Bowyer has made punishment subs in the last two games rather than considered tactical ones. For instance, we were losing the midfield yesterday and Washington wasn't getting any joy so DJ off (If Millar didn't have a knock) and an extra midfielder in with Aneke on for Washington.
If it didn't work, there would have been a method and reason to it at least.
After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
Why? How do you come to that conclusion?
Elf’s has admitted his comments are based on blind loyalty to Bowyer. Whilst you have to respect the honesty, you can’t take any of it seriously because he’s not paying £10 a game to watch the shit being served up.
I get that, and while I find it a bit odd, I just don't understand his thought process around Sandgaard principles
If we don't make top 6, Bowyer has failed at the goal given to him by his boss. Sandgaard is well within his rights to sack him at that point.
He's entitled to sack him right now. It's the manner of the results that is so bad. Unfortunately Bowyer is not a manager.
He should just openly apologise to the players. Don't make excuses. Be honest and just admit he hasn't quite been himself recently.
Then resign.
I'd warm to that.
He would then still be an employable football manager in a year or so.
He's learned a lot and has experienced a lot.
It would work out for both sides.
Really hope he just wakes up and does this.
I’m sure Bowyer has “self respect and dignity”, let’s not start calling the mans character into question. Keep it classy.
He has a contract to manage the team, provided he continues to do that (I.e. doesn’t down tools) until he is relieved then that is all that is required. If we want him gone then he should be paid off - that’s the nature of contract based roles.
He should just openly apologise to the players. Don't make excuses. Be honest and just admit he hasn't quite been himself recently.
Then resign.
I'd warm to that.
He would then still be an employable football manager in a year or so.
He's learned a lot and has experienced a lot.
It would work out for both sides.
Really hope he just wakes up and does this.
I’m sure Bowyer has “self respect and dignity”, let’s not start calling the mans character into question. Keep it classy.
He has a contract to manage the team, provided he continues to do that (I.e. doesn’t down tools) until he is relieved then that is all that is required. If we want him gone then he should be paid off - that’s the nature of contract based roles.
Obviously he does have self respect. If he didn't, then he wouldn't be a manager in the 1st place.
I just mean in reference to his recent childish behaviour. Have to correct myself.
Well it's midday on Sunday and I can't but feel TS would have acted by now if he was going to remove LB after yesterday's fiasco. So I assume LB w I'll still be in charge on Tuesday. I'm amazed to be honest.
But the time has come for TS to say something. If he is not going to sack LB he needs to make it clear that LB retains his full support and will be allowed a full rebuild in the summer.
I suspect that today there will be a conference call where TS and LB have a heart to heart. I feel that after this Lee will be safe with support until the end of the season when TS will assess the whole situation. I’m guessing Ged will be tasked with stepping up a search and create a shortlist of possible candidates to approach in the summer. Should Lee walk then I’m of the opinion that a short term caretaker is the right thing to do. We must get any appointment right and that deserves looking further afield than Cowley or Cook. If Lee goes then the summer is the right time to appoint.
I think a short term caretaker from within for the remaining games provides an opportunity to get things stable again at the very least. Whether that is JJ, Euell or even Pearce, that should be for somebody like Roddy to advise on given his closeness to the situation.
Pros Gives him a chance to turn our form around/mend fences with players
Give him a chance to play some younger players to have a good look at them in a real game time environment Allows us to have a long post season/ pre season to enable us to source the right players to buy.
Shows potential signings that the owner wants some kinds of stability at the club.
Cons has lost the dressing the room. players going through the motions as they know they are not likely to be here next season losing becomes a habit the hangover continues into next season.
We lose the chance for a new manager to come in, assess the squad and build their own team for next season.
Toxic atmosphere amongst the fans as well as the team.
Could still fall into relegation battle.
We go through this again next season and another wasted year.
Personally I think the cons outweighs the pros which I why I feel we need to make the move now.
Pros Gives him a chance to turn our form around/mend fences with players
Give him a chance to play some younger players to have a good look at them in a real game time environment Allows us to have a long post season/ pre season to enable us to source the right players to buy.
