared on the other site we don't mention, and another on here where a poster reported Roddy told an ex colleague (who he knew) this.
According to Jim White on Talkshite Bowyer has Sandgaards full backing so his opinion on Lee may not matter?
Everything Jim White says is utter bollox. Probably means by by Bowyer
I’m actually quite comforted that on the face of it, Sandgaard doesn’t appear to be a trigger happy lunatic
Any employer worth their salt would be putting a support plan in place to get their employee through a sticky period. If TS has given Bowyer his support he must surely be bringing someone in with experience to help him ... just a thought.
Whatever happened to supporting your team through thick and thin? Some of the posts on here are quite simply embarrassing.
As for the disrespect being shown to Bowyer when things ain’t going our way just remember when our club was desperately on its knees Bowyer stood by us and kept our club alive. He has earn’t through his loyalty to us a summer with no distractions, no shit owners, no transfer embargo and no wage cap.
Yeah bang of fella.
Let's carry on out of loyalty losing matches with players playing with no desire and seemingly without any tactics.
Have you not been witnessing what's been going on all season? I really wanted it to work out but he hasn't got a clue what style of football we should be playing, what formation is best, what players to pick. The players do not know what to do!!!
Lee mate. Chose your preferred system. Pick your best players to fit that and give it a fair crack. Allow the players a chance to gel into that system instead of asking them to do different things every match. No wonder they’re not gelling. Once players are comfortable with that you can tweak even during the game but third tier players need a shape to hang their hats on and fall back on when it’s tough. Keep it simple and choose your best players.
The back 6 on Tuesday were all here last season (Matthews even trained with us over the summer). I bet that's the first time they have all played in those positions together.
It's also probably the 1st time Oshilaja has played as an "over lapping" left sided center half in a 3?
Not remotely the Messiah nor the enemy either (as it stands.) But the belief seems to be that he has been appointed as TS' expert/advisor on English football in general and Charlton specifically, and how to make the football side a success as TS can handle the business/commercial aspects already. If this is true, it's again a fair assumption that Roddy's opinion of Bowyer is very likely to greatly influence Sandgaard's.
Lee mate. Chose your preferred system. Pick your best players to fit that and give it a fair crack. Allow the players a chance to gel into that system instead of asking them to do different things every match. No wonder they’re not gelling. Once players are comfortable with that you can tweak even during the game but third tier players need a shape to hang their hats on and fall back on when it’s tough. Keep it simple and choose your best players.
The back 6 on Tuesday were all here last season (Matthews even trained with us over the summer). I bet that's the first time they have all played in those positions together.
It's also probably the 1st time Oshilaja has played as an "over lapping" left sided center half in a 3?
Do many centre halves in a three over lap?
It was awful to see how open we left ourselves with the wingers, the wing backs and the side CB's too far forward.
Lee mate. Chose your preferred system. Pick your best players to fit that and give it a fair crack. Allow the players a chance to gel into that system instead of asking them to do different things every match. No wonder they’re not gelling. Once players are comfortable with that you can tweak even during the game but third tier players need a shape to hang their hats on and fall back on when it’s tough. Keep it simple and choose your best players.
The back 6 on Tuesday were all here last season (Matthews even trained with us over the summer). I bet that's the first time they have all played in those positions together.
It's also probably the 1st time Oshilaja has played as an "over lapping" left sided center half in a 3?
Do many centre halves in a three over lap?
It was awful to see how open we left ourselves with the wingers, the wing backs and the side CB's too far forward.
I do wonder if Bowyer is managing his players too forensically. Maybe if he gave them fewer instructions and played a standard 4-4-2 with just basics on the opposition something might change. I think I am saying, manage a bit less and back their individual abilities/qualities compared to opponents.
What he seems to do is search for a complex tactic that might be asking too much of them. I'm not saying Bowyer is not intelligent, but he might not be as intelligent as he thinks he is. Managing League One players is different from managing Premier League players.
It is what Curbs did when we were on a bad run. Go back to basics.
