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Has Bowyer lost it?
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We took 2 of Swindon's best players at the end of the window. Their fans were despondent, we joked about Swindon being our feeder team
In February we got 4 points
In February Swindon got 10 points34 -
Respectfully disagree. You don’t go into the last day just accepting what’s going spare. You have to make priorities and then attack them. I think Gallen did this. But my take is Bowyer never saw DCM as an issue. Why would we even bother with Smith? We needed a DCM and a CB. And we got neither. And yet we let Lapslie go. Honestly no point in spending money on Swartz and DJ unless the gaping hole was fixed first.Scoham said:
I don’t think we can be certain about the priorities, it’s a window in which you can’t always get what you want and sometimes late on in the window you sign other players because you need the numbers. I think Matt Smith is an example of that. DJ not so much as we needed another winger, we only have two.AndyHuntUpFront said:But net result is that this has wasted this season. We went out on a limb to buy a right mid. Lost out on the Gills man and then pushed the boat out for DJ. So money was there. We just focused on the wrong priority!1 -
The CBs weren’t injured on 31st December though. I genuinely don’t think Bowyer was that fussed because he’s always mentioned Gunter and Pratley covering thereScoham said:
I don’t think we can be certain about the priorities, it’s a window in which you can’t always get what you want and sometimes late on in the window you sign other players because you need the numbers. I think Matt Smith is an example of that. DJ not so much as we needed another winger, we only have two.AndyHuntUpFront said:But net result is that this has wasted this season. We went out on a limb to buy a right mid. Lost out on the Gills man and then pushed the boat out for DJ. So money was there. We just focused on the wrong priority!0 -
How do you know they didn’t prioritise those positions? Not filling those gaps isn’t proof that they didn’t try. We don’t know who they went for but missed out on.AndyHuntUpFront said:
Respectfully disagree. You don’t go into the last day just accepting what’s going spare. You have to make priorities and then attack them. I think Gallen did this. But my take is Bowyer never saw DCM as an issue. Why would we even bother with Smith? We needed a DCM and a CB. And we got neither. And yet we let Lapslie go. Honestly no point in spending money on Swartz and DJ unless the gaping hole was fixed first.Scoham said:
I don’t think we can be certain about the priorities, it’s a window in which you can’t always get what you want and sometimes late on in the window you sign other players because you need the numbers. I think Matt Smith is an example of that. DJ not so much as we needed another winger, we only have two.AndyHuntUpFront said:But net result is that this has wasted this season. We went out on a limb to buy a right mid. Lost out on the Gills man and then pushed the boat out for DJ. So money was there. We just focused on the wrong priority!
DJ was needed regardless as otherwise we’d only have one winger in a squad that lacks pace. Schwartz more debatable but we didn’t know we’d get Stockley at the time and only had 3 strikers (Smyth was never really a striker).1 -
I suspect recency bias may play a part, but for me the performances/results feel even worse now than they did with Robinson.AFKABartram said:The situation is doing the next incumbent a massive favour. There will be a pick up and they’ll get credit and others will highlight how much Bowyer was holding us back.
Sometimes change and fresh starts are needed, even more so in football. It feels like now is in all parties best interests.
Karl Robinson is in no way a bad football manager, but this feels very much like the time when it was in everyone’s best interests for him to move on.
Conceding an average of 3 goals per home game for about 2 months would be astonishingly bad for a team at the bottom of the Premier League, let alone one aiming for promotion from a dreadful League One.3 -
It was n’t prioritised as we we were actually prepared to let Lapslie go and make the position weaker. There were probably 15 CMs and CHs in our league that would have improved us. Not to mention U23 teams. The point is that the bar set by our two DCMs was so so low that you could have blindfolded yourself and picked any other DCM is the league and they would be an improvement! In fact I’d go as far as saying that you’d probably be able to pick half of DCMs in League 2 and we’d look more mobile!1
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So no one can pinpoint who Bowyer was digging out?Says a lot0
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Yes it does. He does it so regularly we just can’t narrow it down...esseffect said:So no one can pinpoint who Bowyer was digging out?Says a lot13 -
If he called a player out in public just the once, then that is ok. Its an open mistake and football is an emotional sport. He might apologise and be professional. Move on. An open forgivable mistake if it's just the once.
He can't stop doing it now though and he is completely unable to shut up. Why on earth has he gone down this road?