Shows potential signings that the owner wants some kinds of stability at the club.
Cons has lost the dressing the room. players going through the motions as they know they are not likely to be here next season losing becomes a habit the hangover continues into next season.
We lose the chance for a new manager to come in, assess the squad and build their own team for next season.
Toxic atmosphere amongst the fans as well as the team.
Could still fall into relegation battle.
We go through this again next season and another wasted year.
Personally I think the cons outweighs the pros which I why I feel we need to make the move now.
I think some of those cons remain even if you bring in a new manager. Players will still be out of contract.
Pros Gives him a chance to turn our form around/mend fences with players
Give him a chance to play some younger players to have a good look at them in a real game time environment Allows us to have a long post season/ pre season to enable us to source the right players to buy.
Shows potential signings that the owner wants some kinds of stability at the club.
Cons has lost the dressing the room. players going through the motions as they know they are not likely to be here next season losing becomes a habit the hangover continues into next season.
We lose the chance for a new manager to come in, assess the squad and build their own team for next season.
Toxic atmosphere amongst the fans as well as the team.
Could still fall into relegation battle.
We go through this again next season and another wasted year.
Personally I think the cons outweighs the pros which I why I feel we need to make the move now.
I think some of those cons remain even if you bring in a new manager. Players will still be out of contract.
Also relegation battle is a little far fetched
We need a minimum of 6 points in March else we will be in one. Look at our April fixtures, I don't see us getting much out of them. Can you?
Pros Gives him a chance to turn our form around/mend fences with players
Give him a chance to play some younger players to have a good look at them in a real game time environment Allows us to have a long post season/ pre season to enable us to source the right players to buy.
Shows potential signings that the owner wants some kinds of stability at the club.
Cons has lost the dressing the room. players going through the motions as they know they are not likely to be here next season losing becomes a habit the hangover continues into next season.
We lose the chance for a new manager to come in, assess the squad and build their own team for next season.
Toxic atmosphere amongst the fans as well as the team.
Could still fall into relegation battle.
We go through this again next season and another wasted year.
Personally I think the cons outweighs the pros which I why I feel we need to make the move now.
I think some of those cons remain even if you bring in a new manager. Players will still be out of contract.
Also relegation battle is a little far fetched
Worst form in the league, no sight of a win on the horizon, horrendous run in. We're not too good to get relegated.
Well it's midday on Sunday and I can't but feel TS would have acted by now if he was going to remove LB after yesterday's fiasco. So I assume LB w I'll still be in charge on Tuesday. I'm amazed to be honest.
But the time has come for TS to say something. If he is not going to sack LB he needs to make it clear that LB retains his full support and will be allowed a full rebuild in the summer.
Saying nothing is no longer an
LB will be in charge come start of next season .. the expectations of fans this season. Has been ridiculous to be honest it was always going to be very difficult for us to get promoted this season given our situation at the start of the season ... if we could sneek into play offs and that not out the question in this league it will be one of our biggest achievements .... this season has been a rush , we have been playing catch up since the day TS took over .. yes we had to sign players that were available might not have been the ones we would have chosen given more time and no wage cap but needs must .. some have worked some have not ..
Add this to the whole COVID situation and no crowds which I believe is a massive lift for away teams coming to the valley and a big loss to us ... and I think you see why TS will not be removing LB ... we need a proper pre season and proper time to try and catch up a bit more and without wage cap hopefully we can do that much easier
. You can bemoan how he threw a squad together in a short space of time and those he got were not at the top of his list/didn't have clubs/were untested. But is it really any worse than the squads of Blackpool? Gillingham? Fleetwood? The sides we are struggling to hold a light against? This is still a decent squad. It may not be good enough for automatic promotion but playoffs should have been an achievable goal. I'm afraid it would be a brave man that had faith in Bowyer even being able to attract the kinds of players at the top of his shopping list, such has been his non reticent public displays of personal dissatisfaction with nearly all of them.
