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Post-match Thread: Peterborough v Charlton Athletic | Tue 19 Jan 2021
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Good points. But think last season was fair enough. An absolute car crash club and a treatment room full to the brim.Croydon said:
I don't disagree with you, but we slipped from upper mid table to relegation without much panic, because we always had players to come back. Are we guaranteed we'll get the Inniss/Famewo partnership back this season? No.Garrymanilow said:
Our players never returned. We lost our most important player in Conor Gallagher in January and then our best striker refused to play out the rest of the season. Even then, in a season where survival was our only aim because of our squad put together out of free transfers and loans, we went down via a last minute goal when a team in the Play-Offs shat themselves against Barnsley. When we were talking about how we'd be fine when our best players returned I don't think any of us envisioned a final day front two of Davison and Bonne.Croydon said:We spent all of last season saying we'd be fine when players return. How did that play out?
My point is, we had so many games being labelled as 'free hits' last year, due to a long injury list, that we never addressed the poor performances. I think we're guilty of doing the same thing this season.
"We'll be better when xxxx is back", why don't we focus on getting better without them?
I agree this season though.1 -
I thought we looked comfortable until the first mistake, we should've seen it out really. Promotion chasing sides don't make those mistakes.
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This is the problem with social media that we have to deal with now. Just because he was very vocal and answering every single tweet, and private message while he was trying to take over and for a while after he took over, people seem to want constant updates on behind the scenes of the club.CheshireAddick said:
I've said before that Stangaard is very quiet on the external communications front at the moment. I just wonder what is going on that we are not privy too ?Scoham said:I don’t understand how being quiet on Twitter makes people wonder things. Just let Sandgaard and his new team get on with things.8 -
Don't forget Bowyer in his post match interview, said he was looking for a CB.Red_Chester said:With the pitch we were coping with it with the players we had on. It takes ages to adjust coming on. However, I don’t want to see Pearce play again anytime soon. It actually embarrassing how he lets the ball bounce. I feel like it’s the end of our season. Too many teams around us with games in hand. Such a shame as the standard this year in the league is so poor.
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Should have played for IpswichStig said:
Massey. Known for his agricultural work in muddy fields.ElfsborgAddick said:
Who was his dad?king addick said:
Cant stand Darren Ferguson..piggy backed off his old mans name to forge a career.Scoham said:
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Okay, Barnsley got lucky with a 95th minute breakaway, immediately after the opposition had just hit the post - in both their last 2 games.killerandflash said:We also got relegated last season as the other promoted teams Luton and Barnsley got some ridiculous results at the end of the season
In the last 9 games we got a reasonable 9 points
Barnsley got 15, with the gods on their side as they beat Forest and Brentford with injury time winners as their opponents chased the 3 points
Luton got 16. Indeed Luton lost only 1 of their last 12 matches.
But nobody got luckier than Luton on that last day.
They won 3-2 ........ but Blackburn gave them 2 own goals; the ref gifted them a non-penalty ..... and the player taking it slipped over and totally mis-kicked but flukily, somehow it still went in just under the bar.
It must have been written in the stars that Charlton were to be relegated!
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Nobody gets relegated based on the last day though. We would have been safe had we beaten Birmingham or Hull.Oggy Red said:
Okay, Barnsley got lucky with a 95th minute breakaway, immediately after the opposition had just hit the post - in both their last 2 games.killerandflash said:We also got relegated last season as the other promoted teams Luton and Barnsley got some ridiculous results at the end of the season
In the last 9 games we got a reasonable 9 points
Barnsley got 15, with the gods on their side as they beat Forest and Brentford with injury time winners as their opponents chased the 3 points
Luton got 16. Indeed Luton lost only 1 of their last 12 matches.
But nobody got luckier than Luton on that last day.
They won 3-2 ........ but Blackburn gave them 2 own goals; the ref gifted them a non-penalty ..... and the player taking it slipped over and totally mis-kicked but flukily, somehow it still went in just under the bar.
It must have been written in the stars that Charlton were to be relegated!1 -
The home loss to Reading grates me the most out of them lockdown games.
They were shite last season and we didn't give enough in that game.
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Same reason but the two stand outs for me were Sheff Wednesday and Birmingham away.6
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What annoys me most in that game was the Aneke goal and Forster-Caskey ignored penaltyCharltonparklane said:The home loss to Reading grates me the most out of them lockdown games.
They were shite last season and we didn't give enough in that game.
We didnt test them enough compared to other games, but those two things ignored by the ref... Oh my days!!0 -
In terms of Pearce. I think it would need a bit of an autopsy to decide whether he was to blame for the first, whether it was Deji or a combination of both. I would add that as captain and the experienced partner, he has a greater responsibility to take control of the situation, but it isn't clear.
What is clearer is that he dragged a player back first half and got off lightly and did similar in the second half when the ref didn't even give a free kick. It is clear that at the moment, and it could be that he isn't up to speed following his injury, he is the weak link in the chain and an accident waiting to happen.2 -
People blame Pearce for every goal being conceded at present......if he’s anywhere within10 yards of the ball!