I do wonder if Bowyer is managing his players too forensically. Maybe if he gave them fewer instructions and played a standard 4-4-2 with just basics on the opposition something might change. I think I am saying, manage a bit less and back their individual abilities/qualities compared to opponents.
What he seems to do is search for a complex tactic that might be asking too much of them. I'm not saying Bowyer is not intelligent, but he might not be as intelligent as he thinks he is. Managing League One players is different from managing Premier League players.
It is what Curbs did when we were on a bad run. Go back to basics.
I don't think it's a question of intelligence, but I do agree that potentially it's an issue of over-management at the root. There's a bit of tunnel vision in the idea that if we just get The One Decision right then it will fix everything.
When actually just getting a very basic plan and letting them just play a bit might just be more likely to work.
Lee mate. Chose your preferred system. Pick your best players to fit that and give it a fair crack. Allow the players a chance to gel into that system instead of asking them to do different things every match. No wonder they’re not gelling. Once players are comfortable with that you can tweak even during the game but third tier players need a shape to hang their hats on and fall back on when it’s tough. Keep it simple and choose your best players.
The back 6 on Tuesday were all here last season (Matthews even trained with us over the summer). I bet that's the first time they have all played in those positions together.
It's also probably the 1st time Oshilaja has played as an "over lapping" left sided center half in a 3?
Do many centre halves in a three over lap?
It was awful to see how open we left ourselves with the wingers, the wing backs and the side CB's too far forward.
I do wonder if Bowyer is managing his players too forensically. Maybe if he gave them fewer instructions and played a standard 4-4-2 with just basics on the opposition something might change. I think I am saying, manage a bit less and back their individual abilities/qualities compared to opponents.
What he seems to do is search for a complex tactic that might be asking too much of them. I'm not saying Bowyer is not intelligent, but he might not be as intelligent as he thinks he is. Managing League One players is different from managing Premier League players.
It is what Curbs did when we were on a bad run. Go back to basics.
I don't think it's a question of intelligence, but I do agree that potentially it's an issue of over-management at the root. There's a bit of tunnel vision in the idea that if we just get The One Decision right then it will fix everything.
When actually just getting a very basic plan and letting them just play a bit might just be more likely to work.
What I am trying to say is that he has the intelligence to apply advanced tactics but maybe not the emotional intelligence to see that his players are not able to take to those tactics. I say this because he seems to have kept flogging the horse long after it has died.
Lee mate. Chose your preferred system. Pick your best players to fit that and give it a fair crack. Allow the players a chance to gel into that system instead of asking them to do different things every match. No wonder they’re not gelling. Once players are comfortable with that you can tweak even during the game but third tier players need a shape to hang their hats on and fall back on when it’s tough. Keep it simple and choose your best players.
The back 6 on Tuesday were all here last season (Matthews even trained with us over the summer). I bet that's the first time they have all played in those positions together.
It's also probably the 1st time Oshilaja has played as an "over lapping" left sided center half in a 3?
Do many centre halves in a three over lap?
It was awful to see how open we left ourselves with the wingers, the wing backs and the side CB's too far forward.
Lee mate. Chose your preferred system. Pick your best players to fit that and give it a fair crack. Allow the players a chance to gel into that system instead of asking them to do different things every match. No wonder they’re not gelling. Once players are comfortable with that you can tweak even during the game but third tier players need a shape to hang their hats on and fall back on when it’s tough. Keep it simple and choose your best players.
The back 6 on Tuesday were all here last season (Matthews even trained with us over the summer). I bet that's the first time they have all played in those positions together.
It's also probably the 1st time Oshilaja has played as an "over lapping" left sided center half in a 3?
Do many centre halves in a three over lap?
It was awful to see how open we left ourselves with the wingers, the wing backs and the side CB's too far forward.
I am sure he is trying it to find the magic tactic that works for us. But it brings us back to the question whether he should do that or might be better served simplifying.
When we had our run, I think Innis was a key part. He was winning everything in the air in our area, our opponent's area and even towards the middle of the park. It wasn't pretty or a tactical masterclass but it was effective.
