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Has Bowyer lost it?
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noNorthheathAddick said:
Have you heard something...??Redhenry said:is he still manager?0 -
Yeah I did, though with a decent run and stability at the top of the club, he could potentially build something, and was of that feeling until recently. I still give him a pass on the relegation as the club was a massive clusterfuck, and he had his hands tied behind his back from the moment the embargo came in. My concern of late is, and I've mentioned this before, is the manager he's learnt the most from is David O'Leary, all about us when we win, and it's them when we lose.Dazzler21 said:
Did you expect Bowyer to be promotion manager? Or just a caretaker til we found someone better?Rothko said:Cook smacks me as a slightly better Robinson, and not the man you would see taking the club through two promotions.
Just not convinced, sorry about that
Managers can unexpectedly excel so long as they have their players onside and believing in themselves.
Keep telling them they're not good enough or overachieving and they might start to believe it.
On Cook, Wigan went on a run not a lot as we did in Powell's full season in the Championship, which covered multiple problems at the club, a bit like us.
Sandgaard will want someone he can trust to see the project through, he doesn't smack me panic-driven leader of an organisation, so he (with Roddy and Mumford) will be looking at people they believe will deliver two promotions and improve as a manager doing so.0 -
I don’t think there is, Wycombe are well organised but they won’t be a favourite to go straight back up.doronron said:My biggest problem about next season is there seems to be a big gap now in the Championship to div 1,three good teams coming down by the looks of it
Rotherham, a yo-yo club, will be up there but again through being well run not necessarily high in quality.
Coventry are in turmoil off the field as we were.
Birmingham been floating with the idea of league one for years now and would need a big overhaul of the squad.
Sheff Wed I think will get out of it.
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Well I'm speechless. That tells us that TS isn't going to sack Bowyer & I don't understand itMattF said:7 -
Don't think it does, I don't think he's going to say to the press, Thomas has given me x games to turn it round etc etcGravesend_Addick said:
Well I'm speechless. That tells us that TS isn't going to sack Bowyer & I don't understand itMattF said:4 -
You shouldn’t be surprised as I keep saying TS and only TS will decide when enough is enough so there’s no point getting your hopes up. Accept it for the the time being.Gravesend_Addick said:
Well I'm speechless. That tells us that TS isn't going to sack Bowyer & I don't understand itMattF said:It is what it is, maybe try and focus on those players who appear not to give a toss for the shirt and take your frustrations out on them 😉.7 -
You can scrape through games when you have a solid foundation, Lee. Not when you have a giant hole in midfield every game and part of it filled with the fossil of an ancient dinosaur.4
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The moment the playoffs are not mathematically achievable. Thomas I reckon will pull the trigger. It looks good for him in the long run that he backs his manager over us losing our shit on Social Media:)4
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It has got very strange on here regarding Bowyer. Talk suddenly of him being overpaid, talk of him making things up and lying in press conferences, talk of him having no honour and dignity because he doesn't just quit his job when it becomes hard, lots of assumptions being made about his character. I don't remember anything like this kind of discussion happening when we had Robinson or Slade etc, though you could always rely on Roland for a sacking either way. I assume it's because when we don't actually get to go down there and see people in person they become more abstract and it's easier to talk about them without the brakes on. You see it all the time with social media, and I think that's led to the increase in abuse towards Premier League players online in recent months. I wonder if the conversations on here would be a bit different if people were able to go down to The Valley every week and actually see the players and the staff directly. I guess we'll never know.Addick_8 said:
You’re right however, in this situation it is being used to attack him and I don’t think that’s fair.J BLOCK said:
Do me a favour, do you understand how football works? Transfer fee's, contracts etc are often openly discussed by pundits and fans a like.Valley11 said:
Show the bloke some respect ffs. He’s tried his best and is being paid what his contract stipulates. I suspect you weren’t bothered about his salary when Bauer scored at Wembley.J BLOCK said:
Ermmm is this a wind up? Of course the fans are going to have a vested interested in how much resources a failing manager is taking out of the club.Valley11 said:Why on earth are people bothered about what Bowyer gets paid? Witch hunt.If he was a chancer taking money out of the club then fair enough but Bowyer isn’t.
Get a hobby some of you and take a break from Charlton Life now and then.
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The comparison with David O is a very good one, although his critiscm of his players was normally how young they were and still learning. Even David Batty and the like. But your right it was I win, they lose.Rothko said:
Yeah I did, though with a decent run and stability at the top of the club, he could potentially build something, and was of that feeling until recently. I still give him a pass on the relegation as the club was a massive clusterfuck, and he had his hands tied behind his back from the moment the embargo came in. My concern of late is, and I've mentioned this before, is the manager he's learnt the most from is David O'Leary, all about us when we win, and it's them when we lose.Dazzler21 said:
Did you expect Bowyer to be promotion manager? Or just a caretaker til we found someone better?Rothko said:Cook smacks me as a slightly better Robinson, and not the man you would see taking the club through two promotions.
Just not convinced, sorry about that
Managers can unexpectedly excel so long as they have their players onside and believing in themselves.
