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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Yeah he has played at a higher level than almost all the squad (although if he ever slagged off Gunter, old Chrissy boy could ask him if they could compare international caps and euro semi finals one night....).ct_addick said:Problem with Bowyer is that he competed at such a higher level than these players and is so much mentally stronger. There is a reason they are playing at this level.
But mentally stronger? After his Wibble-tastic offerings of the last few weeks I wouldn’t be surprised to see him speak after Wigan with his pants on his head and a portion of the north stands finest chips up each nostril1 -
Jose Mourinho. Made it clear his Man Utd team weren't good enough. He's also called out Spurs players recently and spoken ill of the squad in general.O-Randy-Hunt said:Genuine question. Are there any other managers in the football leagues that out their players publicly? Does any other manager have that style and does it benefit their team.
Just unsure if this is just bowyers style and no-one elses throughout the football leagues or other managers also do the same.
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Also when the time comes to appoint the next manager, a selling point of CAFC will be that Thomas gives you time to put things right through an extended bad run of results.MrLargo said:
Whilst I can no longer defend Bowyer's position, I'm absolutely delighted that our new owner isn't trigger happy and doesn't bow to pressure from supporters on social media.Gravesend_Addick said:Doesn't look like he's going does it??
Really can't understand Sandgaard's thinking here
It's very easy to come on here and say that he should sack him immediately, with the hefty payout that entails. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe he's not impressed by any of the available alternatives at the moment. We've almost certainly blown any chance of the play offs and need only 6 or 7 points from our least 15 games to be safe from relegation. Why rush? I'd rather sit through a couple more months of this dross if it means getting a better replacement in the summer, rather than rushing to appoint Cowley or Cook just to gain the short term approval of a proportion of our supporters.Not too many owners will do that these days and I would imagine it can put some of the best candidates off.3 -
Can we please remember Bowyer got his new contract when we were a Championship club and that’s why it’ll be inflated? Even so, I imagine it’s towards the lower end of that Championship spectrum.Beforehand he worked for 2 years on relative pennies so it’s not like he’s here to bleed the club dry. Can we kill that sentiment before it takes root please?12
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Yeah he has gone early at spurs but its normally in his 3rd season when he is trying to get the sack. See Chelsea, twice, Madrid and United.Chunes said:
Jose Mourinho. Made it clear his Man Utd team weren't good enough. He's also called out Spurs players recently and spoken ill of the squad in general.O-Randy-Hunt said:Genuine question. Are there any other managers in the football leagues that out their players publicly? Does any other manager have that style and does it benefit their team.
Just unsure if this is just bowyers style and no-one elses throughout the football leagues or other managers also do the same.0 -
Don't understand why that's such nonsense, tweet above already implies that Bowyer was offered a salary below the average of the Championship when we were in the ChampionshipScoham said:6 -
Yeah but Southall would have given him anything for the PR, he obviously had no intention of paying it.Scoham said:2 -
And yet Bowyer got his new Contract when we were in the Championship (in response to Scotty's comment)Scoham said:2 -
ricky_otto said:
Correct. By all means tear in to players (if justified) but do it behind closed doors. He has no man management skills whatsoever - I can’t for one minute believe that he will put his arm around a player and give them confidence when things go wrong. Managers stood by him as a player and gave him a bit of love. He has played under some good managers and looks like he has learned nothing.ElfsborgAddick said:
Coating players in public is a poor show.cafcfan1990 said:
Doesn’t mean he should stick with Bowyer for the second season just because we didn’t expect to go to up in the first.ElfsborgAddick said:
Sandgaard said Bowyer was the man for the job, and he wanted promotion in two seasons.MuttleyCAFC said:
Not if he hasn't assured him of such. Being a man of principle is not the same thing as being a fool.ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.You have to have the confidence that he’s the right man for the job. The slagging off of players, the recruitment, team selections and tactics are increasingly showing that just he’s not.I’m seriously starting to dislike him - a shame after the play off season, but he is losing the plot as the days go by.
I believe he would if they had put in 100% effort. At Bromley Addicks Lyle Taylor said as much. IMO Bow is angry that the players aren't giving their all and just going through the motions. If he stays (and I still hope he will) then that's a major thing to fix.
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£700k pa to call your work force c&&t$ and suck the life blood out of them - nice work if you can get it.oohaahmortimer said:£700k a year 😳 he’s done well to stay
Seriously surely a third tier manager shouldn’t even be on a half of that0 -
And Lee could talk about his 397 Premiership appearances to Chris' 25.DamoNorthStand said:
Yeah he has played at a higher level than almost all the squad (although if he ever slagged off Gunter, old Chrissy boy could ask him if they could compare international caps and euro semi finals one night....).ct_addick said:Problem with Bowyer is that he competed at such a higher level than these players and is so much mentally stronger. There is a reason they are playing at this level.
But mentally stronger? After his Wibble-tastic offerings of the last few weeks I wouldn’t be surprised to see him speak after Wigan with his pants on his head and a portion of the north stands finest chips up each nostril
If Bowyer was Welsh he would have got quite a few caps for them too.3 -
If he was gonna be sacked before the next match I am guessing it would have happened today, when TS is most frustrated. Since he has not been, looks like he has at least one more match to get a win.
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Callumcafc said:
Also when the time comes to appoint the next manager, a selling point of CAFC will be that Thomas gives you time to put things right through an extended bad run of results.MrLargo said:
Whilst I can no longer defend Bowyer's position, I'm absolutely delighted that our new owner isn't trigger happy and doesn't bow to pressure from supporters on social media.Gravesend_Addick said:Doesn't look like he's going does it??