Of course that player is injured, but there seems to be a simple tactic that is showing some promise of playing Aneke and Stockley as a front two. I was surprised Bowyer didn't set up with a side adopting this approach on Tuesday.
Rather than trying to be too clever, we need to look at the simple things that might make a difference.
I think his biggest issue is that a lot of these players aren't good enough to go man for man Vs other teams so he over complicates it to mask how many mistakes our players have in them. If we still had good players he would still be getting called Lord Bowyer.
We don't have a single energetic mid that can pass it and put in a tackle, closest that we should have had to that was Gilbey and look how that turned out. No Striker with footwork and pace to catch teams on the break, closest maybe Washington but just not on the level of your Lekos and Grants. No centre back like a Famewo until he came back. A goalie that has let in an outrageous amount of long distance efforts.
I still don't know what our best formation is. I know the front 2 pick themselves and the centre back pairing atm but after that then what?
Watson is slow and a shielder at best, Pratley is the type to work well when stopping a dangerous player, we shouldn't even need that in league 1, we should have the said dangerous players! Albie switches off, JFC out, probs was our best mid, Smith to me doesn't seem to be the type of midfielder Bowyer wants in the Cullen category, Shinnie is more of a playmaker from what I've seen. I know it's down to the management and recruitment but I really don't rate our midfield, I've seen some real quality players this season in midfield that make our lot look pants. So it's baffling to me why our recruitment has been so poor when the holes were obvious.
Basically who is our midfield 2? Cause I certainly don't rate any pair high enough to run a midfield so we are forced to play a 3 there, the game is won and lost in the midfield
If Sandgaard has given Bowyer this season, he is hardly going to undermine him before it is over. Jim White says Sandgaard is backing him but why hasn't Sandgaard? He hasn't been shy to send direct messages to fans before.
I just can not get on board with this take that LB has just
lost it. Reality is he and Gallen had us overperforming in the past few
seasons, getting us up and almost keeping us up in championship to the point
were unlucky to go down, we were only in the bottom three for about 3 weeks all
season last year.
To start this year the ownership situation was untenable,
transfer embargo, contracts of key players were allowed to lapse and in the
midst of it you had the salary cap to handcuff him and Gallen. To sack him off
the back of raising expectations due to achieving to me is wrong.
So I am firmly in the camp of give Bowyer time, and by that
I mean a stable off season with stable ownership, which ever league we are in
next season, I am not saying he’s beyond criticism or he’s got things right tactically
at time, its been grim to watch recently, but the circumstances he’s worked
under have not been normal to judge him on this year, and I think we just have
to face the fact we don’t have enough talent particularly in the midfield due
to having to rebuild under those circumstances, but I think it’d be a mistake
to say that changing Bowyer will fix that and suddenly send us on a run to
promotion.
Instead we just lose a promising manager with a connection
to the club, particularly when I can’t see who we’d bring in who would be a
notable upgrade.
Don’t let your highs get you too high and lows get you too
low.
That squad did not over-perform in getting promoted. That was easily one of the top 3 squads in the division.
Likewise we were not unlucky to go down last season. We went down with a whimper
Overperformed in building a competitive team in the circumstances under Roland where many had failed, the quality of loan signings and progress of players like Taylor who was not seen as a Championship level striker when we signed him, were as a result of Bowyer, and we had the lowest budget in the championship last year so reject the comment about going down with a whimper particularly with COVID and your top goals scorer sitting it out, we went down in the last minute of the last game of the season in the end of course that's unlucky.
I do wonder if Bowyer is managing his players too forensically. Maybe if he gave them fewer instructions and played a standard 4-4-2 with just basics on the opposition something might change. I think I am saying, manage a bit less and back their individual abilities/qualities compared to opponents.
What he seems to do is search for a complex tactic that might be asking too much of them. I'm not saying Bowyer is not intelligent, but he might not be as intelligent as he thinks he is. Managing League One players is different from managing Premier League players.
It is what Curbs did when we were on a bad run. Go back to basics.
Thought he didnt discuss tactics with the players though?
