I think we do need to get clarification on what he was referring to when he mentioned the reason players aren't performing but I didn't invent the explanation.
I did say if that is true rather than it 100% was. What was he referring to as the problem?
Maybe the players want a pay rise now the wage cap is lifted
It's such a shame to see what he's become. I loved Lee, but he's now a deluded fool who spouts so much rubbish.
It's sad to see
It’s only what some people are seeing. I’m seeing people go way over the top.
To be clear, I’m not currently a ‘Bowyer supporter’ and I won’t dispute things are pretty crap at the moment. But what I’m also seeing is akin to how political supporters of the opposition constantly look to debunk, dismiss and demonise everything to do with whoever is the prime minister. I just can’t believe the escalated scale in which every comment decision etc is OTT scrutinised and slated, or viewpoints repetitively repeated.
i get people are unhappy, I get some people want change and I don’t necessarily disagree with any of that. I just don’t understand how he has lost some of you SO much after such difficult, and previously successful periods.
It's insane isn't it. There are people who are suddenly genuinely angry at Bowyer for signing a new contract for the money he was offered in January 2020 ahead of his contract expiring that June. People seem enraged by him not turning up to press conferences and saying 'everything is bad, season's over, everything is my fault', as if any manager has ever done that. People are questioning his character for not just quitting his job outright. Some posters on here are completely unrecognisable from a few months ago. The internet is a weird and dangerous thing when it becomes the only means you have to engage with something.
I don't like the way he has treated players, I know for a fact that at least some players don't like it and I have been consistently against him since discovering these distasteful and damaging behaviours. I have been early to this table and many people have joined me, but I feel my position has been vindicated by what we have seen in terms of results and performances.
Put it this way. I haven't been proven wrong despite wishing to be.
He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.
You don’t seriously think it’s the same do you?
Where, for example, has bowyer ever used a players salary as an attack?
This is all very "convenient" for Lee, apparently all is tika de boo as far as Thomas is concerned and he seems to get what the plan is, well words are cheap and easy to adapt to your own way of thinking. What's to say that maybe Thomas listens but doesn't hear quite as much as Lee might think, i can't see Thomas just saying fair enough Lee, at least you kind of tried.
I attack him for being a poor manager with a lot of evidence to back that up. I think his salary is not something to attack him with, just evidence that he is not the Mr Loyal some would have us believe.
He took Norwich from the 3rd tier to the Premier league, and kept them there
Nigle Atkins got back to back promotions then got sacked at Southampton.
I assume no one would want either of them or seriously thinks we can get Eddie Howe?
The pool of mangers who have taken clubs from the 3rd tier to the Premier league, and kept them there, is so small it might as well not exist.
The manager for next season, be it Bowyer or someone else has got to get us into the championship and keep us there. Then you can think about philosophy and cultures.
I think the main Cowley brother sounds like Pardew. And he's a proper oddball, did you see him on Soccer AM? Even if only walking a few yards he has to out his left arm in his pocket and then does a wierd shuffle.
In the Brazillian league, the saying is any manager is three games away from the sack at all times. I have a feeling this is the stage LB is at now, if we lose tomorrow and Sat that might be the end and surely any playoff hopes will be gone totally.
While the playoffs might be mathematically possible. Realistically they disappeared weeks ago.
All this over analysis of what he says after games , then the over analysis of what the over analysts are over analysing means and how it’s all the internet’s fault we are going crazy and losing rationale, whilst this waffle moves us away from the main subject of how good/bad/indifferent we are under Lee Bowyer at this point in time .
we are fucking shit and underperforming at the wankest levels in our history
and to me he won’t be part of the solution so he’s part of the problem (love a cliche)
You cannot use the same hardline approach with every player, it simply won't work. Some players will need an arm around them, and some will need a rocket up their arse. As a manager, it's your job to work out who needs what, and act accordingly. That's the same in football and any other walk of life.
