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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Where the Fbomb do you get that stat from? I don't know where i sit on this matter, but i guarantee you 99% of fans don't want Bowyer gone.carly burn said:Owner/CEO staying loyal to his manager when 99% of the fan base are baying for his blood.
That really would be unique.12 -
I have a lot of sympathy for what he's ensured. Even since Sandgaard has come in building a promotion winning side is never easy, and when you consider the time left in the 'summer' window and the cap it's not easy. I don't have any issues with us not going up this season, would have been a fantastic achievement if it were to happen. But to get to this stage not knowing his best side, formation or tactics isn't progress, it's the complete opposite. For that reason I've lost faith not only in his ability to winning football matches but transfers in general. He always had the Roland excuse (which wasn't unwarranted) but he's still struggling to build his squad. It's why I haven't agreed with those saying he should be given the summer. I'd genuinely be concerned with what we were left with if he was to stay on and got sacked next September/October.1
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I think that’s a very good pointFirenzeAddick said:Could it also be that there were characters in the dressing room over the past couple of seasons who masked some of Bowyer's frailties in terms of man management?
Solly, Phillips, Cullen, Sarr, Taylor & Williams were all big hits in the dressing room and clearly had a great spirit which carried them through in lots of ways.
We have a couple of honest Pro's in Pratley in Pearce.... but you need way more than that.0 -
I'd say 99% of fans would be thrilled for Bowyer to turn it around and return to the man we saw in 17/18, 18/19 and the start of 19/20.31
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You could probably cut the grass at The Valley on Saturday between 3 - 5 and be in no danger of being hit by the ball in the half that we are attacking.jimmymelrose said:Nearly 24 hours since yesterday's shitshow and I've come on CL for the first time today surprised that he hasn't been sacked yet.
Despite having bought an annual pass I'm not watching on Saturday. I'll have far more fun cutting the grass.2 -
He has but is he a better player than the day he walked in "the building"?addick1956 said:
Osilaja has done well most of the given how others around him have played .Cafc43v3r said:Regarding tactics and sets ups, formations etc.
Bowyer was the sort of player that if the manager said your playing right back today, he would go and do it. Even if he had never played there before. His basic skill set and knowledge of the game we see him able to "do a job". But he was a top top player, no one in our current squad is close in terms of that. Not even Pratley, Watson Gunter etc even when they were 10 years younger.
Millar, in 6 weeks, has played in 5 different positions for us! That's not normal.
Roy Keane had similar problems when he was a manager.
A good manager at this level is able to negate the weakness in his players.
Is the fact the best players under Bowyer are all now playing at a higher level cause or effect?
I don't see any improvement in players with a lower level of potential like JFC, Morgan, Oshilaja.0 -
I think so, we immediately started him at RB where he was fine. We haven't seen him there for a while but at LCB he has looked really decent.Cafc43v3r said:
He has but is he a better player than the day he walked in "the building"?addick1956 said:
Osilaja has done well most of the given how others around him have played .Cafc43v3r said:Regarding tactics and sets ups, formations etc.
Bowyer was the sort of player that if the manager said your playing right back today, he would go and do it. Even if he had never played there before. His basic skill set and knowledge of the game we see him able to "do a job". But he was a top top player, no one in our current squad is close in terms of that. Not even Pratley, Watson Gunter etc even when they were 10 years younger.
Millar, in 6 weeks, has played in 5 different positions for us! That's not normal.
Roy Keane had similar problems when he was a manager.
A good manager at this level is able to negate the weakness in his players.
Is the fact the best players under Bowyer are all now playing at a higher level cause or effect?
I don't see any improvement in players with a lower level of potential like JFC, Morgan, Oshilaja.
Never alongside Pearce though.
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As much as it pains me to say it, I think we need a clear out from top to bottom tbh. That includes Bowyer, Gallen etc. Now we have an owner with ambition and drive to succeed I'm hopeful that we will do this. We won't be achieving anything under the current set up.
It's a shame but it's not working and it is getting worse by the week. We are in danger of finishing in our lowest ever position and I can only see it getting worse once playoffs are 100% out of reach. The players heads will drop even more playing out dead rubbers till the end of the season.