Ridiculous.....the first wasn’t exactly a mistake by him just an unfortunate mix up between two players.
The second, there was absolutely nowt he could have done.1 -
Yes defensive errors cost us the game, however there were still opportunities to score but, dubious penalty apart,I can’t remember the opposition goalkeeper having to make a save.Bogle was woeful and Washington not much better,constantly making the wrong decision.However the 2 replacements were no better.
At the other end of the pitch, every time there is an opposition attack, you feel a goal is coming.We can’t just pin hopes on 2 returning centre backs but have to face up to the fact that this squad is not good enough even in a poor league.
Why not try some of the younger players like Barker and Davison and clear out the deadwood Gunter,Pearce,Williams,Gilbey,Watson,Bogle, Washington , if not now at the end of the season.0 -
I don't know whether his legs have gone or whether he's struggling after his injury absence, but as you noticed it's clear that he's having to grapple more and more to try and deal with attackersMuttleyCAFC said:In terms of Pearce. I think it would need a bit of an autopsy to decide whether he was to blame for the first, whether it was Deji or a combination of both. I would add that as captain and the experienced partner, he has a greater responsibility to take control of the situation, but it isn't clear.
What is clearer is that he dragged a player back first half and got off lightly and did similar in the second half when the ref didn't even give a free kick. It is clear that at the moment, and it could be that he isn't up to speed following his injury, he is the weak link in the chain and an accident waiting to happen.1 -
It wasn't a dubious penalty, just a stupid one to give away. It was clear he was pulling on Pearce's shirt.9
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Agree on the second but don't think it's fair to say people are unnecessarily blaming Pearce. He played a massive part for the first. For me, he looks even slower than normal and just not good enough.SoundAsa£ said:People blame Pearce for every goal being conceded at present......if he’s anywhere within10 yards of the ball!
Ridiculous.....the first wasn’t exactly a mistake by him just an unfortunate mix up between two players.
The second, there was absolutely nowt he could have done.0 -
No, of course not ..... but that wasn't my point in response to the previous post, discussing the incredible fortune both Luton and Barnsley got in their last couple of games.cafcfan1990 said:
Nobody gets relegated based on the last day though. We would have been safe had we beaten Birmingham or Hull.Oggy Red said:
Okay, Barnsley got lucky with a 95th minute breakaway, immediately after the opposition had just hit the post - in both their last 2 games.killerandflash said:We also got relegated last season as the other promoted teams Luton and Barnsley got some ridiculous results at the end of the season
In the last 9 games we got a reasonable 9 points
Barnsley got 15, with the gods on their side as they beat Forest and Brentford with injury time winners as their opponents chased the 3 points
Luton got 16. Indeed Luton lost only 1 of their last 12 matches.
But nobody got luckier than Luton on that last day.
They won 3-2 ........ but Blackburn gave them 2 own goals; the ref gifted them a non-penalty ..... and the player taking it slipped over and totally mis-kicked but flukily, somehow it still went in just under the bar.
It must have been written in the stars that Charlton were to be relegated!
But it had been in our hands. I agree, we would have been already safe otherwise.
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With the second, some are saying he was too high up the pitch, but they are forgetting Shinnie played them in. We were not defending an attack.0
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Dubious penalty......WTF.......he clearly had his shirt pulled, no if’s or but’s.sandlerr001 said:Yes defensive errors cost us the game, however there were still opportunities to score but, dubious penalty apart,I can’t remember the opposition goalkeeper having to make a save.Bogle was woeful and Washington not much better,constantly making the wrong decision.However the 2 replacements were no better.
At the other end of the pitch, every time there is an opposition attack, you feel a goal is coming.We can’t just pin hopes on 2 returning centre backs but have to face up to the fact that this squad is not good enough even in a poor league.
Why not try some of the younger players like Barker and Davison and clear out the deadwood Gunter,Pearce,Williams,Gilbey,Watson,Bogle, Washington , if not now at the end of the season.
It matters not how much he was held back or impeded but that his shirt WAS pulled at all.
Penalty.........no question whatsoever as both Curbs and Scotty confirmed without a second thought.1 - Sponsored links:
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Also agree re the second goal, nothing anyone could have done after Shinnies attemptedcafcfan1990 said:
Agree on the second but don't think it's fair to say people are unnecessarily blaming Pearce. He played a massive part for the first. For me, he looks even slower than normal and just not good enough.SoundAsa£ said:People blame Pearce for every goal being conceded at present......if he’s anywhere within10 yards of the ball!
Ridiculous.....the first wasn’t exactly a mistake by him just an unfortunate mix up between two players.
The second, there was absolutely nowt he could have done.
pass back didn't have the legs, however the blame for the first goal has to be shared between
Deji and Pierce, after the bounce fell just short of them, they both went for the same ball leaving
their guy free on goal, Pierce has certainly lost his pace, so, asap please Akin and Ryan
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Exactly, Muttley.MuttleyCAFC said:It wasn't a dubious penalty, just a stupid one to give away. I was clear he was pulling on Pearce's shirt.