TS is very sensible. I think he’s definitely aware of the supposed unrest and that there has to be an underlying reason as to why it’s all gone so wrong, but he needs more evidence before deciding to let Bowyer go. Results will definitely play a part in that, because even though he and Lee are speaking at the moment and it would assume Lee is saying we can still make the play offs, the run of defeats continuing will make it harder for Lee’s words to hold any weight
He’s also probably very aware that he’s only 6 months into owning us now. He seems like he’s a positive man who wants things to be given a chance and is a inspirational type leader, so I don’t think we’ll see him pull the trigger just yet. Add to the fact he’ll have the added work of trying to find someone new.
If Bowyer was to go, I would want an outside apt. Jackson or Euell just won’t cut it for me
He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.
He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.
Bowyer continues to say anything to help keep him in a job, the Cawley article today and P'Boro comparison is the biggest bunch of nonsense I've read from him.
I've said it before, and i'll say it again - Bowyer is only in this job because fans aren't in attendance. If they were, it will be toxic cesspit down at the Valley and TS would have no option but to act.
Sorry, personal attacks on players and attacks on fans.
Thing is personal attacks for the players if they are not performing are just that personal, not something you do in public, that way you just cause unease.
He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.
I wouldn't say what Bowyer said was personal, though I am sure some fans took it that way, but it is another example of him looking to deflect blame.
For goodness sake, that’s supposed to be a “personal attack” against fans? We’re just making stuff up to use against him now aren’t we?
I think Bowyer should go because the results have gone against him, our league position isn’t good enough and he doesn’t appear to be able to turn it around.
Sorry, personal attacks on players and attacks on fans.
So many quotes this season, so difficult to remember one week to the next. But did bowyer not immediately come out on the Monday and explain his remarks about what he’d said about the fans. I thought he admitted his expectations were too high for the 2,000 in attendance, he then went on to say how much he adores all the fans.
He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.
“Personal attacks on...fans”? When was that?
It’s where a small comment has been taken and twisted to seem much worse than it is
He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.
I wouldn't say what Bowyer said was personal, though I am sure some fans took it that way, but it is another example of him looking to deflect blame.
For goodness sake, that’s supposed to be a “personal attack” against fans? We’re just making stuff up to use against him now aren’t we?
I think Bowyer should go because the results have gone against him, our league position isn’t good enough and he doesn’t appear to be able to turn it around.
Let’s leave all the other nonsense out.
Wow. Did you not read anything I or even MuttleyCAFC just wrote. It's utterly bemusing to me how quick posters are on here to get outraged and attack others.
I'll run you through what happened:
Muttley said:
'He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.'
You then asked:
'“Personal attacks on...fans”? When was that?'
I then referred to what Muttley was likely talking about, and even said 'I wouldn't say what Bowyer said was personal' - though if you look at the reactions to what was said by fans on this very forum a lot of them took massive exception to this.
Muttley then even went on to say his quote was meant to read as:
'Sorry, personal attacks on players and attacks on fans.'
And then you decided to excuse people of talking nonsense and making stuff up! Which then seems to get a bunch of likes even though no one actually excused Bowyer of making personal attacks on fans,
It’s embarrassing, and more than likely to achieve the opposite in that some fans who are not happy with the current scenario and are open to change are more likely to double down and look to defend Bowyer as they see the completely OTT demonising as being wholly unfair.
Sorry, personal attacks on players and attacks on fans.
So many quotes this season, so difficult to remember one week to the next. But did bowyer not immediately come out on the Monday and explain his remarks about what he’d said about the fans. I thought he admitted his expectations were too high for the 2,000 in attendance, he then went on to say how much he adores all the fans.
And if it was only that in isolation it would be fair enough. But it hasn't been. I know that his attack on Williams did not go down well in the dressing room - J Block has told us that first hand from a player. He said an incredibly nasty thing about not caring about a player's injury amongst hanging out others to dry.
What happens when you do this is you lose the dressing room. From getting attacked for having the temerity to mention it a few months back, it seems a lot are accepting it now. I want him out because I believe he is damaging us. I admit I am angry, but it is because he is still here and still blaming everybody else.
We have gone 8 games in the 3rd tier at home without winning. A 3rd tier which is mediocre compared to when we had Leeds, Southampton and Norwich, when Parky was at the helm.