If/when Bowyer goes I will thank him for what he's done and had to endure during the other ownerships and wish him well but the time is NOW to pull the trigger Sandgaard, even if it is to get some momentum going into next season.0 -
Anyone that watched the last couple of post match interviews with LB can see he is at the end of his tether. I feel so sorry for him as he obviously isnt thinking straight. When the team was announced yesterday most people looked at it and the general opinion was WTF is he doing ! 5 at the back vrs the team bottom.of the league ? A midfield so immobile I would fancy my chances in a foot race with them ( and I'm knackered ) if most people could see that what an earth was he thinking ? Then to turn around and say publically that he doesnt expect to win against Blackpool ! Is just incredible.
As others gave said he needs a break and in most occupations he would be taken aside and told to take a holiday to recharge his batteries, unfortunately I dont think that can happen in the case of a football manager.
I also find it sad that many fans are calling him names and being very disrespectful imo he has stuck by us through a nightmare period and deserves our respect for that. But that doesnt change the fact that I honestly cant see him snapping out of his current mindset and that mindset is obviously not working. I would rather end it now before things get worse and he suffers more than he is already. Just sad to watch imo4 -
Ah so you didn't see the actual team. We all assumed incorrectly that Pratley would be alongside Watson (a pairing that has been part of a team that took 10 points from 12)AndyG said:When the team was announced yesterday most people looked at it and the general opinion was WTF is he doing ! 5 at the back vrs the team bottom.of the league ? A midfield so immobile I would fancy my chances in a foot race with them ( and I'm knackered ) if most people could see that what an earth was he thinking?
We actually had a pretty mobile midfield and Watson looked very decent first half.
Second half we came out looking dejected and broken.
We played 3-4-3Pratley Pearce OshilajaMatthews Shinnie Watson PurringtonJaiyesimi Stockley Millar0 - Sponsored links:
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And he always gives 100%, and seems to actually care.addick1956 said:
Osilaja has done well most of the given how others around him have played .Cafc43v3r said:Regarding tactics and sets ups, formations etc.
Bowyer was the sort of player that if the manager said your playing right back today, he would go and do it. Even if he had never played there before. His basic skill set and knowledge of the game we see him able to "do a job". But he was a top top player, no one in our current squad is close in terms of that. Not even Pratley, Watson Gunter etc even when they were 10 years younger.
Millar, in 6 weeks, has played in 5 different positions for us! That's not normal.
Roy Keane had similar problems when he was a manager.
A good manager at this level is able to negate the weakness in his players.
Is the fact the best players under Bowyer are all now playing at a higher level cause or effect?
I don't see any improvement in players with a lower level of potential like JFC, Morgan, Oshilaja.6 -
His touch seemed better than I thought he was capable of yesterday. There is a decent player in there.0
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I think it’s fairly clear he’s here for the rest of the season now so I will be fully behind Bowyer for the remaining third of the season.5
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If that’s true, I’m glad I cashed out my bet on finishing in the top half of the league!Callumcafc said:I think it’s fairly clear he’s here for the rest of the season now so I will be fully behind Bowyer for the remaining third of the season.0 -
Imagine how bad we might have been if there were crowds in the stand with plenty of boooooooing going on cos that would have put the players off and made them worse 🤷♂️1
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Don’t think it would have been that bad, it’s hardly likely the ground would be full. Not after so many weeks of poor, poor performances.oohaahmortimer said:Imagine how bad we might have been if there were crowds in the stand with plenty of boooooooing going on cos that would have put the players off and made them worse 🤷♂️
I also think that LB, JJ, and the players know they have now dipped to their lowest point in the fans eyes. Which is why I’m looking forward to Saturday, because if they don’t put in a performance, and can’t motivate themselves, then the LB era must be over. And that means a clear out of quite a lot, so none of them are safe. I really hope this is as low as it gets performance wise and we do turn it around, LB, JJ, on paper are the ideal Charlton fit, too good to be true, or just another pipe dream. We shall see!0 -
I'll 100% be behind him to turn things around and for us to go on a run.Callumcafc said:I think it’s fairly clear he’s here for the rest of the season now so I will be fully behind Bowyer for the remaining third of the season.
But until I see evidence of that happening in results and feedback on here I won't be watching another minute on Valley Pass. The football is just awful to watch currently.