Well it's midday on Sunday and I can't but feel TS would have acted by now if he was going to remove LB after yesterday's fiasco. So I assume LB w I'll still be in charge on Tuesday. I'm amazed to be honest.
But the time has come for TS to say something. If he is not going to sack LB he needs to make it clear that LB retains his full support and will be allowed a full rebuild in the summer.
Saying nothing is no longer an
LB will be in charge come start of next season .. the expectations of fans this season. Has been ridiculous to be honest it was always going to be very difficult for us to get promoted this season given our situation at the start of the season ... if we could sneek into play offs and that not out the question in this league it will be one of our biggest achievements .... this season has been a rush , we have been playing catch up since the day TS took over .. yes we had to sign players that were available might not have been the ones we would have chosen given more time and no wage cap but needs must .. some have worked some have not ..
Add this to the whole COVID situation and no crowds which I believe is a massive lift for away teams coming to the valley and a big loss to us ... and I think you see why TS will not be removing LB ... we need a proper pre season and proper time to try and catch up a bit more and without wage cap hopefully we can do that much easier
Hope not. The now clear division between manager and players is a huge concern.
Well it's midday on Sunday and I can't but feel TS would have acted by now if he was going to remove LB after yesterday's fiasco. So I assume LB w I'll still be in charge on Tuesday. I'm amazed to be honest.
But the time has come for TS to say something. If he is not going to sack LB he needs to make it clear that LB retains his full support and will be allowed a full rebuild in the summer.
Saying nothing is no longer an
LB will be in charge come start of next season .. the expectations of fans this season. Has been ridiculous to be honest it was always going to be very difficult for us to get promoted this season given our situation at the start of the season ... if we could sneek into play offs and that not out the question in this league it will be one of our biggest achievements .... this season has been a rush , we have been playing catch up since the day TS took over .. yes we had to sign players that were available might not have been the ones we would have chosen given more time and no wage cap but needs must .. some have worked some have not ..
Add this to the whole COVID situation and no crowds which I believe is a massive lift for away teams coming to the valley and a big loss to us ... and I think you see why TS will not be removing LB ... we need a proper pre season and proper time to try and catch up a bit more and without wage cap hopefully we can do that much easier
But it’s been pointed out on several occasions, what players are going to want to come here and play under a manager that publicly slates his players and constantly changes them??
I do not trust Bowyer to attract the correct players, play them in their correct roles and play a system that will get us results.
That anyone can still support keeping LB on is truly staggering.
There is no evidence whatsoever that he has the necessary skills to turn things around; in fact every week he makes the situation worse with his comments. No wonder his players (apart from a couple of his favourites) hate him - that much is patently obvious. Yesterday was clearly a cry for help from a squad that wants their toxic and negative manager gone.
How can you have a manager that appears to hate most of his players? No wonder they won't play for him.
LB now needs to go as he is actively damaging the club; who would want to send their talented young loan players to us now? He destroys their confidence and makes them worse. Bollocks to that.
Leaving him in post is insane. There is nothing to suggest things will improve; indeed, they will only get worse and the damage done will increase and the work required to put things right will get more and more over time. It was clear three months ago that he had lost the plot. He should have gone then, but I understand TS's reluctance to do so. However, in that three months he has put the final nails in the coffin of our season, meaning we now have more chance of being relegated than promoted. How anyone can defend that is mystifying. Any business going from disaster to disaster would be put in special measures; action would be taken.....but, nothing. Keep destroying the club from the inside, Lee; you've earned the right to be as shit as you please, it seems.
Currently, TS needs to add another five years onto his plan to take us to greatness, because it looks like we'll have to write off next season as well, if he given a new squad of talented players to turn into shit.
In an attempt to try to understand the rationale for believing that keeping him on will lead to a change in our fortunes, I asked for someone, anyone, to tell me what he is actually good at...you know, the skills required to be a good manager; tactics, training, man-management. Still nothing.
That says it all.
So, therefore only reason to support LB is blind loyalty. It is interesting that so many choose the manager over the team that we support, because every day he is still with us he damages our club further and reduces our chances of success.
