It is not even easy interviewing in (Full) Lockdown, so I don't think it's as clear-cut as to whether we stick with Bowyer for now + next season, or get rid in order to hire now for both this + next season.
We just have to all crack on with it.
Building slowly sometimes means just that, building slowly. I had hoped we would have shown too much quality for the need to build slowly, but it looks like neither the manager or a select few key players are able to carry us single handly to the next level. So, we are going to have to do it the slow(errr) way.
how does building slowly fit into TS getting into the PL in five years time?
Do you think that was his real plan for Charlton or an ideal situation if everything went spot on from his ownership?
ie. If every team did not score a Wordly against us in every single this season, the 5 year plan would still be realistic.
Bowyer is clearly not willing to take responsibility for the shambles that has ensued for the last 2-3 months. The stupidest thing he has done is claiming the club are over achieving. What incentive have any of the players got to improve things after that! LB sadly lost it and it would be best for all if he went now.
On the one hand if TS wants to write off the season and give Bowyer a full transfer window and crack at it next season then fair enough. On the other hand i think Bowyer looks demoralised, devoid of ideas and seemingly has no clue on his best team/formation so i don't see how prolonging things is going to do us any good in the long run.
I hope he turns it round but i fear that we could be wasting months.
Personally I don’t care how shit we are (we are currently in the worse footballing period in our history , since that first promotion out of the third tier) but I’m happy to watch us on a grainy shitty picture with just Terry and Greg prattling on 2 seconds in advance of the play without the score or a clock on . This slick production is beyond all my wildest fantasies . I’m unconditionally in love with us no matter how lame I think our support is or how shit our manager is . It twas ever thus
Also if people can afford it , financially as well as mentally , I believe we should all be buying Valley Pass as a big thank you to the miracle owner we have . Of course it’s all gonna end in tears , there won’t be Europe or years of Prem football but FairPlay to him having set the bar high ... I won’t hold him to it
The view now seems to be overwhelmingly/exclusively that Bowyer should go. Does anyone still think he should stay? @ElfsborgAddick I know you were keen to give him more time, is that still the case or was last night final straw type stuff?
I have to concede that Bowyer's last 12 months have not been great. I cannot offer much more of a defence for him.
Probably all the short sighted and intellectually challenged posters
Good to see you’re finally self aware
Pathetic
Perhaps you could try and stop being so rude to others?
I think your find I was repeat someone else words. If you don't like my posts stop replying to all of them. If someone accuses me of being intellectually challenged or calls me childish names I think I have ever right to respond.
To be fair to Bowyer, it was his "strange" comment about the new ownership that completely cemented my opinion that the new ownership was dodgy/corrupt so fair play to him for that really.
Agree with this, and an extra fair play to his sales skills on getting a bumper contract in the strange times!
Probably all the short sighted and intellectually challenged posters
Good to see you’re finally self aware
Pathetic
Perhaps you could try and stop being so rude to others?
I think your find I was repeat someone else words. If you don't like my posts stop replying to all of them. If someone accuses me of being intellectually challenged or calls me childish names I think I have ever right to respond.
Did I? OK, can't remember when I did, especially as I've gone out of my way to ignore this thread for the majority of its existence
Probably all the short sighted and intellectually challenged posters
Good to see you’re finally self aware
Pathetic
Perhaps you could try and stop being so rude to others?
I think your find I was repeat someone else words. If you don't like my posts stop replying to all of them. If someone accuses me of being intellectually challenged or calls me childish names I think I have ever right to respond.
I’ve never booed a Charlton team or player and never will. Those that do should give their heads a wobble.
Couldn't agree more.
I clapped us off after the Colchester FAC defeat and Hull 6-0.
I don't remember "shouting abuse" at the players after those games, but I certainly didn't applaud them as they hadn't earnt any applause or thanks for those performances, and I doubt they would have expected it anyway
Probably all the short sighted and intellectually challenged posters
Good to see you’re finally self aware
Pathetic
Perhaps you could try and stop being so rude to others?
I think your find I was repeat someone else words. If you don't like my posts stop replying to all of them. If someone accuses me of being intellectually challenged or calls me childish names I think I have ever right to respond.
It was YOU who used that expression.
Yes as a joke, using a face. After someone said that about anyone who dare doubt Lee Bowyer on this thread. That caused a 3 page fracas.
Anyway it doesn't matter, if you missed the joke and thought I was applying to you or @Rothko I apologise.
Whatever happened to supporting your team through thick and thin? Some of the posts on here are quite simply embarrassing.
As for the disrespect being shown to Bowyer when things ain’t going our way just remember when our club was desperately on its knees Bowyer stood by us and kept our club alive. He has earn’t through his loyalty to us a summer with no distractions, no shit owners, no transfer embargo and no wage cap.
See this argument a lot, and I don't really understand it. What exactly did Bowyer do, to keep our club alive? It was fans groups that uncovered ES1 2, it was Lauren and Mihail who prevailed in court, and it was Sandgaard who bought us - and ultimately saved us.