Why has he gone back in time? He was a lot more content, professional and mature a few years ago. Surely the experience is a learning process and you move forward, not backwards. I don't get it.
That's why I assume he is going through a rough patch in his personal private life and he's just far from happy.
The short fuse has came back.
Unfortunately, it sounds like he is now simply, just an asshole.
Quite saddened by it to be honest. It's not who he really is.3 -
Unfortunately it feels like the younger Bowyer re-emerging, rather than the mature version mellowed by age and his fishing lake. Lets face it the younger Bowyer was an assholeDave2l said:If he called a player out in public just the once, then that is ok. Its an open mistake and football is an emotional sport. He might apologise and be professional. Move on. An open forgivable mistake if it's just the once.
He can't stop doing it now though and he is completely unable to shut up. Why on earth has he gone down this road?
Why has he gone back in time? He was a lot more content, professional and mature a few years ago. Surely the experience is a learning process and you move forward, not backwards. I don't get it.
That's why I assume he is going through a rough patch in his personal private life and he's just far from happy.
The short fuse has came back.
Unfortunately, it sounds like he is now simply, just an asshole.
Quite saddened by it to be honest. It's not who he really is.3 - Sponsored links:
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Lapslie was already out on loan and isn’t a DM, he’s thrived at Mansfield in a more attacking CM role. I doubt many League 1 rivals would be letting their first choice DM go in January too easily. Different story in the summer with contracts ending and players being easier to replace.AndyHuntUpFront said:It was n’t prioritised as we we were actually prepared to let Lapslie go and make the position weaker. There were probably 15 CMs and CHs in our league that would have improved us. Not to mention U23 teams. The point is that the bar set by our two DCMs was so so low that you could have blindfolded yourself and picked any other DCM is the league and they would be an improvement! In fact I’d go as far as saying that you’d probably be able to pick half of DCMs in League 2 and we’d look more mobile!1 -
That is the blame culture that he has created. On the one hand he says that "it's down to me" but, in the very next breath he says that it is because of player "x", "y" or "z".esseffect said:So no one can pinpoint who Bowyer was digging out?Says a lot
It's deflection from the root cause of the problem. There's a certain Manager in charge of a north London club who does that too. Which is why he loses so many dressing rooms. Because players become fed up with it. Ferguson would famously give players the hair dryer treatment in the dressing room but, in public, he would blame the Ref, luck, cheating of the opposition or even the colour of the other team's shirts.
But never, in a post match conference, would he single out a player for blame. Because once you do that to "x" this week you have to do it to "y" next. His own "enforcers" within the team are untouchable. Well possibly until he gets sent off for the second time in ten games that is!6 -
Yeah I’m not a fan out him calling out players in public.Addick Addict said:
That is the blame culture that he has created. On the one hand he says that "it's down to me" but, in the very next breath he says that it is because of player "x", "y" or "z".esseffect said:So no one can pinpoint who Bowyer was digging out?Says a lot
It's deflection from the root cause of the problem. There's a certain Manager in charge of a north London club who does that too. Which is why he loses so many dressing rooms. Because players become fed up with it. Ferguson would famously give players the hair dryer treatment in the dressing room but, in public, he would blame the Ref, luck, cheating of the opposition or even the colour of the other team's shirts.
But never, in a post match conference, would he single out a player for blame. Because once you do that to "x" this week you have to do it to "y" next. His own "enforcers" within the team are untouchable. Well possibly until he gets sent off for the second time in ten games that is!However I think we focus on the stuff we want to hear. I hear him blame himself as much as he does everything else.Others just hear him blame players, refs and bizarrely weather.
He clearly wears his heart on his sleeve and just speaks his mind... rightly or wrongly1 -
Yes, for example he defended Roy Keane completely until Keane slagged off teammates in public on Man U TV! Keep it behind closed doors.Addick Addict said:
That is the blame culture that he has created. On the one hand he says that "it's down to me" but, in the very next breath he says that it is because of player "x", "y" or "z".esseffect said:So no one can pinpoint who Bowyer was digging out?Says a lot
It's deflection from the root cause of the problem. There's a certain Manager in charge of a north London club who does that too. Which is why he loses so many dressing rooms. Because players become fed up with it. Ferguson would famously give players the hair dryer treatment in the dressing room but, in public, he would blame the Ref, luck, cheating of the opposition or even the colour of the other team's shirts.