I think the message is clear that TS is backing him for now and I think it will be in everyone’s best interests if the general heat got dialled down now. Sandgaard’s decision making (at this stage) just simply needs acceptance from fans.
Even if a change was made today there is no guarantee at all that our fortunes this season would improve enough to put us in the Championship. so ultimately negative campaigning against the owner, manager, club etc won’t serve any real purpose other than making things more unharmonious.
Aren’t we all exhausted of campaigning against Charlton things? I know I am. If the end of season peters off or the poor form is making you depressed, just detach yourself from it and don’t buy the streams.
Proper football won’t really start for us again now to August. We need to start that new era strong as a club and enthused as a fanbase.
Who ever is in charge of signings this summer please do not sign injury prone players. Innis was just a liability waiting to happen. As good as he is how can you plan a team around players with his injury record. The same with the likes of Chucks, Williams etc....... Need a young fit vibrant team going forward, no Watson or Pratley next season!
I think the message is clear that TS is backing him for now and I think it will be in everyone’s best interests if the general heat got dialled down now. Sandgaard’s decision making (at this stage) just simply needs acceptance from fans.
Even if a change was made today there is no guarantee at all that our fortunes this season would improve enough to put us in the Championship. so ultimately negative campaigning against the owner, manager, club etc won’t serve any real purpose other than making things more unharmonious.
Aren’t we all exhausted of campaigning against Charlton things? I know I am. If the end of season peters off or the poor form is making you depressed, just detach yourself from it and don’t buy the streams.
Proper football won’t really start for us again now to August. We need to start that new era strong as a club and enthused as a fanbase.
Agree. TS seems an honourable man and I’m glad he’s giving Bow more time, particularly after his post Burton interview when he talked about needing a lift.
The bloke deserves some support, imo. Forget what he’s done in the past, just as a human being. I think a bit of loyalty will go a long way.
I think the message is clear that TS is backing him for now and I think it will be in everyone’s best interests if the general heat got dialled down now. Sandgaard’s decision making (at this stage) just simply needs acceptance from fans.
Even if a change was made today there is no guarantee at all that our fortunes this season would improve enough to put us in the Championship. so ultimately negative campaigning against the owner, manager, club etc won’t serve any real purpose other than making things more unharmonious.
Aren’t we all exhausted of campaigning against Charlton things? I know I am. If the end of season peters off or the poor form is making you depressed, just detach yourself from it and don’t buy the streams.
Proper football won’t really start for us again now to August. We need to start that new era strong as a club and enthused as a fanbase.
Someone also posted the other day how nice it is to be pissing and moaning and depressed about the football rather than off the field shenanigans.
A very good point that I am using to console myself and gain perspective after nights like Tuesday (well pretty much every Tuesday and Saturday)
The football may improve but can improve a lot easier than the off the pitch headaches and misery we had for the past 10 years. Of course we want both to be great but so long as we are not threatened with relegation which even on current form looks very unlikely then it is something to console ourseleves with.
Looks like Lee is here for the foreseeable and therefore should get 100% support and hope he can refind the form that made him a great manager for us not so long ago.
I have to say I find it disappointing that fans on here are now unwilling to purchase the streams, it seems a bit petulant to walk away just because we we aren't very good.
Our current form gives me the right hump every Tuesday and Saturday like the rest of us. But I'll be supporting Thomas with my cash because he's just spent a lump of money on building a fantastic new TV format for us fans and he deserves backing for that - not for us to just walk away because we're not winning or people don't rate Bows.
Another way of looking at it is that our viewership helps the club in many ways:
- Reduces TS losses - Potentially increases the playing budget for next season - Bigger viewing figures will attract more commercial and sponsorship opportunities and revenues.
... and for the Bows out mob, maybe if Thomas isn't losing a small fortune a week maybe he can afford to pay out Bows contract
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I see the misery as the price you pay to legitimately enjoy the successes (if they ever happen).
I don't have anything against those who boycott, it's just not for me.
Too early to judge in any way.