If the same incident had happened anywhere else on the pitch, it would have been a free kick.
So in the box, it had to be a penalty.
Nothing dubious. Just a needless penalty for the defender to stupidly give away.
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cafcfan1990 said:
Agree on the second but don't think it's fair to say people are unnecessarily blaming Pearce. He played a massive part for the first. For me, he looks even slower than normal and just not good enough.SoundAsa£ said:People blame Pearce for every goal being conceded at present......if he’s anywhere within10 yards of the ball!
Ridiculous.....the first wasn’t exactly a mistake by him just an unfortunate mix up between two players.
The second, there was absolutely nowt he could have done.I remain gobsmacked that most people seem to think the sun shines out of Oshilaja's XXXX. As I have said on here so many times, he has at least 1 very bad mistake in him every single match which we can't afford. I dread him coming in for a tackle or trying to play hospital balls at the back and yet I seem to be alone in my criticism of him. If I had the time, I'd pull together a montage of his atrocious defending - starting at the back end of last season - to prove my point. Fine, carry on playing him if I'm in the wrong. Don't expect us to win many games this season though. Certainly, any half-decent attacking teams will have a field day with him in our central defence. I'm done watching the live streams whilst this bad patch continues. My poor wife is sick of my depression after watching us throw away victory after victory.
I wish that I could care less, but I can't help it. 42 years of disappointment after disappointment hurts. As AFKABartram said yesterday, I genuinely feel like our club is cursed given all the crap and unfortunate timings (e.g. the wage cap when we have a minted owner for once) that seem to come in waves throughout the years.
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What you on about? I never said Oshilaja wasn't to blame too. This one very bad mistake "every single match", where's it been recently? He's probably been our best player over the last few weeks. You have a pop at people for thinking the "sun shines" out of his arse but you are completely ignoring the fact you've made your opinion on him. Unbelievably hypocritical.meldrew66 said:
I remain gobsmacked that most people seem to think the sun shines out of Oshilaja's XXXX. As I have said on here so many times, he has at least 1 very bad mistake in him every single match which we can't afford. I dread him coming in for a tackle or trying to play hospital balls at the back and yet I seem to be alone in my criticism of him. If I had the time, I'd pull together a montage of his atrocious defending - starting at the back end of last season - to prove my point. Fine, carry on playing him if I'm in the wrong. Don't expect us to win many games this season though. Certainly, any half-decent attacking teams will have a field day with him in our central defence. I'm done watching the live streams whilst this bad patch continues. My poor wife is sick of my depression after watching us throw away victory after victory.cafcfan1990 said:
Agree on the second but don't think it's fair to say people are unnecessarily blaming Pearce. He played a massive part for the first. For me, he looks even slower than normal and just not good enough.SoundAsa£ said:People blame Pearce for every goal being conceded at present......if he’s anywhere within10 yards of the ball!
Ridiculous.....the first wasn’t exactly a mistake by him just an unfortunate mix up between two players.
The second, there was absolutely nowt he could have done.
For what it's worth, I don't think he's good enough to play regularly in a promotion winning team. As a 3rd/4th choice CB, I think he's fine. It's not his fault that Inniss and Famewo are injured, but generally speaking he's taken his chance the last few weeks.5 -
Maybe I will make that montage then - you seem oblivious. Maybe you don't watch many of the streams then? He's league 2 at best.
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All of them. Oblivious to what? Where was his really bad mistake against Rochdale or Bristol Rovers?meldrew66 said:Maybe I will make that montage then - you seem oblivious. Maybe you don't watch many of the streams then?1 -
Aneke went off cleaner than when he came on how the fuck dose that happen on that pitch he was bad Pearce smith Gunter shit let’s get real were not good in a shit league. If we don’t beat Swindon his got to go.2
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meldrew66 said: Type your commentmeldrew66 said:My heart sank when I saw that Oshilaja was starting yesterday. For me, he is always a fatal mistake waiting to happen. I blamed him for us losing vital points due to predictable but unforgivable mistakes in a couple of the final games last season. For me, he is a liability that we can’t afford. Others on here don’t seem to see his errors, poor decision making, rash tackles, panicked clearances and terrible distribution.
That was your comment on 9th Jan. Like I said, you've made your mind up on him and now he's just your scapegoat. He did make a mistake last night yes (although I would put 60% of the blame on Pearce) but he's been very good recently. Like 99% of our fans, I wouldn't be putting him above Inniss or Famewo but on the evidence I've witnessed he's a half decent League 1 defender. I'd have no concern with him playing 10-15 games a season.
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I think others have seen his mistakes but also think he can improve. He is currently our third best CH and ideally he is sitting on the bench but failing that he has our first or second best playing next to him.
Against Bristol Rovers, his last ditch block saved us two points.2