I was consistently in the Bowyer must be given until the end of season because of the crazy injuries and nonsense going on pre Sandgaard But we are reaching a new nadir every week. I felt it was an end of an era after the Burton game. It's Thomas Sandgaard's choice and if he feels Lee Bowyer can reclaim his mojo then fine but the criticism of Jonny Williams does appear to have had an adverse effect ever since.
No problem with players getting a rocket but keep it in house.
Whether wages or the constant changes in players, formations and the clear lack of any coherent system the players are all playing well below Par. That may be good in Golf but it's poor in football and the buck stops with the manager.
Why are so many players who have either played at a higher level or are loanees from premier clubs struggling at this low level. Millar TBF had played well but even he looked out of salts in last couple of games.
We are consistent; unfortunately consistently poor.
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Put it this way. I haven't been proven wrong despite wishing to be.
What's to say that maybe Thomas listens but doesn't hear quite as much as Lee might think, i can't see Thomas just saying fair enough Lee, at least you kind of tried.
Not for me.
Realistically they disappeared weeks ago.
we are fucking shit and underperforming at the wankest levels in our history
and to me he won’t be part of the solution so he’s part of the problem (love a cliche)
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/thats-wrong-lee-bowyer-rejects-suggestion-charltons-players-have-lost-desire-to-perform-for-him/
You cannot use the same hardline approach with every player, it simply won't work. Some players will need an arm around them, and some will need a rocket up their arse. As a manager, it's your job to work out who needs what, and act accordingly. That's the same in football and any other walk of life.
He’s also probably very aware that he’s only 6 months into owning us now. He seems like he’s a positive man who wants things to be given a chance and is a inspirational type leader, so I don’t think we’ll see him pull the trigger just yet. Add to the fact he’ll have the added work of trying to find someone new.
If Bowyer was to go, I would want an outside apt. Jackson or Euell just won’t cut it for me
I wouldn't say what Bowyer said was personal, though I am sure some fans took it that way, but it is another example of him looking to deflect blame.
Bowyer continues to say anything to help keep him in a job, the Cawley article today and P'Boro comparison is the biggest bunch of nonsense I've read from him.
I've said it before, and i'll say it again - Bowyer is only in this job because fans aren't in attendance. If they were, it will be toxic cesspit down at the Valley and TS would have no option but to act.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/thats-wrong-lee-bowyer-rejects-suggestion-charltons-players-have-lost-desire-to-perform-for-him/
I think Bowyer should go because the results have gone against him, our league position isn’t good enough and he doesn’t appear to be able to turn it around.
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I'll run you through what happened:
Muttley said:
'He can make personal attacks on players and fans and not take any responsibility for it or poor performances and clueless tactics and yet some think that is fine.'
You then asked:
'“Personal attacks on...fans”? When was that?'
I then referred to what Muttley was likely talking about, and even said 'I wouldn't say what Bowyer said was personal' - though if you look at the reactions to what was said by fans on this very forum a lot of them took massive exception to this.
Muttley then even went on to say his quote was meant to read as:
'Sorry, personal attacks on players and attacks on fans.'
And then you decided to excuse people of talking nonsense and making stuff up! Which then seems to get a bunch of likes even though no one actually excused Bowyer of making personal attacks on fans,
Unique.
What happens when you do this is you lose the dressing room. From getting attacked for having the temerity to mention it a few months back, it seems a lot are accepting it now. I want him out because I believe he is damaging us. I admit I am angry, but it is because he is still here and still blaming everybody else.
I was consistently in the Bowyer must be given until the end of season because of the crazy injuries and nonsense going on pre Sandgaard But we are reaching a new nadir every week. I felt it was an end of an era after the Burton game. It's Thomas Sandgaard's choice and if he feels Lee Bowyer can reclaim his mojo then fine but the criticism of Jonny Williams does appear to have had an adverse effect ever since.
No problem with players getting a rocket but keep it in house.
Whether wages or the constant changes in players, formations and the clear lack of any coherent system the players are all playing well below Par. That may be good in Golf but it's poor in football and the buck stops with the manager.
Why are so many players who have either played at a higher level or are loanees from premier clubs struggling at this low level.
Millar TBF had played well but even he looked out of salts in last couple of games.
We are consistent; unfortunately consistently poor.