Probably means by by Bowyer
Let's carry on out of loyalty losing matches with players playing with no desire and seemingly without any tactics.
Have you not been witnessing what's been going on all season? I really wanted it to work out but he hasn't got a clue what style of football we should be playing, what formation is best, what players to pick. The players do not know what to do!!!
But you're right out of loyalty lets keep going.
It's also probably the 1st time Oshilaja has played as an "over lapping" left sided center half in a 3?
If this is true, it's again a fair assumption that Roddy's opinion of Bowyer is very likely to greatly influence Sandgaard's.
It was awful to see how open we left ourselves with the wingers, the wing backs and the side CB's too far forward.
What he seems to do is search for a complex tactic that might be asking too much of them. I'm not saying Bowyer is not intelligent, but he might not be as intelligent as he thinks he is. Managing League One players is different from managing Premier League players.
It is what Curbs did when we were on a bad run. Go back to basics.
When actually just getting a very basic plan and letting them just play a bit might just be more likely to work.
When we had our run, I think Innis was a key part. He was winning everything in the air in our area, our opponent's area and even towards the middle of the park. It wasn't pretty or a tactical masterclass but it was effective.
Of course that player is injured, but there seems to be a simple tactic that is showing some promise of playing Aneke and Stockley as a front two. I was surprised Bowyer didn't set up with a side adopting this approach on Tuesday.
Rather than trying to be too clever, we need to look at the simple things that might make a difference.
We don't have a single energetic mid that can pass it and put in a tackle, closest that we should have had to that was Gilbey and look how that turned out. No Striker with footwork and pace to catch teams on the break, closest maybe Washington but just not on the level of your Lekos and Grants. No centre back like a Famewo until he came back. A goalie that has let in an outrageous amount of long distance efforts.
I still don't know what our best formation is. I know the front 2 pick themselves and the centre back pairing atm but after that then what?
Watson is slow and a shielder at best, Pratley is the type to work well when stopping a dangerous player, we shouldn't even need that in league 1, we should have the said dangerous players! Albie switches off, JFC out, probs was our best mid, Smith to me doesn't seem to be the type of midfielder Bowyer wants in the Cullen category, Shinnie is more of a playmaker from what I've seen. I know it's down to the management and recruitment but I really don't rate our midfield, I've seen some real quality players this season in midfield that make our lot look pants. So it's baffling to me why our recruitment has been so poor when the holes were obvious.
Basically who is our midfield 2? Cause I certainly don't rate any pair high enough to run a midfield so we are forced to play a 3 there, the game is won and lost in the midfield
Even if a change was made today there is no guarantee at all that our fortunes this season would improve enough to put us in the Championship. so ultimately negative campaigning against the owner, manager, club etc won’t serve any real purpose other than making things more unharmonious.
Need a young fit vibrant team going forward, no Watson or Pratley next season!
Forget what he’s done in the past, just as a human being.
I think a bit of loyalty will go a long way.
Someone also posted the other day how nice it is to be pissing and moaning and depressed about the football rather than off the field shenanigans.
A very good point that I am using to console myself and gain perspective after nights like Tuesday (well pretty much every Tuesday and Saturday)
The football may improve but can improve a lot easier than the off the pitch headaches and misery we had for the past 10 years. Of course we want both to be great but so long as we are not threatened with relegation which even on current form looks very unlikely then it is something to console ourseleves with.
Looks like Lee is here for the foreseeable and therefore should get 100% support and hope he can refind the form that made him a great manager for us not so long ago.
Our current form gives me the right hump every Tuesday and Saturday like the rest of us. But I'll be supporting Thomas with my cash because he's just spent a lump of money on building a fantastic new TV format for us fans and he deserves backing for that - not for us to just walk away because we're not winning or people don't rate Bows.
Another way of looking at it is that our viewership helps the club in many ways:
- Reduces TS losses
- Potentially increases the playing budget for next season
- Bigger viewing figures will attract more commercial and sponsorship opportunities and revenues.
... and for the Bows out mob, maybe if Thomas isn't losing a small fortune a week maybe he can afford to pay out Bows contract