But never, in a post match conference, would he single out a player for blame. Because once you do that to "x" this week you have to do it to "y" next. His own "enforcers" within the team are untouchable. Well possibly until he gets sent off for the second time in ten games that is!
Fergie also had really "aggressive" body language, looking like he would nut a journalist who suggested Man U were a bit rubbish! By contrast Bowyer has looked and sounded beaten and whiney before and after today's game
You can imagine Fergie storming across the pitch to Minto, bemoaning the state of refereeing, how his players were brilliant and deserved so much more etc. But then Fergie wouldn't have made so many changes to personnel, or swapped 4 players at half time1 -
Have seen a couple of posts critical of the January signings, we can all see we needed a Centre Back and an energetic CDM but instead we got Ronnie.
Does anyone now think that this wasn’t a Bows signing and was forced upon by Thomas? - a vanity signing if you will to strengthen the Danish links?
Either way he’s been a complete did and maybe it’s the reason we then couldn’t get another defender in during the window? He cost £300k and decent wages I’m sure and he’s offers absolutely nothing0 -
ITS TIME TO GO
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Sorry to say it, but it's time to for LB to go, we need someone with a deep bank of experience, a history of success, how about the block in the executive box who is in love with us?
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I think he accumulated enough prior to coming back to us.AndyHuntUpFront said:
What do you think he does not need financial security? I honestly think he won’t get another football job after this. He only got a chance with us due to playing for us. I hope he gets a full pay off. Yes he’s sounding like an idiot now but on our darkest days he was someone that we could rally behind. That Wembley song now seems a long time ago.....ElfsborgAddick said:
Footballers professional dignity goes no further than their monthly pay cheque.Dave2l said:I hope he's not the general tosser, one dimensional dressing room bully that his post match comments suggest.
That's not who he is.
He no longer has the understanding emotional connection to players. He's lost all patience and can't stand the fact that he has no direct control.
Which means it is now simply just about him...and how great he apparently thinks he is.
Bowyer is not a villain, but he definitely has lost it. It's just rather sad. He's lost the dressing room and lost professional dignity.
I suggest everyone gives this thread a light break. The digital age/Charlton being shit... has rather boring soul destroying internal dire consequences.
Logging off.
I'd suggest Bowyer does not need the dough and cares for the future of Charlton.0 -
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How many games you watched this season again?ElfsborgAddick said:
C The players could not give a s***, Bowyer does.Dazzler21 said:So what's the concensus?
Is the issue:
A - Bowyer has lost the dressing room as suggested by a player to J Block
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B - ThE PlAyErS ArEn'T gOoD eNoUgH.
Out them and replace in the summer and 'do a Powell' next season.5 -
Officially no, in the main.se9addick said:
Managers don’t get sacked?ElfsborgAddick said:
In this country that does not happen.NapaAddick said:I think he actually WILL be sacked.0 - Sponsored links:
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It’s gotten sooooo bad I’d take yesterday’s ref as the manager rather than Bowyer atm13
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He was signed at the beginning of the window. We then signed more players including DJ for a fee. That suggests to me that it wasn’t a case of Ronnie or someone elseMaccn05 said:Have seen a couple of posts critical of the January signings, we can all see we needed a Centre Back and an energetic CDM but instead we got Ronnie.
Does anyone now think that this wasn’t a Bows signing and was forced upon by Thomas? - a vanity signing if you will to strengthen the Danish links?