Keep telling them they're not good enough or overachieving and they might start to believe it.
On Cook, Wigan went on a run not a lot as we did in Powell's full season in the Championship, which covered multiple problems at the club, a bit like us.
Sandgaard will want someone he can trust to see the project through, he doesn't smack me panic-driven leader of an organisation, so he (with Roddy and Mumford) will be looking at people they believe will deliver two promotions and improve as a manager doing so.
Without looking it up the only managers, in the modern era I think think of who have taken a club from tier 3 to the top divison and kept them there for more than 1 season are Howe and Lambert (assuming Sheff United go down). Neither's CV was that impressive before they got that job, in Lambert case since either. Who knows with Howe.
IMO we need to get in the championship and stay there fast. If that's under a drap but functional manager that's fine. Once we are in the championship we can attract better 1st team players, better youth players, better u23s and think about a footballing philosophy, ethos, synergy and all that. You can't do that in the 3rd tier.
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The two CAFC's sticking together. At the current rate on Sunday we could be 7th or 15th.
FUN!
Shrewsbury & Fleetwood will be in touching distance of overtaking us in time for next week.
MORE FUN!
If we don't break our run of form and be 17th at the end of next weekend!1 -
But why don't they care?RedChaser said:
You shouldn’t be surprised as I keep saying TS and only TS will decide when enough is enough so there’s no point getting your hopes up. Accept it for the the time being.Gravesend_Addick said:
Well I'm speechless. That tells us that TS isn't going to sack Bowyer & I don't understand itMattF said:It is what it is, maybe try and focus on those players who appear not to give a toss for the shirt and take your frustrations out on them 😉.
Lee needs to inspire them for the rest of the season if he isn't going to be sacked. He needs to get them onside stop the negativity as it clearly doesn't help. I feel bad for the player who was told he won't play at Wigan, i mean how many managers go up to a player at the end of a game and say your crap and you're not playing the next game, that his a huge confidence blow to whoever it is(Deji i guess). Bowyer doesn't seem to understand empathy and subtlety which is a massive problem when that one of the main parts of a managers job. e.g. Look at how Klopp treats his players, he is very positive towards them.
No one would be too angry if we could see the players were really trying but just aren't good enough, but barely trying like the last few games is just not good enough and that's down to the manager.0 -
JamesSeed said:Out of all the opposition teams this season I thought Doncaster Rovers played the best football. They ripped us apart at the Valley (I was 'lucky' enough to be there) playing nice free flowing well organised football. We were never in with a shout. They seem to have done well all season until their recent dip. Not sure who there manager is, but if he could get us playing the way Donny did I’d be more than happy.A youngish, enthusiastic and progressive L1 manager who could cope in the Championship would be ok by me, it doesn’t have to be a well know name, or an ex Charlton player.
Darren Moore has just left Doncaster Rovers to join Sheffield Wednesday :-(0 -
The character assassination is way over the line.Garrymanilow said:
It has got very strange on here regarding Bowyer. Talk suddenly of him being overpaid, talk of him making things up and lying in press conferences, talk of him having no honour and dignity because he doesn't just quit his job when it becomes hard, lots of assumptions being made about his character. I don't remember anything like this kind of discussion happening when we had Robinson or Slade etc, though you could always rely on Roland for a sacking either way. I assume it's because when we don't actually get to go down there and see people in person they become more abstract and it's easier to talk about them with the brakes on. You see it all the time with social media, and I think that's led to the increase in abuse towards Premier League players online in recent months. I wonder if the conversations on here would be a bit different if people were able to go down to The Valley every week and actually see the players and the staff directly. I guess we'll never know.Addick_8 said:
You’re right however, in this situation it is being used to attack him and I don’t think that’s fair.J BLOCK said:
Do me a favour, do you understand how football works? Transfer fee's, contracts etc are often openly discussed by pundits and fans a like.Valley11 said:
Show the bloke some respect ffs. He’s tried his best and is being paid what his contract stipulates. I suspect you weren’t bothered about his salary when Bauer scored at Wembley.J BLOCK said:
Ermmm is this a wind up? Of course the fans are going to have a vested interested in how much resources a failing manager is taking out of the club.Valley11 said:Why on earth are people bothered about what Bowyer gets paid? Witch hunt.If he was a chancer taking money out of the club then fair enough but Bowyer isn’t.