Well it's midday on Sunday and I can't but feel TS would have acted by now if he was going to remove LB after yesterday's fiasco. So I assume LB w I'll still be in charge on Tuesday. I'm amazed to be honest.
But the time has come for TS to say something. If he is not going to sack LB he needs to make it clear that LB retains his full support and will be allowed a full rebuild in the summer.
Saying nothing is no longer an
LB will be in charge come start of next season .. the expectations of fans this season. Has been ridiculous to be honest it was always going to be very difficult for us to get promoted this season given our situation at the start of the season ... if we could sneek into play offs and that not out the question in this league it will be one of our biggest achievements .... this season has been a rush , we have been playing catch up since the day TS took over .. yes we had to sign players that were available might not have been the ones we would have chosen given more time and no wage cap but needs must .. some have worked some have not ..
Add this to the whole COVID situation and no crowds which I believe is a massive lift for away teams coming to the valley and a big loss to us ... and I think you see why TS will not be removing LB ... we need a proper pre season and proper time to try and catch up a bit more and without wage cap hopefully we can do that much easier
But it’s been pointed out on several occasions, what players are going to want to come here and play under a manager that publicly slates his players and constantly changes them??
I do not trust Bowyer to attract the correct players, play them in their correct roles and play a system that will get us results.
Players will come to us because we'll still be one of the biggest clubs at this level. And now the salary cap has gone you'd assume one of the better payers too.
Players will always back their own ability anyway, i doubt many will think "i'm not signing for Charlton as i might get rotated, i'll go to Accrington and play every game".
After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
Not if he hasn't assured him of such. Being a man of principle is not the same thing as being a fool.
Sandgaard said Bowyer was the man for the job, and he wanted promotion in two seasons.
Well it's midday on Sunday and I can't but feel TS would have acted by now if he was going to remove LB after yesterday's fiasco. So I assume LB w I'll still be in charge on Tuesday. I'm amazed to be honest.
But the time has come for TS to say something. If he is not going to sack LB he needs to make it clear that LB retains his full support and will be allowed a full rebuild in the summer.
Saying nothing is no longer an
LB will be in charge come start of next season .. the expectations of fans this season. Has been ridiculous to be honest it was always going to be very difficult for us to get promoted this season given our situation at the start of the season ... if we could sneek into play offs and that not out the question in this league it will be one of our biggest achievements .... this season has been a rush , we have been playing catch up since the day TS took over .. yes we had to sign players that were available might not have been the ones we would have chosen given more time and no wage cap but needs must .. some have worked some have not ..
Add this to the whole COVID situation and no crowds which I believe is a massive lift for away teams coming to the valley and a big loss to us ... and I think you see why TS will not be removing LB ... we need a proper pre season and proper time to try and catch up a bit more and without wage cap hopefully we can do that much easier
But it’s been pointed out on several occasions, what players are going to want to come here and play under a manager that publicly slates his players and constantly changes them??
I do not trust Bowyer to attract the correct players, play them in their correct roles and play a system that will get us results.
Players will come to us because we'll still be one of the biggest clubs at this level. And now the salary cap has gone you'd assume one of the better payers too.
Players will always back their own ability anyway, i doubt many will think "i'm not signing for Charlton as i might get rotated, i'll go to Accrington and play every game".
As VG rightly said though, hanging players out after a single.mistake might be an issue
After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
Not if he hasn't assured him of such. Being a man of principle is not the same thing as being a fool.
Sandgaard said Bowyer was the man for the job, and he wanted promotion in two seasons.
Doesn’t mean he should stick with Bowyer for the second season just because we didn’t expect to go to up in the first.
You have to have the confidence that he’s the right man for the job. The slagging off of players, the recruitment, team selections and tactics are increasingly showing that just he’s not.
After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
Not if he hasn't assured him of such. Being a man of principle is not the same thing as being a fool.
Sandgaard said Bowyer was the man for the job, and he wanted promotion in two seasons.