Either way he’s been a complete did and maybe it’s the reason we then couldn’t get another defender in during the window? He cost £300k and decent wages I’m sure and he’s offers absolutely nothing1 -
He has gone full 3rd season Jose, no one should ever go 3rd season Jose.22
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I’m not sure about that - there are lots of “mutual consent” type things, but managers definitely get sacked in this country.ElfsborgAddick said:
Officially no, in the main.se9addick said:
Managers don’t get sacked?ElfsborgAddick said:
In this country that does not happen.NapaAddick said:I think he actually WILL be sacked.0 -
“Killing the club”cafcsinger said:I don’t see how he survives, Bowyer is killing the club - so sad to see as 18 months ago i thought he could do no wrong. Needs a break away from football imo. Sigh, fed up with all Charlton at the moment
Come on, let’s not be hysterical. He should probably go now, but don’t forget we’ve seen what someone actually killing the club looks like in the not too distant past.22 -
In surprised more has not been made of this. Bowyers general make up and demeanour as a player really does not suggest a manager to take us to the next level. Even compared to other managers we have had like Lennie, Curbs, even Powell ffs. Would either of them have abused restaurant staff, fought their own players, be consistently caught up in racism incidents (that has been very much brushed under the carpet in recent times)...... Yes in the past, but I have always thought that he won’t command the respect of the next wave of Kinsellas, Bents, Mendoncas, Hunts etc. And there would be ZERO chance if his influence turning round an enigmatic undoubted talent like Maddison.killerandflash said:
Unfortunately it feels like the younger Bowyer re-emerging, rather than the mature version mellowed by age and his fishing lake. Lets face it the younger Bowyer was an assholeDave2l said:If he called a player out in public just the once, then that is ok. Its an open mistake and football is an emotional sport. He might apologise and be professional. Move on. An open forgivable mistake if it's just the once.
He can't stop doing it now though and he is completely unable to shut up. Why on earth has he gone down this road?
Why has he gone back in time? He was a lot more content, professional and mature a few years ago. Surely the experience is a learning process and you move forward, not backwards. I don't get it.
That's why I assume he is going through a rough patch in his personal private life and he's just far from happy.
The short fuse has came back.
Unfortunately, it sounds like he is now simply, just an asshole.
Quite saddened by it to be honest. It's not who he really is.
Its just not gonna work.3 -
Careful now. I think you’ll find you’re not allowed to say that on here.DamoNorthStand said:
In surprised more has not been made of this. Bowyers general make up and demeanour as a player really does not suggest a manager to take us to the next level. Even compared to other managers we have had like Lennie, Curbs, even Powell ffs. Would either of them have abused restaurant staff, fought their own players, be consistently caught up in racism incidents (that has been very much brushed under the carpet in recent times)...... Yes in the past, but I have always thought that he won’t command the respect of the next wave of Kinsellas, Bents, Mendoncas, Hunts etc. And there would be ZERO chance if his influence turning round an enigmatic undoubted talent like Maddison.killerandflash said:
Unfortunately it feels like the younger Bowyer re-emerging, rather than the mature version mellowed by age and his fishing lake. Lets face it the younger Bowyer was an assholeDave2l said:If he called a player out in public just the once, then that is ok. Its an open mistake and football is an emotional sport. He might apologise and be professional. Move on. An open forgivable mistake if it's just the once.
He can't stop doing it now though and he is completely unable to shut up. Why on earth has he gone down this road?
Why has he gone back in time? He was a lot more content, professional and mature a few years ago. Surely the experience is a learning process and you move forward, not backwards. I don't get it.
That's why I assume he is going through a rough patch in his personal private life and he's just far from happy.
The short fuse has came back.
Unfortunately, it sounds like he is now simply, just an asshole.
Quite saddened by it to be honest. It's not who he really is.
Its just not gonna work.0 -
Just to stress I am not saying any of that has happened now - it is more that managers in the game who are influencing younger players will naturally have the younger players looking at them for an example.
Lee Bowyer now is more likely to go carp fishing after a game than fight his team mate but if he’s telling a character like Maddison to be more professional ..... what if Maddison (who’s not the sharpest tool himself) looks back on the conduct over the years if Mr L Bowyer.
I thought for ages Bowyer needed a Curbs / Powell like character to make it work in the long run but it’s too late now2 -
Just watching the post-match interview on Valley Pass and LB says: "The players I have in that dressing room are underachieving. One hundred percent." I'm so confused. He said 'over' last time.12
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Yea i was rhinkng about that from your earlier post. It would be very easy for players to fire shots at Bowyer after being criticised. I can’t watch his post match interviews either he really lacks decorum.DamoNorthStand said:Just to stress I am not saying any of that has happened now - it is more that managers in the game who are influencing younger players will naturally have the younger players looking at them for an example.
Lee Bowyer now is more likely to go carp fishing after a game than fight his team mate but if he’s telling a character like Maddison to be more professional ..... what if Maddison (who’s not the sharpest tool himself) looks back on the conduct over the years if Mr L Bowyer.
I thought for ages Bowyer needed a Curbs / Powell like character to make it work in the long run but it’s too late now
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