Really can't understand Sandgaard's thinking here
It's very easy to come on here and say that he should sack him immediately, with the hefty payout that entails. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe he's not impressed by any of the available alternatives at the moment. We've almost certainly blown any chance of the play offs and need only 6 or 7 points from our least 15 games to be safe from relegation. Why rush? I'd rather sit through a couple more months of this dross if it means getting a better replacement in the summer, rather than rushing to appoint Cowley or Cook just to gain the short term approval of a proportion of our supporters.Not too many owners will do that these days and I would imagine it can put some of the best candidates off.
Agree 100%Callumcafc said:Can we please remember Bowyer got his new contract when we were a Championship club and that’s why it’ll be inflated? Even so, I imagine it’s towards the lower end of that Championship spectrum.Beforehand he worked for 2 years on relative pennies so it’s not like he’s here to bleed the club dry. Can we kill that sentiment before it takes root please?
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I’ve been told his original contract with ESI was around £700,000 per year. Reduced to around £400,000 with relegation and a notice period of a year. I can’t verify myself as Tahnoon did not post his contract on the inter web.0
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Why on earth are people bothered about what Bowyer gets paid? Witch hunt.10
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£400k a year.3
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I guess its speculation over whether its a reason as to why Sandgaard doesnt want to sack himValley11 said:Why on earth are people bothered about what Bowyer gets paid? Witch hunt.
Eg £1.5m is roughly what he'd have to pay if Bowyer is on something like £700k - £750k with two years left
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Isn’t the amount of money Bowyer or the club can pay a player relevant to his excuses after all we all like to know what the players are on. We effectively pay some of those wages ?0
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That’s my view too @tangoflash. I’m not being wise after the event but I’ve never been convinced by Bowyer. I admire him sticking with it through all the shyte and his loyalty isn’t in question but his tactics, man management and general deportment for want of a better word have left me cold.tangoflash said:My opinion of Bowyers management hasn't changed since our promotion season. Even back then with the players we had, we never seemed convincing in our wins and certainly not entertaining to watch, but he was still in his "probational" period and promotion gave me hope (I still stand by my comment a few weeks ago that we limped our way there). A short honeymoon period in the championship before he was found out. Due to all the shit going on off the pitch, he became almost the messiah to most fans and could do no wrong and I think he himself believed the hype. A new steady ownership should have given him a kickstart to greater things, but instead, strip away the excuses of off the field interruptions and his frailties are there for all to see.Something I read from another poster was that maybe he won't get sacked until the end of the season, as Sandgaard might have someone lined up, but not available until the summer. This might be the case, but I'd still rather see him gone now and get a caretaker in for now1 -
I live in Hong Kong so it's Wednesday for me!DA9 said:
TuesdayChunes said:I wonder if TS is looking at the Wigan game on Wednesday as last chance saloon. They are down the bottom of the form table along with us. He might be thinking a win could be the turn of the tide. May be LB's last game.
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Can't think of many.Chunes said:Can anyone think of a manager who turned a run of form and an unmotivated team like this around? If he is staying, I'd at least like to give myself some hope.
Hassenhuttl turned Southampton around. They looked doomed last season, struggled a bit and lost 9-0 at home to Leicester. Many thought he'd be gone within a few weeks but he turned it round.
Arteta earlier this season, loads of people were saying he should go, many on the notorious AFTV were saying the same. He seems to have turned it round, now they're just 3 points off a Europa league spot.3 -
It doesn’t work like that. He’d probably get one year, but there may also be a formula in the contract.ForeverAddickted said:
I guess its speculation over whether its a reason as to why Sandgaard doesnt want to sack himValley11 said:Why on earth are people bothered about what Bowyer gets paid? Witch hunt.
Eg £1.5m is roughly what he'd have to pay if Bowyer is on something like £700k - £750k with two years left1 -
Hence why the words "Mutual Consent" are always used?Airman Brown said:
It doesn’t work like that. He’d probably get one year.ForeverAddickted said:
I guess its speculation over whether its a reason as to why Sandgaard doesnt want to sack himValley11 said:Why on earth are people bothered about what Bowyer gets paid? Witch hunt.
Eg £1.5m is roughly what he'd have to pay if Bowyer is on something like £700k - £750k with two years left
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Personally think it's entirely relevant. For all the 'he stood by us, let's return the loyalty', it's worth remembering that he's been paid handsomely for it.Callumcafc said:Can we please remember Bowyer got his new contract when we were a Championship club and that’s why it’ll be inflated? Even so, I imagine it’s towards the lower end of that Championship spectrum.Beforehand he worked for 2 years on relative pennies so it’s not like he’s here to bleed the club dry. Can we kill that sentiment before it takes root please?2 -
If he's still in charge for Tuesday's game, I think he'll be here for the rest of the season.
A pretty depressing prospect with the way things are going1 -
Events have a way of overtaking intentions. Of course if we win at Wigan he wins more time.Gravesend_Addick said:If he's still in charge for Tuesday's game, I think he'll be here for the rest of the season.
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I think he'll be here for Tuesdays game because of the lack of turnaround between Sat - Tue gamesGravesend_Addick said:If he's still in charge for Tuesday's game, I think he'll be here for the rest of the season.
A pretty depressing prospect with the way things are going
Although doesnt stop him from putting Jason Euell in temporary charge, unless its not a route he wants to go down0
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