Doesn’t mean he should stick with Bowyer for the second season just because we didn’t expect to go to up in the first.
You have to have the confidence that he’s the right man for the job. The slagging off of players, the recruitment, team selections and tactics are increasingly showing that just he’s not.
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If it didn't work, there would have been a method and reason to it at least.
He should just openly apologise to the players. Don't make excuses. Be honest and just admit he hasn't quite been himself recently.
Then resign.
I'd warm to that.
He would then still be an employable football manager in a year or so.
He's learned a lot and has experienced a lot.
It would work out for both sides.
Really hope he just wakes up and does this.
Obviously he does have self respect. If he didn't, then he wouldn't be a manager in the 1st place.
I just mean in reference to his recent childish behaviour. Have to correct myself.
But the time has come for TS to say something. If he is not going to sack LB he needs to make it clear that LB retains his full support and will be allowed a full rebuild in the summer.
Saying nothing is no longer an option.
More "short sighted and intellectually challenged" comment here
I would go as far as saying its very well reasoned and balanced?
Pros
Gives him a chance to turn our form around/mend fences with players
Allows us to have a long post season/ pre season to enable us to source the right players to buy.
has lost the dressing the room.
players going through the motions as they know they are not likely to be here next season
losing becomes a habit the hangover continues into next season.
Also relegation battle is a little far fetched
Add this to the whole COVID situation and no crowds which I believe is a massive lift for away teams coming to the valley and a big loss to us ... and I think you see why TS will not be removing LB ... we need a proper pre season and proper time to try and catch up a bit more and without wage cap hopefully we can do that much easier
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You can bemoan how he threw a squad together in a short space of time and those he got were not at the top of his list/didn't have clubs/were untested.
But is it really any worse than the squads of Blackpool? Gillingham? Fleetwood?
The sides we are struggling to hold a light against?
This is still a decent squad. It may not be good enough for automatic promotion but playoffs should have been an achievable goal.
I'm afraid it would be a brave man that had faith in Bowyer even being able to attract the kinds of players at the top of his shopping list, such has been his non reticent public displays of personal dissatisfaction with nearly all of them.
I do not trust Bowyer to attract the correct players, play them in their correct roles and play a system that will get us results.
There is no evidence whatsoever that he has the necessary skills to turn things around; in fact every week he makes the situation worse with his comments. No wonder his players (apart from a couple of his favourites) hate him - that much is patently obvious. Yesterday was clearly a cry for help from a squad that wants their toxic and negative manager gone.
How can you have a manager that appears to hate most of his players? No wonder they won't play for him.
LB now needs to go as he is actively damaging the club; who would want to send their talented young loan players to us now? He destroys their confidence and makes them worse. Bollocks to that.
Leaving him in post is insane. There is nothing to suggest things will improve; indeed, they will only get worse and the damage done will increase and the work required to put things right will get more and more over time. It was clear three months ago that he had lost the plot. He should have gone then, but I understand TS's reluctance to do so. However, in that three months he has put the final nails in the coffin of our season, meaning we now have more chance of being relegated than promoted. How anyone can defend that is mystifying. Any business going from disaster to disaster would be put in special measures; action would be taken.....but, nothing. Keep destroying the club from the inside, Lee; you've earned the right to be as shit as you please, it seems.
Currently, TS needs to add another five years onto his plan to take us to greatness, because it looks like we'll have to write off next season as well, if he given a new squad of talented players to turn into shit.
In an attempt to try to understand the rationale for believing that keeping him on will lead to a change in our fortunes, I asked for someone, anyone, to tell me what he is actually good at...you know, the skills required to be a good manager; tactics, training, man-management. Still nothing.
That says it all.
So, therefore only reason to support LB is blind loyalty. It is interesting that so many choose the manager over the team that we support, because every day he is still with us he damages our club further and reduces our chances of success.
Absolutely baffling.
Players will always back their own ability anyway, i doubt many will think "i'm not signing for Charlton as i might get rotated, i'll go to Accrington and play every game".