I preferred it last season when we had a bunch of kids, fighting against quality teams like Leeds - then watching us get torn apart by a sloppy team like Burton.3 -
If that's true, that would tell its own story. I suspect the ground would have been full earlier in the season.Crafty57 said:
Don’t think it would have been that bad, it’s hardly likely the ground would be full. Not after so many weeks of poor, poor performances.oohaahmortimer said:Imagine how bad we might have been if there were crowds in the stand with plenty of boooooooing going on cos that would have put the players off and made them worse 🤷♂️
I also think that LB, JJ, and the players know they have now dipped to their lowest point in the fans eyes. Which is why I’m looking forward to Saturday, because if they don’t put in a performance, and can’t motivate themselves, then the LB era must be over. And that means a clear out of quite a lot, so none of them are safe. I really hope this is as low as it gets performance wise and we do turn it around, LB, JJ, on paper are the ideal Charlton fit, too good to be true, or just another pipe dream. We shall see!0 -
Would booooooing this team make them worse or better 🤷♂️0
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I don't see how it could make them worse at the moment. I suspect the second halves against Wimbledon and Rochdale might have been very different though.oohaahmortimer said:Would booooooing this team make them worse or better 🤷♂️0 -
I can't imagine it would make them better. Has it ever improved a team? (serious question)oohaahmortimer said:Would booooooing this team make them worse or better 🤷♂️
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Looks like Bowyer will be here for the rest of the season. Like all Charlton fans, I hope he turns it around & really want him to, but I won't be watching.
Im not paying £10 a game to watch any more of this rubbish under Bowyer.5 -
If Bowyer stays, I won't be buying anymore games. Can't bare to watch this rudderless team drift into mid table any longer.3
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Exactly this.Dazzler21 said:I'd say 99% of fans would be thrilled for Bowyer to turn it around and return to the man we saw in 17/18, 18/19 and the start of 19/20.I think Bowyers time is up. It doesn’t make me anti Bowyer. I am anti under performing.Nothing would make me happier than Bowyer taking us up but it’s not going to happen.14 -
Genuinely can’t believe he’s still in charge. What on earth is going on?1
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Let’s see what happens........ but in keeping LB on we would also be seeing TS and his decision making in action. It his choice after all - not ours.
Its automatic promotion or nothing else next year in my eyes.
If TS keeps him on and we fail again next season, I will be disappointed in him as well as LB.
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That squad did not over-perform in getting promoted. That was easily one of the top 3 squads in the division.SCT1980 said:I just can not get on board with this take that LB has just lost it. Reality is he and Gallen had us overperforming in the past few seasons, getting us up and almost keeping us up in championship to the point were unlucky to go down, we were only in the bottom three for about 3 weeks all season last year.
To start this year the ownership situation was untenable, transfer embargo, contracts of key players were allowed to lapse and in the midst of it you had the salary cap to handcuff him and Gallen. To sack him off the back of raising expectations due to achieving to me is wrong.
So I am firmly in the camp of give Bowyer time, and by that I mean a stable off season with stable ownership, which ever league we are in next season, I am not saying he’s beyond criticism or he’s got things right tactically at time, its been grim to watch recently, but the circumstances he’s worked under have not been normal to judge him on this year, and I think we just have to face the fact we don’t have enough talent particularly in the midfield due to having to rebuild under those circumstances, but I think it’d be a mistake to say that changing Bowyer will fix that and suddenly send us on a run to promotion.
Instead we just lose a promising manager with a connection to the club, particularly when I can’t see who we’d bring in who would be a notable upgrade.
Don’t let your highs get you too high and lows get you too low.
Likewise we were not unlucky to go down last season. We went down with a whimper10 -
I had a feeling he’d still be here, despite being very ambitious I think TS is more patient than many expected.Bolderhumphreyreid said:Genuinely can’t believe he’s still in charge. What on earth is going on?
On the other hand there could be various reasons for it as AFKA said further back in this thread.8 -
I think we’ll cross that particular bridge when we get to it...ValleyGary said:
Dangerous game IF Bowyer was to have an upturn in form and it got out that Roddy was actively recruiting a replacement.SELR_addicks said:I think Bowyer will stay in the job for as long as it takes Ged Roddy to find his man to take us forward.
You'd be very naive to think that Roddy hasn't already been looking.0
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