Bowyer has been manager through a very difficult period, no doubt. But can he be credited with keeping the club alive? If he'd gone, we would have had a replacement (probably a shit one) and still likely have been relegated.
Absolutely this, also would bowyer have stuck it out in that period if he had been offered something better? When I say better I mean better, so don’t start throwing places like Cardiff and Huddersfield about. Leeds, Newcastle, Birmingham, West Ham etc. Not that I think he would be good enough for any of those... at the moment.
Probably all the short sighted and intellectually challenged posters
Good to see you’re finally self aware
Pathetic
Perhaps you could try and stop being so rude to others?
I think your find I was repeat someone else words. If you don't like my posts stop replying to all of them. If someone accuses me of being intellectually challenged or calls me childish names I think I have ever right to respond.
It was YOU who used that expression.
Yes as a joke, using a face. After someone said that about anyone who dare doubt Lee Bowyer on this thread. That caused a 3 page fracas.
Anyway it doesn't matter, if you missed the joke and thought I was applying to you or @Rothko I apologise.
Just for information, I've sadly gone through my 12 posts on this thread, and have never used that expression about anyone.
Fair enough. Thomas wants to give Lee a crack next season. I’m ok with that but wary. Make no mistake the summer will be Lee’s transfer window and I’m thinking that our dealings will not be matched by anyone else in league one. Promotion will be fully expected and LB won’t have anywhere to hide. I’m really hoping the signings and Lee do the bizzo and I’m sure this time next year we’ll be buzzing.
Probably all the short sighted and intellectually challenged posters
Good to see you’re finally self aware
Pathetic
Perhaps you could try and stop being so rude to others?
I think your find I was repeat someone else words. If you don't like my posts stop replying to all of them. If someone accuses me of being intellectually challenged or calls me childish names I think I have ever right to respond.
It was YOU who used that expression.
Yes as a joke, using a face. After someone said that about anyone who dare doubt Lee Bowyer on this thread. That caused a 3 page fracas.
Anyway it doesn't matter, if you missed the joke and thought I was applying to you or @Rothko I apologise.
Just for information, I've sadly gone through my 12 posts on this thread, and have never used that expression about anyone.
Fair enough. Thomas wants to give Lee a crack next season. I’m ok with that but wary. Make no mistake the summer will be Lee’s transfer window and I’m thinking that our dealings will not be matched by anyone else in league one. Promotion will be fully expected and LB won’t have anywhere to hide. I’m really hoping the signings and Lee do the bizzo and I’m sure this time next year we’ll be buzzing.
Lee's performance as a manager this season has been utterly dreadful - I find it hard to believe TS will leave him in charge next season. I must be missing something?
Fair enough. Thomas wants to give Lee a crack next season. I’m ok with that but wary. Make no mistake the summer will be Lee’s transfer window and I’m thinking that our dealings will not be matched by anyone else in league one. Promotion will be fully expected and LB won’t have anywhere to hide. I’m really hoping the signings and Lee do the bizzo and I’m sure this time next year we’ll be buzzing.
Lee's performance as a manager this season has been utterly dreadful - I find it hard to believe TS will leave him in charge next season. I must be missing something?
The fact he's apparently gone through TalkSport today backing him?
Either its the vote of confidence or even through this run, TS has no intention of sacking him regardless where we finish
Probably all the short sighted and intellectually challenged posters
Good to see you’re finally self aware
Pathetic
Perhaps you could try and stop being so rude to others?
I think your find I was repeat someone else words. If you don't like my posts stop replying to all of them. If someone accuses me of being intellectually challenged or calls me childish names I think I have ever right to respond.
Must have misread the pretty clear implication here
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ie. If every team did not score a Wordly against us in every single this season, the 5 year plan would still be realistic.
On the one hand if TS wants to write off the season and give Bowyer a full transfer window and crack at it next season then fair enough.
On the other hand i think Bowyer looks demoralised, devoid of ideas and seemingly has no clue on his best team/formation so i don't see how prolonging things is going to do us any good in the long run.
I hope he turns it round but i fear that we could be wasting months.
Personally I don’t care how shit we are (we are currently in the worse footballing period in our history , since that first promotion out of the third tier) but I’m happy to watch us on a grainy shitty picture with just Terry and Greg prattling on 2 seconds in advance of the play without the score or a clock on .
This slick production is beyond all my wildest fantasies .
I’m unconditionally in love with us no matter how lame I think our support is or how shit our manager is .
It twas ever thus
Also if people can afford it , financially as well as mentally , I believe we should all be buying Valley Pass as a big thank you to the miracle owner we have .
Of course it’s all gonna end in tears , there won’t be Europe or years of Prem football but FairPlay to him having set the bar high ... I won’t hold him to it
what’s his exit plan 🤷♂️
B No team is going to gel when you play a different 11 every single bloody game
However if TS is backing him, then I truly hope Bowyer can turn it round and would be delighted to be proven wrong.
Anyway it doesn't matter, if you missed the joke and thought I was applying to you or @Rothko I apologise.
Either its the vote of confidence or even through this run, TS has no intention of sacking him regardless where we finish