Get a hobby some of you and take a break from Charlton Life now and then.9 -
Sorry wrong thread added to PPG thread.0
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I do think part of it is everyone watching at home, mostly alone, and then immediately on to CL to let off steam after a disappointing result. Before, people would go to the pub afterwards or at least have to travel home via car/bus/train. Then they’ve calmed down a bit before posting. At the moment, it’s people posting immediately at there most angry and frustrated, which has made some posts on here more and more like Twitter at times.Garrymanilow said:
It has got very strange on here regarding Bowyer. Talk suddenly of him being overpaid, talk of him making things up and lying in press conferences, talk of him having no honour and dignity because he doesn't just quit his job when it becomes hard, lots of assumptions being made about his character. I don't remember anything like this kind of discussion happening when we had Robinson or Slade etc, though you could always rely on Roland for a sacking either way. I assume it's because when we don't actually get to go down there and see people in person they become more abstract and it's easier to talk about them without the brakes on. You see it all the time with social media, and I think that's led to the increase in abuse towards Premier League players online in recent months. I wonder if the conversations on here would be a bit different if people were able to go down to The Valley every week and actually see the players and the staff directly. I guess we'll never know.Addick_8 said:
You’re right however, in this situation it is being used to attack him and I don’t think that’s fair.J BLOCK said:
Do me a favour, do you understand how football works? Transfer fee's, contracts etc are often openly discussed by pundits and fans a like.Valley11 said:
Show the bloke some respect ffs. He’s tried his best and is being paid what his contract stipulates. I suspect you weren’t bothered about his salary when Bauer scored at Wembley.J BLOCK said:
Ermmm is this a wind up? Of course the fans are going to have a vested interested in how much resources a failing manager is taking out of the club.Valley11 said:Why on earth are people bothered about what Bowyer gets paid? Witch hunt.If he was a chancer taking money out of the club then fair enough but Bowyer isn’t.
Get a hobby some of you and take a break from Charlton Life now and then.17 -
Probably nothing, but Chris Parkes was spotted at the training ground early this morning, by my pal. Is this standard for the club secretary to be at the training ground Monday morning?Edit
***Fairly standard then. Can understand why he wants to be out his house as early as possible to be fair...***19 -
he literally lives next door4
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Just read those comments by Bowyer and frankly I’m quite shocked. From reading that it seems to me that LB is actually quite delusional. Performances haven’t been quite what we’ve wanted at times. Wtf. Lee. The results and I might add performances have been absolutely dreadful for months. He’s obviously convinced TS that things are salvageable even this season. I can categorically tell you that they are not. This for me is a worry. If Ged Roddy on a day to day basis and TS with his overview can’t see that something really stinks about the results, performances and attitudes then you have to throw into question just how much they have a scooby about football. I’ve watched enough football and seen enough Charlton sides to recognise when we’re in trouble and we are. I really want us to win tomorrow mainly because I’m more worried about relegation than I am hopeful of some miraculous turn around in fortune. Looks like we’re going to have LB for at least as long as this season so I guess we’ll see just how delusional either Lee or I am.8
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It'll be too late by then. A change should've happened weeks ago, but definitely after Saturday. I can't believe TS is prepared to let the season just fizzle out. So frustratingRothko said:
Don't think it does, I don't think he's going to say to the press, Thomas has given me x games to turn it round etc etcGravesend_Addick said:
Well I'm speechless. That tells us that TS isn't going to sack Bowyer & I don't understand itMattF said:2 -
Oh Lee, this is getting rather tedious and arrogant. My concern is that other Teams, Managers, Players, Refs even are probably thinking the same thing and it's revving them up!
“Look at all the teams at the top. I said to Thomas: ‘Peterborough are top and we went and played them and they weren’t better than us’.
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Yes Lee except the fact that they scored more goals than us and have consistently scored more than they have conceded Lee.mendonca said:Oh Lee, this is getting rather tedious and arrogant. My concern is that other Teams, Managers, Players, Refs even are probably thinking the same thing and it's revving them up!
“Look at all the teams at the top. I said to Thomas: ‘Peterborough are top and we went and played them and they weren’t better than us’.0 -
Turn it on its head Lee. We’ve not been any better than most of the teams below us.4
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Utterly deludedmendonca said:Oh Lee, this is getting rather tedious and arrogant. My concern is that other Teams, Managers, Players, Refs even are probably thinking the same thing and it's revving them up!
“Look at all the teams at the top. I said to Thomas: ‘Peterborough are top and we went and played them and they weren’t better than us’.4 -
So his definition of the other team not being better than us is obvious...we managed to stay in the game for some stretch of time before either shooting ourselves in the foot or being outwitted. If we stop doing that and just score a bit more, we are the better team and winners.
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It's such a shame to see what he's become. I loved Lee, but he's now a deluded fool who spouts so much rubbish.
It's sad to see14 -
I think we are a bit to blame for this mess and for my part I apologise to Thomas. We were jumping up and down, me included, because Southall seemed to be stalling on Bowyer's contract. To mitigate, this was at a time when there was no evidence he was losing it.
Bowyer is a bit to blame, but only if you want to say he is loyal. If not he was merely using the situation to benefit himself which isn't a crime. He knew he had Southall over a barrel. Of course on a professional level, nobody would begrudge Bowyer these wages when earned and playing in one division off the top one, but he isn't performing now and clearly is benefitting more than he should for failure.
Southall is a bit to blame as on top of being a crook, he was a useless chairman and at this time we have later found out that things were certainly not as he wanted us to think. There should have been relegation clauses in the contract that meant we didn't find ourselves in this situation.
The only person who isn't to blame in this mess IMO is Thomas. None of us can call on him to sack Bowyer given the situation. I do think this nonsense that Bowyer is out for anybody but himself has to be put to bed though. He knows he is failing and he knows his driver is money not loyalty.1
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